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[Lostconfused]

I am still wondering how one of them knows about Pegasi but not about at least two Spartans surviving it.

 

[gibration]

Official Press Release for Halo Reach

The “Halo: Reach” multiplayer beta is coming spring 2010, which players can access exclusively through “Halo 3: ODST.

I'm going to be playing game after game in Spring.

 

[Zeouterlimits]

Edelman PR?
Can't say I've heard of them (not that I should have).

Lulz, nothing to see here.

 

[StUnNeR H2K]

To me they look like Class-II Spartan-IIs- something that has always been vaugely canonical but never really confirmed. I just don't see how they can work as Spartan-IIIs without massive retconning, something Bungie generally tends to be pretty good about avoiding.

Carter & Kat have to be Class-II Spartan-IIs otherwise they would have a letter in front of their number associated with the class they were under in the Spartan-III program. As for LWG we don't have a number associated with him, but I can bet it will be a letter followed by 3 numbers.

 

[Louis Wu]

If they were Spartan IIIs, won't they be like 17 years old maximum? Don't tell me that war and stress has that much of an aging effect.

19, actually. (They were 12 in 2545.) And I'd guess that only the LWG is a Spartan III.

Edelman PR?
Can't say I've heard of them (not that I should have).

Edelman does most of the MS-originated Halo PR.

 

[Proelite]

Playing as a teenage Spartan, strikes me as something very Japanese.

Would he be angsty and have spiky hair? :lol

 

[soldat7]

Are you serious man? N4G, the site with nothing but flamebait fodder coming some dude with no journal or economic expierence calling out sales numbers and whose gonna win the console wars? Seriously man, the fuck...

I hate that place with a passion. Their community and comments are the worst the internet has to offer.

If you want fair and balanced, go to N4G. That site and its inhabitants are some of the internet's most well-informed and civilized individuals; a den of scum and villainy it is not. If you call yourself an intellectual, then you should frequent N4G.

I recognise that brief flash of avatar...

It's the Legendary Black Beast of Aaargh, from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I got the idea from an article I read from Kat Bailey over at 1UP.

 

[italianfreak240]

If they were Spartan IIIs, won't they be like 17 years old maximum? Don't tell me that war and stress has that much of an aging effect.

Well they took growth hormones so I guess that would be why they look older. Unless the Spartan 3 program didn't do that.

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-II_Augmentation_Procedures

Edit: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-III

 

[StUnNeR H2K]

And I'd guess that only the LWG is a Spartan III.

Would explain the Pegasi comment, and since we don't have a service tag number for LWG yet... it's possible he could be a Spartan-III. The others are clearly Spartan-IIs, and I'm curious (if LWG is a S-III) as how they know about the Spartan-IIIs since other than Kurt none of the Spartan-IIs were informed of the Spartan-IIIs.

 

[Trasher]

While everyone is debating over Lone Woldf, I think the more important question is in regards to the rest of the squad: Are these Spartan-IIIs or Class-II Spartan-IIs?

Obviously the ID tags go up too high for them to all be Class-I Spartan-IIs, but they don't match the Letter-3 digit code that the S-IIIs use (as far as we know).

Now if they are S-IIIs, they'd have to be from Alpha Company (due to the "Thought no one survived Pegasi" remark). As far as we know Alpha Company was massacred in Operation Prometheus with no survivors- although obviously LWG indicates a willingness to retcon S-III history to a certain degree. Gamma company deploys after Reach, and even if they had been sent as emergency backup, there would be no accounting for Kat's cybernetic arm and all the battle damage on their armor.

The other thing to consider is that all the Spartan-III companies only had 300 members each- which wouldn't account for Kat-320, since each company resets the numbering.

To me they look like Class-II Spartan-IIs- something that has always been vaugely canonical but never really confirmed. I just don't see how they can work as Spartan-IIIs without massive retconning, something Bungie generally tends to be pretty good about avoiding.

Uhhh no. The whole point of that remark is most likely to make it plausible that someone from Beta Company survived. Think about it...this mystery Spartan walks into the room...the other Spartan is surprised and says, "wtf, I thought no one survived that shit," thus meaning this Spartan DID survive Pegasi... It's not a difficult concept.

