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Halo: Reach |OT7| What are They to Say Now?
- Thread starter The Librarian
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It's not just the removal of ranks, it's that skill matching has taken such a backseat to the whole experience. When was the last time you had a truly close match? Normally, the team I roll with completely destroys people who should very obviously not be matched against us, or we get matched against a super hardcore full team that destroys us. The middle ground (for us, at least) is completely gone with the way that Reach matches players, or with the population issues.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
This isnt going anyway is it :lol, i mean we have different views on this and i see where your coming from i just think for the casuals that some form of in game privacy should exist without having to lock down your profile via the 360 menus.
Agree to disagree?
Speaking of Halo 4, what remakes would GAF like?
I've said it since day 1 of this game, there really is no middle ground. You're either going to destroy the other team, or they're going to destroy you. I could probably count the close games on one hand I've hand in this game. It's a weird thing, but I find it to be true for the most part in my play time.
Where as in 2-3, I had a ton of matches that would literally go down to the last kill/objective cap.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I agree with this, as far as close games go its normally only ever a full party and even then its very rare.
Valhalla would be enough to satisfy my needs. And I know I'm in the minority, but a third iteration of Last Resort would also be welcome.
this guy's got it.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Some kind of Coag/Valhalla Mix with the 3 different base types as large forge structures would be cool.
Id love another Last Resort, i liked both of them
I agree with this to some degree a large map count with a few remakes and alot of new maps would be the best of both worlds i think. I mean some halo maps have got classic status and deserve to be in every halo game as far as im concered. On the other had if the majority of maps are remakes im going to get pretty bored pretty quickly.
Tried and tested maps that are for the most part always fan favorites are always nice.
Gabotron ES
Member
Sandtrap, so much BTB memories on that map. Vehicular combat was wonderful on that map, and the Elephants... I miss them.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I also want no remakes. No Blood Gulch, no Lockout, no Zanzibar, none of 'em. Make new awesome maps, the kinds people will request for remakes years from now.
That's why I would like to see a level too. Gives a better picture. The win loss can show just how many games they've won or lost. Maybe they could show the win/loss on each level they've achieved.
Devolution
Member
Shitty quicker matchmaking and TOO many playlists will do that.
Interesting thought, but fans love remakes too much. Perhaps all original maps at launch and throw in some remake DLC further down the road.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Really if forge gets a decent overhaul and builds on what we have currently then remakes shouldnt be in the initial map count leave it to the community to do them.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Big Team Slayer Wraiths, SMG starts
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StalkerUKCG
Banned
Halo 2 Dual SMG's raped wraiths, seriously owned them.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Valhalla, The Pit, Waterworks, Beaver Creek, Midship.
Those are pretty much must-have for me. There's many others I'd love to see make a return. I flirted with the idea of "no remakes in H4" for a while, but no, there's way too many maps I'd hate to see dropped. If they're dropped in H4, I want to see them return with Halo 5 and the Xbox 720.
I'm going to try to exclude things that have already been remade this generation, but there is some overlap.StalkerUKCG said:
From Halo 1: A third stab at Chill Out. Map has crazy potential for Doubles and asymmetric Objective, too bad Cold Storage was tied to Legendary maps in terms of map integration. Otherwise, I guess maybe a try at making Rat Race truly great. It's got some neat ideas but spawns killed the Team Classic version.
From 2: Terminal, Turf, Burial Mounds, Colossus, Lockout, Relic, Waterworks, and an actual Zanzibar remake instead of the Last Resort abomination. The game has a ton of unsung classics that were overshadowed by the rest of the amazing lineup, so dig deep into its lineup.
From 3: The Pit, Standoff minus any sort of laser-like weapon, maybe a rethought Ghost Town. I honestly think Valhalla is one of the most overrated maps in the series, but it's not bad, so sure, I guess go for it.
We don't even know how the game will play, those maps could be completely terrible for whatever they have cooking for what we know. As awesome as the Beaver Creek remake is, the jump height doesn't allow it to play like the BC I loved in Halo 2.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Lets be honest, 2 disc's at this point would be the best option. Increased graphical fidelity!
Let single player be as big as it needs to be without disc size as a limitation, similarly allow multiplayer to have a high map count
KidA Seven
Member
The only map that should be remade is Midship because it works well with many gametypes. That would be my one and only pick. Of course, the way the game plays should be the deciding factor on whether the map deserves its place.
I think it's pretty safe to assume it won't play like Reach lol
But you're right, although remakes are obviously going to be reworked anyway, they would surely accomodate the map with any changes necessary based on jump height changes/new equipment/etc. You don't have to ctrl-c ctrl-v a map to bring the spirit of the gameplay back.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Believe it or not some of us like campaign
KidA Seven
Member
ElRenoRaven
Member
Oops. I still stand by that. Maybe his real name is Sam Beckett and he's leaping through time.
Um yea. Fuck off with that shit. Because you don't like the Halo campaigns don't mean everyone else hates them. In fact if they did something that goddamn stupid I'd tell 343 exactly what they could do which would be to go fuck themselves. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be alone in that too. I'd bet you most of the Halo fans would.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the nerds.
