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[Lostconfused]

So yeah I guess the main character is going to be Lucy.

 

[clashfan]

Why do people think they are going on a rescue mission?

 

[Blueblur1]

That's alright, you'll never use it anyway

:lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[duk]

So yeah I guess the main character is going to be Lucy.

what makes u say that? cuz the LT doesn't speak?

 

[Zeouterlimits]

Were spartan IIIs even available during the fall of reach???

Kind of. Gamma company were in training/available at this point, but they all (except 15) went on their big suicide mission a few weeks later.
So it's possible on what we per-say.

 

[The Librarian]

That's alright, you'll never use it anyway

That's not true.

 

[soldat7]

Based on the fact that Halo 3 was early 360 and that Gears and ME2 provide a top line for expectations for a 360 game, I feel like Halo had a lot of room to improve in the visuals department. Now, the fact that the Halo is set in wide open environment, and the games will likely support split-screen of some degree probably means there are concessions. Right now, I'm largely expecting this video minus the gloss and sheen.

Don't forget saved films, forge, theater, etc. I don't see other console engines supporting these features.

 

[Captain Blood]

Don't forget saved films, forge, theater, etc. I don't see other console engines supporting these features.

It will be interesting to see if all those features make it into Reach.

 

[Revelations]

Considering you're the only idiotic talk about consistency of armour while completely ignoring armour permutations, I think you have to really question who's being "dense".
Also, did you just state that it doesn't matter how different it looked...because thats exactly what you were bitching about. ALL of these soldiers are Spartans, and they ALL have different armour permutations. If you KNOW that their wearing Mark IVs then its the logical conclusion that Mark IV armour can have various permutations. Again...making your bitching completely useless and moronic.

I knew of MJOLNIR MkIV only having 1 armor permutation before this trailer was presented at VGA's. (everyone didnt know about Franks comment) And that's the one thats in Halo Wars. It is definitely not a logical conclusion that MJOLNIR Mk. IV could have different armor permutations because we have only seen it in HW. And since there is only the one that most of us have seen in Halo Wars thats why I brung up inconsistency. But you being the righteous douchebag took what i said and blew it up to jackass status with your awful attitude and demeanor. I have never seen these armor permutations before and it has obstructed what my original take was on how Mk. IV looked.

YOU: "Like where are his shoulder guards? And why isn't he wearing the standard helmet. You know the one MC has with the shade guard above the visor. Bungie really fucked us on the whole consistency thing."
You asked one rhetorical question, and then proceeded to make idiotic presumptions about Bungie fucking over consistency. You made an idiotic comment and got called out for it. Your shitty damage control would be cute if it wasn't sad.

That's right. I asked a fucking question and got pissed because of the inconsistency of the look of the armor. Not everyone know of frank O' Connors statement about different armor permutations of Mk. IV. What I had in my mind was the look of the armor that was portrayed in Halo Wars. As those were Mk. IV Spartan II's. So naturally I'm pissed that the armor dosn't look like what i first perceived it to be. And if you weren't such a douchebag about it then this convo would have went a different way.

 

[The Librarian]

It will be interesting to see if all those features make it into Reach.

Why wouldn't they be? Saved Films and Theater will definitely be in there. Forge, too, if they improve upon it.

 

[soldat7]

The music track is interesting; sounds like an evolution of one of the ODST themes (the one used in the Firefight vidoc). I think it's a little out of place - it's this aggressive, rumbling theme that builds up rapidly, when there's nothing especially climactic happening at all - but it's got a harder edge to it than much of the music from the trilogy. Interested to see the direction it goes in, ie monks or no monks.

There is a VERY distinct Halo 1 flavor to the music right as the ships are beginning their ascent. So brilliant.

 

[Trasher]

There is a VERY distinct Halo 1 flavor to the music right as the ships are beginning their ascent. So brilliant.

Yeah, I feel like it's a variation of a track we know, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Definitely has that Marty-Halo feel for sure.

 

[Not a Jellyfish]

Yeah, I feel like it's a variation of a track we know, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Definitely has that Marty-Halo feel for sure.

Speaking of Halo 1 feel, trying not get to exceited but that is the same make of pistol on the recruits leg holster.

 

[duk]

excellent analysis fellas... keep it up

 

[Tashi]

Damn, looks like I gotta Reach-ify my avatar. I'll think of something.

I know the graphics will be much improved now but I'm still nervous about the multiplayer. Like, really nervous.

Also, 6 members of Noble Team...6 player Co-op???? I know it doesn't necessarily mean that but it's a possibility.

 

[soldat7]

I imagine we'll grow quite attached to this squad of Spartans and it would be cool, and add a lot of emotional weight, to see most of them die.
I hope they don't cop out and have all of them make it to some underground facility and survive.

It will require more that to make me buy into the Halo series. I have not played Halo since the first came out really. I played enough to know I did not like them and that was it. I really think Bungie needs to move on and give Halo a break for awhile. I think they are getting burned out on it. I am hoping they will have their next project as a multiplatform release I would like to see what they could do with a PS3. The vids do look good for Halo Reach though. It is to early to even know how good it will be.

