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This was an excellent response. I laughed. 10/10 hgs
Posted on the Halo 4 thread but the anime OP that keeps on getting parodies got a new one today
Attack of Chief (Attack on Titan parody)
Attack of Chief (Attack on Titan parody)
User 73706
Banned
Hardcore babbies will get it at launch. BKs will get to ride that 343 dee by buying a Windows Phone for Assault on Egghead Mountain. Mid-way fans will be smart enough to realize you're a dumb shit if you get sucked in to GAF's hyperbolic groupthink and Windows 8 is cheap as hell and will have a start button by the time the game releases. People still desperately clinging to the idea that Combat Evolved 2 is right around the corner will bitch that they can't spend $599 on Combat Evolved 2 already and that 343 is wasting their time on a game that's being outsourced. People that think halo is dead are unaffected.
Life goes on.
Life goes on.
Are you referring to Windows 8.1 with this? Because the start button in it just takes you back to the metro menu. Windows 8 isn't expensive in any regards, I can get it at $40 at certain places and $80 at others. I think a lot of people haven't upgraded because they're afraid of change, as they've been using the same interface or another for the past 20+ years.
Not saying it's going to work but I'm sure it'll get a couple of fence sitters over the edge.
Steelyuhas
Member
Correct they are putting a Start Button on the desktop because apparently users were confused about using the corner where the Start Button always was. Now it's more idiot proof.
Start Screen > Start Menu IMO
Wrong because it's an OS designed with touch/mobile devices in mind. Why would anyone who has a desktop with a non touch monitor or someone who has a laptop with a non touch screen get Windows 8?
The only reason it has such high adoption is because they forced it onto consumers with all new purchases. So many people downgraded back to Windows 7 while others have loudly complained.
There are tons of sites, that show you how superior Windows 7 with Aero is to Windows 8. Forget Metro, even the basic desktop. It's a step backwards in every regard.
The start button, and other features reduced redundancy. It's much easier to click a button with a mouse than it is to grab a window, bring it to the right and down to close it. Or to move mouse in the corner and wait for the settings to pop up.
Nearly every computer manufacturer has claimed windows 8 is a flop and blames Microsoft.
They're upset not because they've been using the interface for so long, but because it was designed around a mouse and keyboard. This new OS isn't designed around that much.
And MS realized it and is now releasing an update that will allow you to boot straight to desktop mode. But then why even give people Metro?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Remember Me was good. Better than expected. Still has some issues, but has an awesome world.
"People on Internet gaming forums hate Palmer" is not an indicator of quality or sound thinking.
You're right. I mean Halo fans on several gaming sites and message boards talking about how they all loathe a character is not sound thinking. And then releasing a game starring a character a lot of people hate is much better right? This isn't just a few people talking. This is based on my experience with months and months of posting after launch on multiple sites.
How is that any better than the start button then? They developed the start button for precisely that reason, because it reduces redundancy. Just like having an X to close program or window.
Don't get me wrong I would like it to be the was but the way it is now isn't really that bad.
The way some people act is like a function like Start doesn't exist at all :/
You're not crazy, you're looking for a job. After 6 months of illogically berating people who critiqued Halo 4, it's not surprising that you illogically support a product that is anti-consumer and will be dead on arrival.
But that's just it. So many people defend Windows 8 saying things like, it can work like Windows 7, it's not so bad etc.
And yet my point is, it is bad for people with desktops and who still use mice/touchpads. Windows 8 is only faster, but it's a step back in nearly every way to Windows 7.
Whether it's the corner pop up controls, things like grabbing a program and holding it to right and swiping down to get rid of it.
'hey son, how do I shut down the computer?' 'you have to bring your cursor to the bottom right, wait for the pop up, and then click the relevant power, shutdown'. How is that better than click start, click shutdown?
And there are numerous sites that break it down. This has been a waste of an OS for many people, and they bring up that while it is faster than Windows 7, they've taken a step backwards in a lot of way. Why would anyone upgrade? Anyone who uses Windows 7? What benefits does Windows 8 give them.
And every single PC manufacturer blames Microsoft, devs like Gabe Newell are saying Windows 8 is a catastrophe to develop for etc.
Ozzy Onya A2Z
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I'm guessing from the Halo 4 engine some of the below, any other additions?