Campaign is a temporary annoyance, multiplayer is the Halo brand. Multiplayer pays the bills, 343, don't forget that shit like Bungie did.
Hydranockz
Member
ViewtifulJC
Banned
nerds blasting other nerds for their likes and dislikes, what has Halo-GAF come to
Bregmann Roche
Member
I used to be in the "remakes please" camp, but the more I think about it the more I agree with Ramirez. At least with Halo 4 it's probably better for 343 to put their stamp on MP. They've already payed homage to what came before them with Anniversary and the MP maps on that disc.
With a Forge that has more options for changing the visuals of a map I could see the community doing a good enough job with serviceable remakes. And of course if 343 wants to make a radical "re-imagining" based on an old map as opposed to a pixel perfect remake then I would support that. Valhalla isn't really a Blood Gulch remake but it's the same family tree and if they wanted to do a similar "next generation" of a map in Halo 4 I'd be interested.
With a Forge that has more options for changing the visuals of a map I could see the community doing a good enough job with serviceable remakes. And of course if 343 wants to make a radical "re-imagining" based on an old map as opposed to a pixel perfect remake then I would support that. Valhalla isn't really a Blood Gulch remake but it's the same family tree and if they wanted to do a similar "next generation" of a map in Halo 4 I'd be interested.
I hope you're joking.
I think they've gotten too carried away with the campaign stuff. Too much focus on Halo lore and not as much on competitive multiplayer. Btw, H4 should just be all remakes.
Halo CE: Sidewinder (or Avalanche)
Halo 2: Coagulation, Lockout, Waterworks, Colossus, Terminal, Turf, Midship, Containment, Beaver Creek, Sanctuary, Headlong, Relic, Burial Mounds
Halo 3: The Pit
15 maps right there. If you have to have a Reach map in there it's either Powerhouse or Swordbase.
I don't want to even see 343 try to attempt making original maps. Why? I want a Halo game that's fun NOW. There's a chance they could screw up and I'd rather see them screw up with H5 making original maps. You just know they'll have something stupid in there if they try something original. Low-G all over the place. Shield doors. Laser doors. Dumb Halo lore related stuff.
Halo CE: Sidewinder (or Avalanche)
Halo 2: Coagulation, Lockout, Waterworks, Colossus, Terminal, Turf, Midship, Containment, Beaver Creek, Sanctuary, Headlong, Relic, Burial Mounds
Halo 3: The Pit
15 maps right there. If you have to have a Reach map in there it's either Powerhouse or Swordbase.
I don't want to even see 343 try to attempt making original maps. Why? I want a Halo game that's fun NOW. There's a chance they could screw up and I'd rather see them screw up with H5 making original maps. You just know they'll have something stupid in there if they try something original. Low-G all over the place. Shield doors. Laser doors. Dumb Halo lore related stuff.
Thagomizer
Member
...buh? The MP maps have always tied into the lore. Stupid gimmicks and poor design in general is a separate issue.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
lol do we want Halo 4 or Halo Greatest Hits Edition?
Hydranockz
Member
ncsuDuncan
Member
Halo 4 pipe dream:
Disc 1 - Campaign/Co-op/Firefight/Theater
Disc 2 - Multiplayer/Forge/Theater
In the box:
Online Pass - One-time code used to unlock online features (multiplayer, firefight, co-op, etc.)
Disc 1 and Disc 2 will both work offline (and on LAN) without the Online Pass.
You can install Disc 2 and seamlessly launch its features from Disc 1, but not the other way around.
If you buy the game used, you can purchase an Online Pass for $15. This pass cannot be found on Xbox.com or in the XBL Marketplace, it can only be purchased from the Disc 1 menu (but once purchased will allow Disc 2 to go online).
Disc 1 - Campaign/Co-op/Firefight/Theater
Disc 2 - Multiplayer/Forge/Theater
In the box:
Online Pass - One-time code used to unlock online features (multiplayer, firefight, co-op, etc.)
Disc 1 and Disc 2 will both work offline (and on LAN) without the Online Pass.
You can install Disc 2 and seamlessly launch its features from Disc 1, but not the other way around.
If you buy the game used, you can purchase an Online Pass for $15. This pass cannot be found on Xbox.com or in the XBL Marketplace, it can only be purchased from the Disc 1 menu (but once purchased will allow Disc 2 to go online).
Hydranockz
Member
Totally agree. Telling bases apart can b too much of a nuisance as is. Heck, I wouldn't mind it being grey if you could at least use Covie/UNSC/Forerunner architecture to differentiate bases.
Bregmann Roche
Member
This is the most complicated thing I've ever read in my life...but I like the idea of two discs worth of content.
Used game sales still generate revenue for 343/Microsoft which in turn motivates them to develop more Halo multiplayer content which keeps ncsuDuncan happy.
Hydranockz
Member
I fully support/endorse this product and/or service.
Not even a 1 page manual included.