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Get that OT shit outta this OT.wwm0nkey said:
I just pre-ordered Skyward Sword hype hype hype
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Halo: Reach |OT7| What are They to Say Now?
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blamite said:Yeah, and it works well as a continuation of the final scene of Reach, but I kind of wish that for this game we could just ignore Reach and focus on recreating Halo CE as it was.
This is just a super small nitpick of mine, and just a little thing that in the end doesn't matter that much. Just thought it was worth pointing out.
It should be noted that a modern Keyes is always going to not match up with the Halo 1 version for multiple reasons, some of which is the fact that Halo 1 engine bipeds did not support being bumpmapped, only level geometry. They had to exaggerate his features (eyebrows and forehead) on the 2D texture on his model to compensate for it, because it would have been too much poly cost to actually model them.
In Halo 2 bipeds finally supported being bumpmapped, hence around the time Bungie was talking about how the main Chief model was more detailed yet used dramatically less polygon count than the Halo 1 model, because every 3D detail on Halo 1 chief is actually modeled.
Then you add in completely different lighting systems, Halo 1 made light colors really light and poppy while modern engines aim for more accuracy and range, so if the scene isn't bright, his hair is going to come across darker and 'younger' than the Halo 1 version.
You can more closely see the model lineage around the mouth. I'd chalk up the Anniversary version to artistic interpretation.
I didn't catch the glimpse of his CE:A badge, but I assume this means Keyes is going to have 3 different logos on his badge now (Marathon in H1, Seventh Column in Reach, and ?? in CEA)
Thagomizer
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FyreWulff said:It should be noted that a modern Keyes is always going to not match up with the Halo 1 version for multiple reasons, some of which is the fact that Halo 1 engine bipeds did not support being bumpmapped, only level geometry. They had to exaggerate his features (eyebrows and forehead) on the 2D texture on his model to compensate for it, because it would have been too much poly cost to actually model them.
In Halo 2 bipeds finally supported being bumpmapped, hence around the time Bungie was talking about how the main Chief model was more detailed yet used dramatically less polygon count than the Halo 1 model, because every 3D detail on Halo 1 chief is actually modeled.
You can more closely see the model lineage around the mouth.
I understand that engine limitations are going to affect what the character looks like, but he also looks like a completely different person.
Ana analogy would be the models for the Bonds/Oddjob in Goldeneye. Even though their faces were just a low-res texture, it was still recognizable as that person, whereas if you just showed me those three models, without any prior knowledge, I'd think they were different people. They all have different hairlines, for one.
ElRenoRaven
Member
FyreWulff said:
He does look different in Anniversary, but at this point I can't tell if it's the different angles or if the difference comes from the Reach model having to be re-rigged for a simpler animation setup, or change for the sake of change so that people don't go "Hey you just re-used the Reach model".
His eyebrow ridge is definitely less prominent in CE:A
Non Infringing Vaguely Seventh Column Reference
edit: Actually, in fact that's the Seventh Column with the center deleted :lol
His eyebrow ridge is definitely less prominent in CE:A
PsychoRaven said:
Non Infringing Vaguely Seventh Column Reference
edit: Actually, in fact that's the Seventh Column with the center deleted :lol
ElRenoRaven
Member
FyreWulff said:
To me it just kind of sucks the nameplate is blank. It was the same way in Reach.
Ajemsuhgao
Member
FyreWulff said:
What? No.
FyreWulff said:
But they've already done that. A lot.
Ajemsuhgao said:
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=46656
http://palyvoice.com/node/15389
http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox/395/Halo-2/p2/
http://www.pvcmuseum.com/xbox/hey-guys-im-new-just-wanted-to-ask-few-questions.htm
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=910371&postRepeater1-p=1#910471
It's one of those things that Bungie talked about all the time but I don't have a central Bungie source to link you, sorry.
Barrow Roll
Member
Sooo the AR looks right in first person but every third person shot I've seen looks like it's using the MA5C model from Halo 3. Not a huge deal, but just sayin.
Steelyuhas
Member
Much prefer the Keyes in Reach to the one in CEA, but it's not a big deal to me. The facial animations looking like shit is more disappointing to me.
Also I can't really talk when I didn't like the PDXBLA Joanna over the N64 version.. XBLA one looked like the dragged a model off the street and told her to make a "oh crap i just sharted" face.
"I look like a realistic British-accented woman"
"Oh crap, I left something back at the institute"
"I look like a realistic British-accented woman"
"Oh crap, I left something back at the institute"
Barrow Roll
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blamite said:
MA5B (Halo 1) is shorter and bulker.
MA5C (Halo 3, ODST) is longer and slimmer.
After quickly comparing some renders to the footage it definitely looks like they're using the Halo 3 model, without the green lights on the side. At least in third person shots anyways.
Steelyuhas
Member
FyreWulff said:
Thousand yard stare on the XBLA one lol
Ajemsuhgao
Member
FyreWulff said:
Halo 1 model - 2,016 polygons.