1. Native 1080p or higher support. Halo 4 already drastically redeveloped the engine for native 720p support, something Bungie never did. I don't see them redeveloping that just for the 360 so I call this one done and ready for next generation, possible 4K too. I wonder if the next gen Halo engine/game is the poster child for Azure based cloud graphical elements processing?
2. Netcode and mechanics won't be the same as current gen Halo due to dedicated servers. I wonder if they're going to keep two engine versions or they have built switching systems into one engine?
3. Azure, we already know Halo 4 uses/pioneered development with the Azure team. How far along is this development and again if they released Halo 4 with Azure now how much further will the 360 delve into the X1 territory or servers? This also points towards next gen development starting a long time ago with Azure experience.
4. Game assets, we already know of redeveloped character models, animation, mocap, facial mocap, audio etc so this part as far as I'm concerned is ready to. The CGI, the comics, the in game, the terminals and more are most likely off the shelf somewhat now.
5. Real life assets, they have vehicles, actors, uniforms, sets, weapons, Spartans, audio etc I wonder if this goes directly to Halo TV and/or TV spots etc?
6. Universe lore, they have campaign, SPOPS/CGI and writers with a mostly unified canon across all media these days. I wonder how far the next gen launch title or Halo 5 has been written already? The bulk of which must have been some time ago. I wonder what books are being written right now?
7. Cross devices and generation features, they already have Spartan Assault linking back to Halo 4, waypoint site/apps and Azure integration. Could we see multiple games/devices all contributing to a persistent universe/game moving forward?
8. Playlist management/cadence, sustain team/processes, an improved tuning system and community involvement/creations as well as they're launch experiences. This points to an improved Azure based core game, perhaps future next gen Halo games won't require such TU's or lengthy approval/conversion processes? Perhaps background AI or events can be ongoing or shared in Azure?
9. Tournaments, ranking & esports, I see this as purposefully missing from Halo 4 to really sell X1 and an in game ranking system in parallel to tournaments, streaming features of X1 etc. They have the Virgin experience, they developed CSR and it's matched in game but not displayed in game plus they now have a great marketing alignment with the X1 to really make a massive push in this territory. Not to mention hiring pros/talent for competitive focus.
From this basic analysis I wonder how close the next gen title or Halo 5 really is? Could we see these at launch of X1? I think it possible, at least plausible.
1. Native 1080p or higher support. Halo 4 already drastically redeveloped the engine for native 720p support, something Bungie never did. I don't see them redeveloping that just for the 360 so I call this one done and ready for next generation, possible 4K too. I wonder if the next gen Halo engine/game is the poster child for Azure based cloud graphical elements processing?
2. Netcode and mechanics won't be the same as current gen Halo due to dedicated servers. I wonder if they're going to keep two engine versions or they have built switching systems into one engine?
3. Azure, we already know Halo 4 uses/pioneered development with the Azure team. How far along is this development and again if they released Halo 4 with Azure now how much further will the 360 delve into the X1 territory or servers? This also points towards next gen development starting a long time ago with Azure experience.
4. Game assets, we already know of redeveloped character models, animation, mocap, facial mocap, audio etc so this part as far as I'm concerned is ready to. The CGI, the comics, the in game, the terminals and more are most likely off the shelf somewhat now.
5. Real life assets, they have vehicles, actors, uniforms, sets, weapons, Spartans, audio etc I wonder if this goes directly to Halo TV and/or TV spots etc?
6. Universe lore, they have campaign, SPOPS/CGI and writers with a mostly unified canon across all media these days. I wonder how far the next gen launch title or Halo 5 has been written already? The bulk of which must have been some time ago. I wonder what books are being written right now?
7. Cross devices and generation features, they already have Spartan Assault linking back to Halo 4, waypoint site/apps and Azure integration. Could we see multiple games/devices all contributing to a persistent universe/game moving forward?
8. Playlist management/cadence, sustain team/processes, an improved tuning system and community involvement/creations as well as they're launch experiences. This points to an improved Azure based core game, perhaps future next gen Halo games won't require such TU's or lengthy approval/conversion processes? Perhaps background AI or events can be ongoing or shared in Azure?
9. Tournaments, ranking & esports, I see this as purposefully missing from Halo 4 to really sell X1 and an in game ranking system in parallel to tournaments, streaming features of X1 etc. They have the Virgin experience, they developed CSR and it's matched in game but not displayed in game plus they now have a great marketing alignment with the X1 to really make a massive push in this territory. Not to mention hiring pros/talent for competitive focus.
