Lostconfused
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If Jorge is a Spartan II then he shouldn't know anything about pegasi in the first place.duk said:
Edit: Also that phrase implies that Lucy and Tom died on pegasi as well.
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Edit: Also that phrase implies that Lucy and Tom died on pegasi as well.
Proelite
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GhaleonEB said:
Well, they did prototype it on the Halo 2 engine.
However, every game engine has code that are generations old. It won't make sense to rewrite some of the basic physics/lighting classes. I won't be surprised if a significant fraction of Reach's code is from Halo 1. In that sense, one could say the Halo 3, or even Halo Reach "runs" on the Halo 2 engine.
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Dax01 said:
Didn't Jorge 052 say he thought no one survived Pegasi, After LWG walked in...?
Slightly Live
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charsace said:
Halo 3 was not running on the Halo 2 engine. That is absurd.
Well yeah. Bungie has been evolving their Halo engine constantly, which I'm sure is common among developers. Which is not the same as saying "Halo 3 was running on the Halo 2 engine". If he meant Halo 3 ran on a highly evolved, extensively modified version of the Halo 2 engine - which included a move from the Xbox to the 360 - which might contain some trace elements of the Halo 2 engine, then fair enough.Proelite said:
But that's not what he said, and these statements mean very different things.
Dax01 said:
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. The theory I agree with is that LWG somehow survived Pegasi, maybe due to a selfish maneuver or retreat of some sort. Hence the name Lone Wolf Guy. I'm not trying to argue that ONI set aside some random Beta IIIs just because they could. But theoretically, if ONI found a SIII alive on Pegasi after Operation Torpedo, and after Tom, Lucy, and Kurt had been told all other B-SIIIs had "gone MIA," they might make the decision to transfer him/her to a separate secret task force of theirs. Telling Kurt about a Spartan of his betraying his mission could have hurt the chances of Gamma Company every even being created.Dax01 said:
The Librarian
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Doesn't necessarily mean that he was sent on the surface with all the rest. Pegasi Delta has moons - he could've be sent to one of them for whatever reason. Or 51-Pegasi B/A. Either way, I don't think we have enough information to go off of as to where Lone Wolf came from, or where the other Spartans came from.Trasher said:
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Kurt's dead.duk said:
Lostconfused
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But there is nothing that suggest that there are survivors besides Tom and Lucy.big ander said:
Fair enough. Neither theory is airtight. But with all the heavy hinting from Bungie about small stuff we would notice in the trailer, I would assume that a mention of Pegasi would be about Pegasi Delta, and not some other untold battle.Dax01 said:
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Other than Jorge and Carter's dialog. It mentions a survivor of Pegasi, and since Tom and Lucy have been ruled out, we have to assume it's either a secret survivor of Operation Torpedo, or a survivor of a separate operation, like Dax is saying.Lostconfused said:
Zeouterlimits
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I'd like you to go back and think about that.Dax01 said:
(Although I strongly doubt he'll be in it)
Quite chilling, feels like the Elite would rather eat me than gut me like a fish.
Yes there is. This trailer suggests that. You guys needs to break away from your Halo lore and canon. Obviously Bungie needed a loophole to create some new Spartans, and this is it. Some of you may not like it, but it's probably time you got used to the idea just in case. I mean, you may be right, but it seems obvious to me that they would plant that line in there for a specific reason.Lostconfused said:
:lolGhaleonEB said:
Lostconfused
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It mentions that no one survived other than that one spartan. How does it rule out Tom or Lucy?big ander said:
Edit: Really at this point all we really know is that there is some spartan that survived some kind of place called pegasi and that he or she is probably the only survivor from that place.
Zeouterlimits
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Obviously I missed something, where does the trailer say that a Gamma Company S3 is in it?Trasher said:
My mistake.WJD said:
I could have sworn I read somewhere that Halo 2 was the base for Halo 3 though. When they made the changes to Halo 2 after E3 Bungie said the engine was not only made for the xbox, but for next gen too. I thought they upgraded the lighting engine to a GI system and were doing something like rendering a frame twice to get the level of lighting that Halo 3 has.
I give up because this shit is confusing. And this is why I hate GD at times. Everyone thinks you're trolling.