:lol

 

[Stabby McSter]

It will be interesting to see if all those features make it into Reach.

they should. i mean, they're already in halo 3 and whatnot, why would they take a step back in functionality?

 

[goldenpp72]

:lol

yeah, hey bungie stop making games I don't play even if 10 million others do :lol

 

[duk]

Damn, looks like I gotta Reach-ify my avatar. I'll think of something.

I know the graphics will be much improved now but I'm still nervous about the multiplayer. Like, really nervous.

Also, 6 members of Noble Team...6 player Co-op???? I know it doesn't necessarily mean that but it's a possibility.

would be nice but im thinking carter 032 dies early on and u take over

 

[soldat7]

No my user name has always been L-A-I-N it is the same on N4G.

Credibility restored.

 

[CrazedArabMan]

The more I watch the trailer, the more I am amazed by it.

 

[charsace]

People are being dumb crying about this. Halo 3 engine was a modified version of the engine used in H2. That engine was built for the xbox. This engine was built from the start for the 360. I was expecting there to be a graphical leap based on this and the fact that bungie has been working with the 360 a while now and have probably gotten more support from MS than anyone else.

 

[pringles]

they should. i mean, they're already in halo 3 and whatnot, why would they take a step back in functionality?

It's a new engine so I don't think it's a guarantee those features make it. If they want to push the graphics as much as possible and give everyone that 1,000,000xAA they can't live without they might have to cut some other things.

Personally I couldn't care less if they remove saved films in campaign and forge. As long as saved films in multiplayer stays.

 

[riceandbeans]

Credibility restored.

Are you serious man? N4G, the site with nothing but flamebait fodder coming some dude with no journal or economic expierence calling out sales numbers and whose gonna win the console wars? Seriously man, the fuck...

I hate that place with a passion. Their community and comments are the worst the internet has to offer.

 

[Louis Wu]

how about my avatar done right? [aka same shot, and fix it up a bit so the guy is a bit more visable]

How's this?

Bam.

 

[soldat7]

You know, I'm a huge Halo fan, but I don't know who pisses me off more; the insecure Halo haters who've hated it since November 15, 2001 because it was the Xbox's baby or the Halo crowd themselves who are the biggest fucking babies ever.

You get more explanations, updates, features, feedback, DLC for Halo games than any other franchise and you still complain over nonsensical, idiotic things.

Well said.

 

[Walshicus]

Well said.

I recognise that brief flash of avatar...

 

[italianfreak240]

It's a new engine so I don't think it's a guarantee those features make it. If they want to push the graphics as much as possible and give everyone that 1,000,000xAA they can't live without they might have to cut some other things.

Personally I couldn't care less if they remove saved films in campaign and forge. As long as saved films in multiplayer stays.

I don't see why they would have to cut any of that. The code has already been written once already. Not like they have to recode those features again. Reuse the code and just add on to make it better than it already is.

 

[big ander]

So yeah I guess the main character is going to be Lucy.

No, Lucy is training Gamma Company with Tom.
I agree with others that Lone Wolf Guy (LWG is shorter, I'm gonna go with that) is a Beta Company Spartan-III that survived Pegasi Delta. I don't really feel that can be argued any more.
I don't think this means all of Noble Team is Spartan-IIIs. In fact, they can't be unless Bungie retcons the books. According to the books, all of Alpha and Beta died (save Tom, Lucy, and now LWG), and Noble Team couldn't be more Beta survivors; they would already know who LWG was. Gamma is still being trained, and is deployed after Reach.

So now I'm baffled as to where the rest of Noble Team is from. One idea I had was that they could be a whole new level of Spartans, S-IVs maybe. ONI did a good job of covering up the S-IIIs, and maybe they were simultaneously creating S-IVs. Maybe these Spartans could be cheap to produce, like Spartan-IIIs, but only because of older MJOLNIR and less augmentation. This would allow the callsigns up to 320 and above.
I think the other theory is more likely: these are Spartan-IIs beyond the original class of 150 (save for Jorge-052 and possibly Skullhead and Accent Sniper) who were kept secret from Halsey. Maybe the entire second wave of Spartans was completing training on Reach when the Covenant came a-knocking, and they all died in the battle.

 

[Deadly]

So yeah I guess the main character is going to be Lucy.

By the operation on Pegasi Delta was over, Lucy and Tom, the 2 known survivors of Beta Company, became Kurt's right hand-men. So nope.

 

[duk]

bungie definitely is giving us a lot to talk about, story-wise

 

[The Librarian]

No, Lucy is training Gamma Company with Tom.
I agree with others that Lone Wolf Guy (LWG is shorter, I'm gonna go with that) is a Beta Company Spartan-III that survived Pegasi Delta. I don't really feel that can be argued any more.

The only two survivors of Operation: Torpedo were Tom and Lucy.