From this basic analysis I wonder how close the next gen title or Halo 5 really is? Could we see these at launch of X1? I think it possible, at least plausible.
Orochinagis
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I got Win8 at 10 bucks as a part of a promotion, never used the metro design and Im always on the Win7 interface.
I hope they will release a demo or something.
I hope they will release a demo or something.
hows it anti consumer?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Oh get over yourself Kyle. 343 isn't even making the damn game. If you seriously think I believe I will get a job at 343 by posting on NeoGaf you're more delusional then I thought. Shit, you must believe having to buy a PS3 for Gran Turismo is "anti-consumer" too.
You seem like a cool dude, and I laugh when you poke fun, but this shit is ridiculous. A grown-ass man believing that I am merely saying I like Halo 4 and that this new game looks decent because I'm pandering for a job at 343 when none of the 343 people here are recruiters, nor here to find the next 343 employee. I do want a job at 343, and I go about trying to land that job like a normal person, by submitting a resume. I don't need to launch a pro Halo campaign to get there.
It is fully possible that I like Halo 4 for what it is, yet have issues with it. It is also possible I think this mobile Halo game looks cool. None of this has anything to do with my personal job hunt in the industry. I also resent the "berating" comment. My discussions rarely turn to name-calling and are always light hearted. Multiple people here can confirm that.
1)It isn't made by 343 (I loved Gatling Gears)
2)It looks fun
Even though I hate to admit that profits from this will just go towards making more Infinity stuff in Halo 5
Hydranockz
Member
Hire juices. He has a deep hatred for wallowing in mediocrity.
xxjuicesxx
Member
Further proof they named it 343 industries because thast how many companies work on their games!
HEYOOOOOOOOO
But for real, when is 343 going to release their first game? I hear they are a talented group of people so I'm pretty excited for it.
HEYOOOOOOOOO
But for real, when is 343 going to release their first game? I hear they are a talented group of people so I'm pretty excited for it.
Yes, this is all extremely impressive...
...if you've never paid attention to any other game developer in your life.
And all that talent's you baby, you got the job!
In all honesty I don't see them jumping to full 1080p in one go. They certainly aren't going higher because of the nextbox's GPU. 4k requires a hell of a lot of power. I think someone running BF3 at 4k required two damn titans...
That cloud processing is crap too. I'm sure someone in gaming side could explain better, but even the simplest of tasks are immensely bandwidth heavy and subject to latency. And in contrast to inner components will not give the engine any extra horsepower. I think someone worked out that the AI from a vita game would require 3.5gb an hour... Good luck downloading that, haha.
I do hope that 343i choose to use dedicated servers. I can see them sticking to P2P as the code is already there though.
I'd give it another year. No way they're pushing out a next gen Halo just a year after Halo 4. Look how much was rushed with that and they had some four years in total.
Because:
Who are these "many people"?
You can still do that.
It was built to be a hybrid OS, so that it could be on tablets, smartphones, etc. It's all part of the newly repackaged Windows branding. Desktop is not irrevocably changed, certain things make improvements(ribbon menu) while others take a step or two back, I won't disagree. Keyboard shortcuts still remain as well, however.
I think what you meant to ask was: "Why can't Desktop users disable Metro?"
Are you serious? If you really want there are programs which allow people to have the exact same Startbar that Windows 7 has. All the start menu really is, is a visualized Startbar. It's practically purpose built for the average everyday person.
You can close a program the same way you've always closed it.
It's a minor inconvenience I give you that. MS lacks foresight, but you make it sound criminal.
Refer to the five reasons I listed earlier.
I won't lie I didn't follow that bit much, that said I've got Steam and it works just fine, so I guess Gaben was wrong.
xxjuicesxx
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Ozzy Onya A2Z
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That is precisely my point. Don't you think the engine/studio/assets were all being redeveloped for next gen and 10 years of delivering Halo? Halo 4 to me is the stop gap in between Reach & X1 and is a scaled back version branch of what is to come. All the DLC & tweaks out before X1 reveal and E3 for next gen release this year...hmmm.
Reach TU = experience with Halo engine/matchmaking
Halo 4 = experience with full blown studio, games, all media etc. It also = redevelopment of all things Halo for next gen.
Halo 5/next title = full stride to leverage all that hardwork and experience hence why I think it's possible a title is closer than we think.
Care to elaborate?