Halopedia confirms it now! http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Pegasi_Delta

Another Spartan also survived the battle, and is going to be one of the main characters in Halo: Reach

 

[FilthyLies]

Uhhh no. The whole point of that remark is most likely to make it plausible that someone from Beta Company survived. Think about it...this mystery Spartan walks into the room...the other Spartan is surprised and says, "wtf, I thought no one survived that shit," thus meaning this Spartan DID survive Pegasi... It's not a difficult concept.

Talking about the rest of the squad bro.

Thought we already agreed LWG was a survivor from Pegasi. Point is, if anyone else in the squad was from Pegasi, Jorge wouldn't be so surprised at another survivor showing up.

 

[big ander]

Official Press Release for Halo Reach

Thank you Dani.

So I definitely think the others are new SIIs. That has to be it.

 

[Lostconfused]

Halopedia confirms it now! http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Pegasi_Delta

Since they cant cite a source for it, its only speculation.

 

[Louis Wu]

Halopedia confirms it now! http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Pegasi_Delta

rofl - really?

Halopedia is written by fans - and is as susceptible to mistakes as any other collection of fan speculation.

(I'm not saying they're wrong - I'm saying it's nuts to point to a line like this as proof that this is how it is. :lol)

 

[GhaleonEB]

Hmm.

 

[Trasher]

rofl - really?

Halopedia is written by fans - and is as susceptible to mistakes as any other collection of fan speculation.

(I'm not saying they're wrong - I'm saying it's nuts to point to a line like this as proof that this is how it is. :lol)

lol NO!!! That part was a joke. Jeeze guys. :lol

Talking about the rest of the squad bro.

Thought we already agreed LWG was a survivor from Pegasi. Point is, if anyone else in the squad was from Pegasi, Jorge wouldn't be so surprised at another survivor showing up.

My bad, my bad. Thought you were still discussing LWG. Sucks having so many people come in here at random times who aren't caught up on what the current discussion is haha. But yes, that would be a good argument as to why the others may not be Spartan III's, or at least be Spartan III's from a different company (if that's even possible...).

 

[Magni]

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They really take kids for idiots, huh? I've always been "over 18" online, and I started surfing before I was 8.. smh

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So, we're playing as an S-III. Well, that certainly changes things up a bit.. Wonder how it'll be on the MP side of things..

 

[Trasher]

Spartan III armor description sounds fuck awesome. Will be interesting to see if any of that is reflected in the game.

That's just fan speculation. I wouldn't believe a WORD of it.

 

[GhaleonEB]

That's just fan speculation. I wouldn't believe a WORD of it.

Yeah, I just realized where it was from. :lol

 

[Not a Jellyfish]

Seeing that press release I am still pretty confident that their won't be that huge of a difference between actually gameplay and cut-scene graphics. Bungie is usually pretty good on that front (minus the texture pop in in Halo 2).

 

[Captain Blood]

I hope they update the wallpapers with the people filled in soon.

 

[Proelite]

Possibly teenage female Spartan III, I hope she is hot.

Seriously though, the main character won't be Lucy nor Tom as they were both deployed elsewhere.

 

[duk]

Possibly teenage female Spartan III, I hope she is hot.

spartans aren't hot Jorge

they're just mia

 

[Rad Agast]

But why does Jorge ask that question / make that statement "I didn't think anyone survived pegasi, sir". How does he know immediately The Lone Wolf Guy was on Pegasi? Or if he knew it beforehand, why say it out loud at that particular moment? I mean, LWG is just a man in an armor, without any obvious markers for "Hi, I am John-117b, John-117:s little brother. I fought on Pegasi Delta".

Carter-259 read the ONI files they didn't want him to read remember?

I'm glad Bungie cleared things up regarding our new Spartan. I can't wait for the Beta

 

[The Librarian]

But why does Jorge ask that question / make that statement "I didn't think anyone survived pegasi, sir". How does he know immediately The Lone Wolf Guy was on Pegasi? Or if he knew it beforehand, why say it out loud at that particular moment? I mean, LWG is just a man in an armor, without any obvious markers for "Hi, I am John-117b, John-117:s little brother. I fought on Pegasi Delta".

Bring up a good point, though as Trasher said, I think that line of dialog Jorge said was just put there to help us piece together LWG's back story.

Tom and Lucy were 12 years old. The only thing Ghosts of Onyx says definitively about survivors of the battle is this:

So they didn't find anyone, and nobody was broadcasting for help. Lucy was badly hurt, and Tom was more concerned with getting her out than he was with finding 298 bodies.

