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Halo: Reach |OT7| What are They to Say Now?

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StalkerUKCG

Banned
Tha Robbertster said:
My biggest problem with Reach's art is not that it isn't good, it is most of the locations. We get 3 out of the 9 missions in industrial environments (Nightfall, TotS and tPoA) which I really dislike. I'd loved to see some more future city spaces ala Exodus and New Alexandria or some more forest area's.

That's something Halo 3 did very well: Nearly every level felt unique. You were playing in a completely different environment each level (with the exception of Floodgate). The Ark and the Covenant couldn't be bigger contrasts. Or Sierra 117 and Rat's nest.
I hope 343 will try to do something similar with Halo 4.
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Nightfall is the worst level i can think of in a halo game, No hypebole.

The structures are horrible, and night makes them look worse. For me ODST has the best civilized environments, im aware reach tried a "frontier" style architecture but honestly it just dosnt sit well with me at all.

New Mombasa (ODST) and New Alexandria are amazing looking locations (the playable spaces are another matter all together) but on a future city level they rule.

Id love to see what locations like Seoul look like now.

Human Architecture is very hit and miss in halo games for me.

MrBig said:
How they visually presented the overall world/universe.
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I meant i dont understand what the hell a macro design language is. I bolded it you must of missed that.

Edit: Ignore me i think i get what your saying now.
 
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heckfu

Banned
A27_StarWolf said:
New Alexandria is quite possibly one of my favorite Halo Campaign missions.
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That was a good one and I LOVE the art of Reach, don't get me wrong, but it only gave me a couple of those just..WOW moments. Probably the Sabre launch sequence being the most memorable.

ODST was fantastic for what it was going for and one of the most artistic of series but I just feel like the majority of Halo 3 I just kept thinking, 'damn. this is it.'

Maybe I just miss playing as the Chief. It's been a while, old friend.
 
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The Henery

Member
daedalius said:
I've just now played more Reach than Halo 3, but the only reason for that is I actually have some people I play Reach with, and (just about) always played solo in H3, heh.

I wouldn't want to go back to H3, really; Reach does quite a few things right, its just some of the design decisions drag a lot of it down.

-Imagine if bloom reset much faster from the beginning, or was 85% at the beginning, etc. Or if it was just a hitscan BR with 2x.

-If vehicles weren't paper to the DMR.

-If the Banshee wasn't a Scorpion of the sky.

-If Arena wasn't such a joke, with jetpacks and armor locks, and personal ratings, etc, at the beginning

-If armor lock worked like it works now, or all AAs were pickups on maps, etc.

-If player inertia wasn't cranked so high that it nerfed strafing

Those are just a few things, but I think a lot of people would have a different opinion of Reach... except the people on Waypoint. That place is full of BKs.
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If that happened I imagine Reach would have retained far more of the Halo 3 base than it did.

For the record, though Reach's graphics are technically superior, I prefer Halo 3's art style, colour and lack of grain. Screenshots looked better I thought.
 
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Karl2177

Member
Campaign environment discussion? Coolio.

Outskirts in Halo 2. How many of you guys did the shortcut to get the sword near the rex stones? Today I was playing co-op with my friend. I did the jumps up to get on the rooftops, while my pal played in the courtyards below. It was a completely awesome experience that hasn't been replicated in a Halo game since. What I want in future Halo games is a more vertical experience with multiple options as a player. I like to think of it as a less linear version of Gears co-op when it splits you.
 
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The Librarian

Banned
I think the quality of the art of locations in a Halo game depends largely on their type: human, Covenant, or Forerunner.

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Louis Wu

Member
kylej said:
"Return of the King"?

If I may use an MLG term, HBO is riding some strong D with that article.
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Don't know that term.

Marcus was the king of Reach - he was there at the outset, and it was his vision, all the way through. Then he left. Then he came back.

::shrug:: Made sense to me. ;)
 
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Tashi

343i Lead Esports Producer
Trey said:
Definitely, which is not offensive towards Reach in particular. Its OST is still good. But it's just not fucking with some of the bangers on the other games.
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Hell yea. Total bangers. Was in the club last week and DJ was spinnin the CE remaster on Vinyl.
 
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vgamer1

Member
I was wondering if anyone on here had a spare Anniversary Map Pack code I could purchase off of them? I would get it through microsoft, but money is tight right now and if there is any way I could save a few bucks, that would be great.
 
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MrBig

Member
Steelyuhas said:
Anyone else feel the CE OST remaster was blatantly inferior to the original?
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Yes, they tried their best recapture the original but did not. I would have rather seen them re-imagine them completely since they couldn't just re-orchestrate them and had to re-compose them. But I'm really unhappy with the entire handling of the remake as well.
 
ElRenoRaven

ElRenoRaven

Member
Steelyuhas said:
Anyone else feel the CE OST remaster was blatantly inferior to the original?

Really my only disappointment with CEA.
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For the most part I thought it was ok but 2 or 3 tracks certainly weren't near as good as the originals.

MrBig said:
Yes. But I'm really unhappy with the entire handling of the remake as well.
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I'd somewhat agree. I'm let down by it but I don't hate it with a passion. I just really hate some of the choices they made with it. Overall if I had to rate it compared to the original and other games I'd rate it like this.

Halo 1: 9/10
Halo 2: 8/10
Halo 3: 9/10
Reach: 8/10
ODST: 9/10
HCEA: 6/10

My big gripes were graphics issues, fixing of bugs that were in the original despite saying they didn't, lack of multiplayer even if it was split screen like the original, and the pauses to load the cutscenes. I'd rather have had the switch option be a menu choice before playing if that meant a better experience.
 
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Trey

Member
PsychoRaven said:
For the most part I thought it was ok but 2 or 3 tracks certainly weren't near as good as the originals.