The larger franchises or developments in many forms of media think further ahead than one game development on aging hardware. Look at LOTR or Hobbit or Halo 2/3 and all their asset re-purposing, features moved from one production to the next, audio snippets shared etc. I'm not trying to say it's a shoe in for Halo 5 at launch but I certainly think it's possible for Halo 5 or a Halo launch title given what has taken place with a new studio like 343i. They were literally built with the ideal all things Halo for the next 10 years.
Phone games and console games are not even remotely comparable given the costs involved with phone hardware and contracts. If I buy a PS3 I'm not locked into that console for 2 years nor do I have to pay $100 a month to use it. When you arbitrarily release a product on a platform with 2% marketshare + enormous paywalls + timed contracts for a franchise that previously featured none of those restrictions, for the sole reason of trying to push sales of a niche product, that is a smart business practice but also anti-consumer.
And saying you merely like Halo 4 and that the new game looks decent is a joke given the relentless crusade against any and all negative comments about Halo 4 prior to release. If you think you come across as a neutral party, and that after a year of overwhelmingly positive comments about Halo products followed by a request on Twitter for a job involving Halo products, that there is no possible reason someone could see a connection there; you're the delusional one.
User 73706
Banned
"why won't the company i constantly shit on over the internet in front of the franchise director give me an interview?"
I remember when MS used Shadowrun to try and sell Vista and their cross-platform nonsense. Saying that it needed Vista for DirectX10, then it got cracked to play on XP in about a month. This all reeks of corporate bullshit. Sell your game in as many places as you can, and sell it on its merits as a video game. Don't use it to push your struggling platform so you can check some more boxes and releases statements saying how you have exclusive titles from AAA developers.
It blows my mind how MS does this shit constantly, GFWL needs to die, and this nonsense has to stop. I just want to play your games on the stuff I already own that uses your products in the first place.
I have a Windows 7 PC and an Xbox 360, yet I can't play this new Halo game because they want to sell me their shit.
Fuck off.
It blows my mind how MS does this shit constantly, GFWL needs to die, and this nonsense has to stop. I just want to play your games on the stuff I already own that uses your products in the first place.
I have a Windows 7 PC and an Xbox 360, yet I can't play this new Halo game because they want to sell me their shit.
Fuck off.
Mmm. As much as I'd like to see it, I just think that they'd have too much to do in a year. Sure they may have developed things to be scalable during the Halo 4 dev process.. But I don't think that would be enough to push out another AAA game in such a short time. Especially considering that they're supposed to be developing for an entirely new platform with a completely different architecture than the 360.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
After spending the last week or two playing around with Steam Big picture mode and XBMC. I'm not so sure I want a new console. One of the driving forces behind getting a new console was to keep up with current gen games. While Sony and MS each have some games I like the big time sinks for me are mostly Multiplatform titles like CoD,BF,AssCreed,Borderlands ect.
Hopefully Ill land a job soon and I can afford everything but a high end gaming PC + HTPC fusion is looking really appealing right now.
Hopefully Ill land a job soon and I can afford everything but a high end gaming PC + HTPC fusion is looking really appealing right now.
xxjuicesxx
Member
iknorite?
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Good points. I don't know, I'm just disappointed in it. I would much rather have preferred a metro disable feature since I go straight to desktop.
I think Microsoft just overestimated how prevalent touchscreens and touch laptops would get. It's why most PC builders and custom makers still provide Windows 7 online and why so many are downgrading.
I think a short time after Windows 8 released, Allard fired the guy who developed it because of his insistence that metro was the future.
Thanks though.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
The phone note is obvious, but the game is releasing on Windows 8 as well. Also if you'd been following my comments about the game you'd have seen that I have mentioned multiple times that I do wish the game was on iOS and XBLA. My opinions were on the game itself, not necessarily the policy surrounding its release platforms.
I've addressed the prior to release comments already and noted that I was indeed a bit overzealous. It happened to more than just myself in HaloGaf. I have since listed my issues with Halo 4, but I'm not going to post them every day just so I hit my negative Halo comment quota that seems to exist before you're taken seriously by some members here.
If you believe for one second that I am forcing myself to like Halo 4 and 343 products, and forcing myself to post largely positive comments here about the game and company just to get a job you are again, delusional. I would never force myself to play a game I do not enjoy playing just to appear to be pro-company in order to land a job. No one that hires posts here, and no one that hires sees me playing Halo 4 every week. It's insane to think everything I do, and all the opinions I have are merely a facade I put up to lure 343 into hiring me.