 

[Lostconfused]

By the operation on Pegasi Delta was over, Lucy and Tom, the 2 known survivors of Beta Company, became Kurt's right hand-men. So nope.

Really at this point why not just bring all of the spartan IIIs i mean god knows how many of them did not die.

 

[Trasher]

The only two survivors of Operation: Torpedo were Tom and Lucy.

This won't be a fact for much longer then.

 

[pringles]

Really at this point why not just bring all of the spartan IIIs i mean god knows how many of them did not die.

spartans never die...


...they're just missing in action.

 

[Rad Agast]

The only two survivors of Operation: Torpedo were Tom and Lucy.

That we know of. Damn ONI spooks, I better find some where to hide.

 

[The Librarian]

This won't be a fact for much longer then.

... Right.

That we know of. Damn ONI spooks, I better find some where to hide.

What do you mean by that? Out of the 418 that were chosen for Beta Company, only 300 were conscripted. This was Kurt's second wave of Spartans III's. All 300 were sent on Operation: Torpedo and only two survived.

Edit - If there were any more from Beta company, Kurt would've known about 'em.

 

[Slightly Live]

People are being dumb crying about this. Halo 3 engine was a modified version of the engine used in H2.

:lol :lol

 

[Lostconfused]

spartans never die...


...they're just missing in action.

Cant wait for some one to discover a colony of all the survivors. I mean 297 sounds like enough people to have something going.

 

[Proelite]

I don't see why they would have to cut any of that. The code has already been written once already. Not like they have to recode those features again. Reuse the code and just add on to make it better than it already is.

In addition, the code for 4 player co-op is the same for the code for saved films, saved film files are basically saved files of the (really efficient) network transfers. If they have one they have the other.
It sort of makes me wonder why some games that already have online co-op in place don't have saved films. There isn't much more coding beyond saving the network transfers and feeding it into the engine later. They might be trying to cut down disc I/O costs, but that's trivial compared to network I/O.

 

[Deadly]

This won't be a fact for much longer then.

Pretty much true. It's the only plausible explanation. Can't be a Gamma Company Spartan III either, they were deployed in October 2552 while the the end of Reach was in August 2552.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

except it isn't real-time

of course it is, just ain't running on the 360 is all.

Looks good though, love that chopper design.

 

[duk]

Pretty much true. It's the only plausible explanation. Can't be a Gamma Company Spartan III either, they were deployed in October 2552 while the the end of Reach was in August 2552.

what if this was after the fall of reach? when we are taking it back? but reach got glassed

 

[The Librarian]

Pretty much true. It's the only plausible explanation. Can't be a Gamma Company Spartan III either, they were deployed in October 2552 while the the end of Reach was in August 2552.

Not necessarily. There could've been a few Spartan IIIs from Gamma Company deployed to help Reach.

 

[charsace]

:lol :lol

?

Halo 3 was running on the Halo 2 engine. I don't understand what's funny about my post?

 

[big ander]

The only two survivors of Operation: Torpedo were Tom and Lucy.

The trailer all but confirms LWG was on Pegasi Delta.
So LWG was a member of one of three groups:

• Normal Infantry Marines

• ODSTs

• Spartan IIIs

I feel like ODST and Marine can be eliminated from the start. For one, Carter-259 expressly mentions Spartans. Second, there's no way an ODST or Marine could complete Spartan training in 7 years.
The hints about something secretive with ONI, and the fact that Spartan-IIIs were kept secret from everyone except Kurt and ONI themselves, all points to LWG being a Spartan-III.

Edit - If there were any more from Beta company, Kurt would've known about 'em.

Why is that? It's the Office of Naval Intelligence. If they don't want someone to discover something, that person's not going to discover it.

 

[The Librarian]

The trailer all but confirms LWG was on Pegasi Delta.

How so?

Why is that? It's the Office of Naval Intelligence. If they don't want someone to discover something, that person's not going to discover it.

Because Kurt personally oversaw the entire operation.

There could be a way that LWG is from Beta Company, yes, but a survivor of Pegasi Delta? No.

Edit - Besides, if ONI went through all the trouble of setting a few Beta IIIs aside without Kurt's knowing, why would they send him (or them) on a mission that is most likely suicidal? Why go through all that trouble just to waste him in an operation like that? Doesn't make any sense.

 

[duk]

How so?

Because Kurt personally oversaw the entire operation.

There could be a way that LWG is from Beta Company, yes, but a survivor of Pegasi Delta? No.

Is that why Jorge said what he said?

"didn't think anyone survived pegasi sir"

maybe it was reported that all 298 were KIA, but maybe LWG was really MIA

 

[Trasher]

Not necessarily. There could've been a few Spartan IIIs from Gamma Company deployed to help Reach.

Have you not watched the trailer??? They spell it out for you pretty much.

"Didn't think anyone survived Pegasi, sir."

Why else would they say that?!?!?!

 

[GhaleonEB]

?

Halo 3 was running on the Halo 2 engine. I don't understand what's funny about my post?

Because it wasn't.