The idea that none of the other Spartans could have possibly survived is absurd.

I hadn't read the book in awhile, and if that's the exact wording on the book, then it's possible.

 

[Magni]

Quick question : LWG means what? Lone Wolf Guy?

 

[OMG Aero]

Official Press Release for Halo Reach

Well that sucks. I want to be a Spartan II again so I can run around punching all the enemies in the face.

 

[Lostconfused]

Carter-259 read the ONI files they didn't want him to read remember?

Yeah which totally explains why carter didn't say that but some other guy said that for some unexplained reason.

 

[Talon]

Edelman PR?
Can't say I've heard of them (not that I should have).

Lulz, nothing to see here.

Edelman's kind of like a big deal. Powerful firm in Chicago.

 

[tahrikmili]

I'm glad Bungie cleared things up regarding our new Spartan. I can't wait for the Beta

I missed something?..

 

[Tashi]

I guess I should re-read Reach. I really don't remember what's the big deal between Spartan II's or III's. Or is that explained in another book other than Fall of Reach?

Spoiler

I've only read Fall of Reach

Some of the shit you guys are talking about is way over my head.

 

[Trasher]

Bring up a good point, though as Trasher said, I think that line of dialog Jorge said was just put there to help us piece together LWG's back story.


I hadn't read the book in awhile, and if that's the exact wording on the book, then it's possible.

 

[itsgreen]

Edelman's kind of like a big deal. Powerful firm in Chicago.

Largest independent PR firm in the world. They do a lot of work for Xbox.

 

[jamaniek]

Possibly teenage female Spartan III, I hope she is hot.

You would not even touch her. She could break your penis with one finger.

And also...

spartans aren't hot Jorge

 

[NeXuSDK]

An interesting theory on AA technique used here: http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=957303

Basically he's saying that the super-smooth quality is achieved by blurring edges into the surrounding area, making the jaggies go bye-bye by tricking the human eye.

 

[Trasher]

I guess I should re-read Reach. I really don't remember what's the big deal between Spartan II's or III's. Or is that explained in another book other than Fall of Reach?

Spoiler

I've only read Fall of Reach

Some of the shit you guys are talking about is way over my head.

Reading the Fall of Reach won't clue you in on any of this stuff. I think Ghosts of Onyx is the one you want. Could be wrong because I haven't read it myself. I've only read most of this stuff online.

Yeah which totally explains why carter didn't say that but some other guy said that for some unexplained reason.

Maybe he was able to tell from the size difference and his armor? The thing that probably makes the most sense is this though:

Helmet: The MJOLNIR Helmet is one of the most vital aspects to the MJOLNIR system. It is made of Titanium and contains key features like a Heads Up Display that links to the brain and hands, and can identify equipment and display information about it when it is picked up by the wearer. Another feature is the direct neural interface system which connects to a SPARTAN-IIs neural implants. Two core processor chips are implanted into the subjects skull in the rear of the head. This is essentially comparable to an on board computer using parts of the human brain for processing - when the connector at the rear of the subjects head and receptors in the brain link to the helmets on board sensors it creates the neural link needed to move the MJOLNIR suit. The helmet also contains other equipment to protect and aid the user in hostile conditions. This includes: filters to remove toxins from the atmosphere, a supply to provide air to the wearer during EVA, thermal and motion sensors, communications, solar-powered lighting, and imaging and video gear. The helmet also contains the A.I housing, where a ship-borne A.I chip is inserted, located on the back of the helmet.

Pretty sure that helmet would be full of information as soon as he looked at LWG.

 

[BladedExpert]

I guess I should re-read Reach. I really don't remember what's the big deal between Spartan II's or III's. Or is that explained in another book other than Fall of Reach?

Spoiler

I've only read Fall of Reach

Some of the shit you guys are talking about is way over my head.

The Spartan III's are from Ghosts of Onyx. Worth a read (after First Strike) if you've read and enjoyed Fall of Reach.

All this speculating is making for a good read btw guys. Agree that LWG is probably from Beta company. Really interested to see where the others are from though.

 

[Diablohead]

I have to say this trailer has brought me back into that awesome feeling that is halo. After playing lot's of H3 I was a bit burned out and passed on ODST for now, I do plan to buy it but after watching this I really want to play it right now :lol

 

[OverHeat]

An interesthing theory on AA technique used here: http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=957303

Basically he's saying that the super-smooth quality is achieved by blurring edges into the surrounding area, making the jaggies go bye-bye by tricking the human eye.