Sure, it's logical to see a connection like that, but it's just not there. My job hunting priorities and my posting here are entirely separate (unless something is specifically mentioned). I'm not sure what you'd like me to do to appease you, post negative comments about Halo and 343 every single day to prove I'm not merely job pandering? I have my own opinions, and if you don't respect them there's really nothing more I can say. I put up with all the shots at myself and my character and qualify them all as good fun, but if you want to continue to believe the sole reason I've been on HaloGaf since around 2008 is just to get a job, you're sorely mistaken. If my posting leads there so be it, but I am not "theming" my posts for a job.
If people truly hate how I post I can quit posting in HaloGaf, but from meeting individuals here and having discussions with everyone else I do really enjoy this place and all of the members (yes, including you). I'd hate to have to leave just because someone thinks my posts are a front for another cause.
(Sorry to everyone else for the rant, but I really don't know what else to do here).
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Just Relax.
Where are you even getting this from? Citation maybe?
Steelyuhas
Member
Bolded obviously
Gabe rips Windows 8 because it offers a service (games and apps through the Windows Store) that threatens his business, he's frightened that games being released through the Windows Store will mean less games being purchased through his product. Windows 8 development being a catastrophe is blatantly false, developing for the desktop hasn't changed in any way, including Gabe's companies Steam working on Windows 8 the same way it work on Windows 7. Developing for the new framework is very easy and approachable even for someone such as myself that doesn't have a ton of programming experience outside of web apps. The funny kicker is that Steam users have adapted Windows 8 as a significantly greater clip than the overall population.
It took Windows 7 nearly 3 years from release to surpass an 11 year old operating system in market share. Windows 8's success or failure is not determined overnight or in six months. It will be determined over years, and it will continue to evolve as computing as a whole goes through a transition phase through changes in user behavior, the OS itself, the platform and ecosystems, and devices themselves.
On a related note, does anyone else wonder how the story will be?
I mean I was playing ODST again. After Halo 3, the humans were defeated. The military might at Reach smashed and glassed. All the major colonies destroyed.
If Reach falls, so goes Earth. And Earth fell too. The UNSC orbital fleet destroyed, cities like New Mombasa destroyed, the planet falling into the hands of the Covenant. Billions died etc.
And in Halo 4, they are a superpower within 4 short years, better than ever. Where did they get the money, the time, the knowhow to do any of it so quickly?
And this takes place between Halo 3 and Halo 4. So how would they be able to mount an attack against the Covenant again? And Palmer was an ODST, so how is she fully augmented and in her Mjolnir Scout armor so quickly?
Maybe someone can explain it better. I haven't cared much about the story after Halo 3.
EDIT: got shit on by Steely... That's informative. Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass on Windows 8 then.
I mean I was playing ODST again. After Halo 3, the humans were defeated. The military might at Reach smashed and glassed. All the major colonies destroyed.
If Reach falls, so goes Earth. And Earth fell too. The UNSC orbital fleet destroyed, cities like New Mombasa destroyed, the planet falling into the hands of the Covenant. Billions died etc.
And in Halo 4, they are a superpower within 4 short years, better than ever. Where did they get the money, the time, the knowhow to do any of it so quickly?
And this takes place between Halo 3 and Halo 4. So how would they be able to mount an attack against the Covenant again? And Palmer was an ODST, so how is she fully augmented and in her Mjolnir Scout armor so quickly?
Maybe someone can explain it better. I haven't cared much about the story after Halo 3.
EDIT: got shit on by Steely... That's informative. Maybe I'm just talking out of my ass on Windows 8 then.
Steelyuhas
Member
I certainly can't explain it. The reason why the UNSC is even fighting the Covenant is never stated, they were broken after Halo 3, and then we are fighting what appears to be a fully formed Covenant again without explanation.
It's explained in the books (I know, I know). Plus didn't something else tell us why? Like FuD or something? I remember something other than the books telling us why we were fighting Storm.
This is a good write up on the splinter group in 4:
The Storm attacked humans on Requiem first since they believe it's sacred and that the human presence on it is blasphemous. (So the same reason as the fights on the Halos)
Here's the wiki page on the Servants of Abiding Truth
Demigod_Elessar said:
The Storm attacked humans on Requiem first since they believe it's sacred and that the human presence on it is blasphemous. (So the same reason as the fights on the Halos)
Here's the wiki page on the Servants of Abiding Truth
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