Stormtrooper30
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It's very simple Dax. There are only 2 publicly known survivors of Operation Torpedo: Tom and Lucy. Now everbody knows that Spartans are always listed as MIA, and never KIA, so its impossible to know exactly how many lived and how many died. During Operation Torpedo, there were Prowler stealth ships on the surface waiting to evacuate the Spartans that survived. There very easily could have been a Spartan III that escaped to one of these and it was damaged in the explosion and ONI intercepted it or something.Dax01 said:
Its not fucking difficult. It clearly says during the trailer that the Lone Wolf is from Pegasi. If he isn't Tom or Lucy, then he must be from Beta company, either that or Bungie will have to make up some more story.
Tom and Lucy were 12 years old. The only thing Ghosts of Onyx says definitively about survivors of the battle is this:
The idea that none of the other Spartans could have possibly survived is absurd.
So they didn't find anyone, and nobody was broadcasting for help. Lucy was badly hurt, and Tom was more concerned with getting her out than he was with finding 298 bodies.
The idea that none of the other Spartans could have possibly survived is absurd.
Zeouterlimits
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Ah, thanks Trasher, I've been mis-hearing that line all day then.Trasher said:
Right. We know it's not Tom or Lucy because they are both with Kurt training Gamma Company of Spartan-IIIs.Lostconfused said:
So as I said, there are two options the hivemind has come up with so far:
-LWG is a separate Beta Company SIII that survived Operation Torpedo on Pegasi Delta.
-LWG is...someone else, who survived a separate battle in the Pegasi System that had Spartans.
But why does Jorge ask that question / make that statement "I didn't think anyone survived pegasi, sir". How does he know immediately The Lone Wolf Guy was on Pegasi? Or if he knew it beforehand, why say it out loud at that particular moment? I mean, LWG is just a man in an armor, without any obvious markers for "Hi, I am John-117b, John-117:s little brother. I fought on Pegasi Delta".
Lostconfused
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With this assumption Pegasi could be anything, a name of a planet/system/ship/operation/whatever.big ander said:
Slightly Live
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Zeouterlimits
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All they've announced is the Greg Bear Forunner trilogy.duk said:
If you're asking do we think there'd be a new book about this? I think they've learned not to tell the stories of the games from The Flood. Perhaps something to give us back stories on the characters at some point.
FilthyLies
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While everyone is debating over Lone Woldf, I think the more important question is in regards to the rest of the squad: Are these Spartan-IIIs or Class-II Spartan-IIs?
Obviously the ID tags go up too high for them to all be Class-I Spartan-IIs, but they don't match the Letter-3 digit code that the S-IIIs use (as far as we know).
Now if they are S-IIIs, they'd have to be from Alpha Company (due to the "Thought no one survived Pegasi" remark). As far as we know Alpha Company was massacred in Operation Prometheus with no survivors- although obviously LWG indicates a willingness to retcon S-III history to a certain degree. Gamma company deploys after Reach, and even if they had been sent as emergency backup, there would be no accounting for Kat's cybernetic arm and all the battle damage on their armor.
The other thing to consider is that all the Spartan-III companies only had 300 members each- which wouldn't account for Kat-320, since each company resets the numbering.
To me they look like Class-II Spartan-IIs- something that has always been vaugely canonical but never really confirmed. I just don't see how they can work as Spartan-IIIs without massive retconning, something Bungie generally tends to be pretty good about avoiding.
Obviously the ID tags go up too high for them to all be Class-I Spartan-IIs, but they don't match the Letter-3 digit code that the S-IIIs use (as far as we know).
Now if they are S-IIIs, they'd have to be from Alpha Company (due to the "Thought no one survived Pegasi" remark). As far as we know Alpha Company was massacred in Operation Prometheus with no survivors- although obviously LWG indicates a willingness to retcon S-III history to a certain degree. Gamma company deploys after Reach, and even if they had been sent as emergency backup, there would be no accounting for Kat's cybernetic arm and all the battle damage on their armor.
The other thing to consider is that all the Spartan-III companies only had 300 members each- which wouldn't account for Kat-320, since each company resets the numbering.
To me they look like Class-II Spartan-IIs- something that has always been vaugely canonical but never really confirmed. I just don't see how they can work as Spartan-IIIs without massive retconning, something Bungie generally tends to be pretty good about avoiding.
Louis Wu said:
I was going to mention this, but I don't have the book handy and I didn't want to hurl out some unsourced statement as if it was fact. Too much of that going around as it is. Thank you for posting it and confirming that I haven't yet started a slip into senility lol.
CrazedArabMan
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Dani said:
Dani comes in with clarification.