I'd somewhat agree. I'm let down by it but I don't hate it with a passion. I just really hate some of the choices they made with it. Overall if I had to rate it compared to the original and other games I'd rate it like this.

Halo 1: 9/10
Halo 2: 8/10
Halo 3: 9/10
Reach: 8/10
ODST: 9/10
HCEA: 6/10
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I'm quite enjoying CEA so far. But as far as OSTs go, I gotta spin it in this order: ODST > CE > Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Reach = CE remastered. I heard about ten seconds of the new shit in CEA's menu and promptly switched it back to the original.
 
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StalkerUKCG

Banned
PsychoRaven said:
For the most part I thought it was ok but 2 or 3 tracks certainly weren't near as good as the originals.



I'd somewhat agree. I'm let down by it but I don't hate it with a passion. I just really hate some of the choices they made with it. Overall if I had to rate it compared to the original and other games I'd rate it like this.

Halo 1: 9/10
Halo 2: 8/10
Halo 3: 9/10
Reach: 8/10
ODST: 9/10
HCEA: 6/10

My big gripes were graphics issues, fixing of bugs that were in the original despite saying they didn't, lack of multiplayer even if it was split screen like the original, and the pauses to load the cutscenes. I'd rather have had the switch option be a menu choice before playing if that meant a better experience.
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I have to disagree with somethings, no multiplayer is completely understandable and honestly not a massive omission. If they had done multiplayer its safe to assume dev time would be pushed back and the game might of not made a 2011 release.

Its also safe to assume it would of split the reach playerbase, which isnt in the best of states in comparison to halo 3. Netcode implementation would of taken a great deal of trail and error and too much testing, Campaign suffers from horrible netcode (the worst iv experienced)

All that effort for what? a game thats going to have a 7-8 month life span? They did the best possible thing. Polished the campaign (and i think they did that very well) and tweaked the current multiplayer.

Even local MP would mean overhauling 13 maps (at least) and thats alot of work for just local play.
 
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MrBig

Member
Listening through the CEA OST again, a lot of the songs are good, but some are just flat out horrid or unfitting.
I wish I could just get the original OST in flac or any other hq format.
 
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RebornYeti

Member
So, after playing Reach today, I was reminded why I don't play it. I don't even know why I bother going back all the time. I wish my friends still played Halo 3. :(
 
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Steelyuhas

Member
MrBig said:
Listening through the CEA OST again, a lot of the songs are good, but some are just flat out horrid or unfitting.
I wish I could just get the original OST in flac or any other hq format.
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Yeah sometimes when I play CEA I enter a sequence when I know part of the score is going to kick in, and then something awful and untrue to the original. Most of it is fine, but sometimes that happens. Even the stuff that is fine though, I prefer the original at almost every point in the score.
 
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Hypertrooper

Member
Dax01 said:
Does anybody know what song in the Anniversary OST is "A Walk in the Woods"? I don't think it's on there.
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It's called "Lions and Tigers and...". Did you even listen the whole OST?

Tashi0106 said:
Neonnight.mp3
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Im always thinking that I listen to the Wall-E soundtrack, when the Track "Finale" starts. Still ODST has such an amazing soundtrack.
Halo 2 Vol 2 > Halo 3: ODST >>>> CE > Halo 3 = CEA > Halo: Reach = Halo Wars
 
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The Librarian

Banned
Hypertrooper said:
It's called "Lions and Tigers and...". Did you even listen the whole OST?
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No I didn't. I bypassed the entire soundtrack, posted on GAF that it's not there because I couldn't find it.

Now that is an example of an unfaithful remake. They're so different I couldn't tell they were the same track.
 
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MrBig

Member
In some ways the CEA OST reminds me of Troll 2.

e: this comment is little extreme. I apologize, but it has to be done.
 
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Sai-kun

Banned
Barrow Roll said:
Reminds of people (like you) talking about the "off" note in the Walk in the Woods redux.

You guys are either super picky music snobs or just really nitpicky.
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There is absolutely an off note. Nothing wrong with wanting things to be the 'same'-ish, especially when that's the whole point of the remake. I really like the drum parts though. Very neat.

The new Drumrun is also very well done.
 
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Tunavi

Banned
Dax01 said:
Now that is an example of an unfaithful remake. They're so different I couldn't tell they were the same track.
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It was a great rendition though. The new drumline made it a lot more exciting and it worked well in the game.

also, when it hits exactly 1:19, thats where the off-key note is. suck it, barrow.
 
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heckfu

Banned
Dax01 said:
No I didn't. I bypassed the entire soundtrack, posted on GAF that it's not there because I couldn't find it.

Now that is an example of an unfaithful remake. They're so different I couldn't tell they were the same track.
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These three songs in a row just flow well together. You have to trust me.

Golden Slumbers - The Beatles
Carry That Weight - The Beatles
Lions and Tigers and... - CEA Soundtrack
 
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Hypertrooper

Member
Dax01 said:
No I didn't. I bypassed the entire soundtrack, posted on GAF that it's not there because I couldn't find it.

Now that is an example of an unfaithful remake. They're so different I couldn't tell they were the same track.
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I think it is more a new interpretation of the soundtrack. I like it and it isn't bad as everyone says.

Tunavi said:
There is a note that is totally off key in that version. Not being nit picky.

The intro song on the maw really stood out to me. This one is incredible.
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I think it is "Suite Fall". But I ain't sure.
 
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Trey

Member
Tunavi said:
It was a great rendition though. The new drumline made it a lot more exciting and it worked well in the game.

also, when it hits exactly 1:19, thats where the off-key note is. suck it, barrow.
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For the life of me I cannot discern the off key note, but the two songs are unmistakably related. The remake is a little more upbeat is all.
 
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