Halo 2 model - 2,912 polygons.
Ajemsuhgao
Member
FyreWulff said:
Right.
Rickenslacker
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Oh my god, of all the great things the XBLA version did, I hate that they turned Joanna into Devon Aoki. I loved the original design for her.FyreWulff said:
Ajemsuhgao said:
Now you have to take a time machine and go back and post that to all those threads.
Rickenslacker said:
It's weird because they were fairly close to everyone else, especially Carrington, then they got to Joanna and went right off a cliff. She looks pretty, but she's not Joanna Dark to me. New Keyes is the same for other people. Art direction > MOAR POLIEZ.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Yay, Amazon just let me download my Kindle copy of Glasslands! Going to read it when I head into bed in a few.
Zeouterlimits
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Agreed re: that moments importance.Dax01 said:
We don't get huge amounts of clear character/world setup, that's one of the early moments, highlighting a certain level of direness.
Hypertrooper
Member
Is this just fantasy?Hitmonchan107 said:
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality
Open your eyes,
Look up to the skies and see,
I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy,
Because I'm easy come, easy go,
Little high, little low,
Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to
me, to me
Microsoft doesn't care if it is an "awful awful thing to watch". Spike VGA's are one of the events in the USA. Million of people are watching it yearly.PsychoRaven said:
So jealous. So jealous.minasodaboy said:
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Now I finished Levi's A Fistful of Arrows. I hope you are going to read it too.
Check it out.Hypertrooper said:Howdy sir. Long time no read. Still regret that we haven't met at GamesCom '10. Next year definitely I promise! I hope you stick with us
I was off the continent this year, and should be again next year
interning for a game studio if all goes according to keikaku
Tha Robbertster
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The final of a fist full of arrows is up!
Levi did a really, really great job on this, I hope 343 will adopt this as canon and that they will look at him to make some more stuff for them in the future.
Levi did a really, really great job on this, I hope 343 will adopt this as canon and that they will look at him to make some more stuff for them in the future.
Hypertrooper
Member
Levi is a really amazing guy. It was a pleasure for me to meet him at PAX this year. He definitely has a lot of fans in the industry.Tha Robbertster said:
Otherwise I beat you.
Tha Robbertster
Member
Hypertrooper said:
Ah shit, didn't see the edit
Gabotron ES
Member
That was just epic, congrats to Levi for doing such an amazing job.
-My holy flare!
-My holy flare!
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Just bought Glasslands on Kindle for my iPad 2. $9.99 was too good to pass up.
Hypertrooper
Member
No excuse. You posted your post at 01:46pm. I edited my post the last time at 12:24 PM. So you didn't read my post.Tha Robbertster said:Ah shit, didn't see the edit
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Did anyone read the GamesRadar preview of Halo: Anniversary? This part of the preview is very interesting:
http://www.gamesradar.com/halo-anniversary-preview-why-word-remastered-doesnt-do-it-justice/
Hypertrooper
Member
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005T54O6C/?tag=neogaf0e-20aj1467 said:I can't find it anywhere on the Kindle Store
Unfortunately I don't know where he got it for $9,99. =(
Tha Robbertster
Member
Hypertrooper said:
Or I read all posts before 12.24 pm
The Librarian
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Six more hours until I have Glasslands in my hands!
ElRenoRaven
Member
Hypertrooper said:
It was only 9.99 for me too. Just like it shows right on the page you linked.
Kindle Price: $9.99 includes free wireless delivery via Amazon Whispernet
Fistful of Arrows. Hory Shet.
What a fantastic work... I REALLY hope it gets canonized. Is it still compatible with Fall of Reach/First Strike? I don't recall there ever being a story as to how Halsey got to Castle.
If I was in charge of 343 I'd hire Levi at LEAST part time to crank out comics that give us short little stories from around the Haloverse.
What a fantastic work... I REALLY hope it gets canonized. Is it still compatible with Fall of Reach/First Strike? I don't recall there ever being a story as to how Halsey got to Castle.
If I was in charge of 343 I'd hire Levi at LEAST part time to crank out comics that give us short little stories from around the Haloverse.
Slightly Live
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A27 Tawpgun said:
I hope not. The distinction between fan fiction and official work should be pretty clear cut - official work is commissioned, fan work isn't. That's not to say Levi isn't talented or anything, I think he'd have no problems finding work, heck I wouldn't mind seeing official Halo art done by the guy.
Just a big heck no to including fan content into canon.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Hypertrooper said:
Kindle version is $9.99.
http://www.amazon.com/Halo-Glasslands-ebook/dp/B005T54O6C/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1319552919&sr=1-1
Syracuse022
Member
+1 to hoping A Fistful of Arrows will be canonized and subsequently published hardcover by 343i. At the very least, one would hope they already have the papers drawn up to make him the next in a proud line of community pick-ups (Shishka, Voc, Cocop, etc.) - he absolutely deserves it.