Thx for the link

 

[soldat7]

An interesthing theory on AA technique used here: http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=957303

Basically he's saying that the super-smooth quality is achieved by blurring edges into the surrounding area, making the jaggies go bye-bye by tricking the human eye.

Maybe someone here (brain_stew?) can explain the trick that Bungie used in ODST with the VISOR. When you enabled that, the edges of many objects became extremely well defined and smooth. Perhaps Reach is using an evolution of this tech?

 

[Tashi]

Ok so I wasn't going crazy thinking I had forgotten what I read in Fall of Reach lol. Damn, looks like I gotta read First Strike and then Ghosts of Onyx. I wanna read Contact Harvest too. Oh and I have this Evolutions book I haven't touched yet because I started another book before it. Hahahaha, lots o' reading to do.

 

[The Librarian]

Reading the Fall of Reach won't clue you in on any of this stuff. I think Ghosts of Onyx is the one you want. Could be wrong because I haven't read it myself. I've only read most of this stuff online.

Yeah. Ghosts of Onyx deal with the III's.

 

[feel]

An interesthing theory on AA technique used here: http://carnage.bungie.org/haloforum/halo.forum.pl?read=957303

Basically he's saying that the super-smooth quality is achieved by blurring edges into the surrounding area, making the jaggies go bye-bye by tricking the human eye.

God, this would be so good if true.

BTW, are you the same NeXus who used to hang around the Fable 1 forums years ago before it released?

Yup, that is I...

I knew it! I used to lurk those forums, you were one of the most popular users, I even remember you visiting the studio and being so underwhelmed by the game... I was so hyped for fable1...

Spoiler

 

[Rad Agast]

Yeah which totally explains why carter didn't say that but some other guy said that for some unexplained reason.

Really? I've been reading the thread in between breaks from my Dragon Age play through. I guess I should pay more attention to who said what. So who's line was it again?

 

[NeXuSDK]

God, this would be so good if true.

BTW, are you the same NeXus who used to hang around the Fable 1 forums years ago before it released?

Yup, that is I...

BTW, Bungie, I beg you to release the music from the trailer as mp3/wma asap. It's growing on me extremely fast and atm I just have the trailer running on repeat in the background to hear the sweet, sweet notes of Marty...

 

[Trasher]

Ok so I wasn't going crazy thinking I had forgotten what I read in Fall of Reach lol. Damn, looks like I gotta read First Strike and then Ghosts of Onyx. I wanna read Contact Harvest too. Oh and I have this Evolutions book I haven't touched yet because I started another book before it. Hahahaha, lots o' reading to do.

When I read Fall of Reach I was expecting that it was going to include Spartans battling on the surface...but no. All of that stuff is included in First Strike.

 

[Zeouterlimits]

:lol :lol

Spoiler

Oh god, that's vaguely creepy.

 

[Lostconfused]

Really? I've been reading the thread in between breaks from my Dragon Age play through. I guess I should pay more attention to who said what. So who's line was it again?

I think you are misunderstanding. What I was trying to say was that Jorge made the comment about "I thought no one survived pegasi" which is really weird since we are assuming he is a spartan II and he shouldn't know anything about Spartan IIIs or their missions. While Carter clears it up for him, and then later he mentions that he read through the LWG file, which makes sense because Carter is the leader of the team.

 

[Smokey]

In what order should the books be read?

 

[EazyB]

I guess the design work they did on ODST has influenced this game's development in regards to specific gameplay aspects. Will smaller jumps, slower movement speed and fall damage return as well?

I really hope they don't revert back to the H1 system for MP in Reach. The jumping is fine in H2/3 and if anything the game should be sped up a bit back to H2 levels. I'm cool with fall damage but make it require a much greater fall than H1. Maybe make a recovery animation that'll show the character down for a sec after landing to balance it a bit if they really find it necessary.

As for the health system, all signs point to them using the two bars (shield and health) with only the shield regenerating but I really don't want to have to walk around maps looking for health packs. They made the conscious decision to exclude the non-regenerating health bar from 2 and then 3, did they think it wasn't successful or what? The shit was annoying in ODST (even disregarding the red tint and audio) and every other shooter has seen how well regenerating shields work and copied Bungie. Why can't Bungie copy Bungie?