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Haha, do you forget which corporation we're talking about here? Come on Gavin, you're smarter than that!
I know...

But I know there are plenty of people at MS who do get it, who knows how to win the people who want to won.
They just... are far enough away from the decision makers...

Looking forward to a hungrier Microsoft in a few years, back to the smarter and upbeat 05-07 days.
 

TCKaos

Member
It's not the amount. I've no doubt spent less than most here on MSP in the last 7.5 years.

The issue is that, until this moment, Microsoft Points policy was "they never expire." The only exception to that was promotional points. Any points purchased we were told would never expire.

Now we're being told that for precisely no reason other than greed, Microsoft is going to take to the bank anything in your account a little over a year from now. It's plain wrong, and that's why I'm "throwing a tantrum."

The physical equivalent would be if, at this point in time, the United States decided for no real reason that notes and bonds could not be exchanged for currency. You already bought the bond from them, the US now had your money in exchange for a currency that you could then exchange for a good at some point, and then they arbitrarily decided that they weren't going to let you purchase goods. It's like if they broke your door down and took the notes and bonds back.

It's theft. Microsoft, if they don't allow those points to be converted, are committing some form of theft in a philosophical sense and possibly fraud in a legal sense.
 

heckfu

Banned
The physical equivalent would be if, at this point in time, the United States decided for no real reason that notes and bonds could not be exchanged for currency. You already bought the bond from them, the US now had your money in exchange for a currency that you could then exchange for a good at some point, and then they arbitrarily decided that they weren't going to let you purchase goods. It's like if they broke your door down and took the notes and bonds back.

HYPERBOLE MACHINE ENGAGED
 
It's not the amount. I've no doubt spent less than most here on MSP in the last 7.5 years.

The issue is that, until this moment, Microsoft Points policy was "they never expire." The only exception to that was promotional points. Any points purchased we were told would never expire.

Now we're being told that for precisely no reason other than greed, Microsoft is going to take to the bank anything in your account a little over a year from now. It's plain wrong, and that's why I'm "throwing a tantrum."

If its not the amount, does it effect you personally? I mean when they change over and remove all the points will you get a portion of points large enough to be significant taken away? If not then why do you care. Many people likely won't ever feel the effect of this, Only those who spent stupid amounts during sale periods.

Its like DRM, I'm not going to be affected by that in anyway. I have good internet and I buy new games. The nerds can stomp their feet about how their human rights are being imposed upon all they want. Makes no difference to me. But apparently I'm evil and frowned upon by communities like NeoGAF for buying a product I think looks good.

This whole thing seems like another excuse for people to jump on the MS hate train, This entire site is near unreadable now because its filled with people raving on like lunatics with anti-ms + pro-sony spiel.

The points issue is wrong, I agree is seems unnecessary to remove them. They have every right its in the TOS you agree to when you buy points but its a dick move still.
 
The physical equivalent would be if, at this point in time, the United States decided for no real reason that notes and bonds could not be exchanged for currency. You already bought the bond from them, the US now had your money in exchange for a currency that you could then exchange for a good at some point, and then they arbitrarily decided that they weren't going to let you purchase goods. It's like if they broke your door down and took the notes and bonds back.

It's theft. Microsoft, if they don't allow those points to be converted, are committing some form of theft in a philosophical sense and possibly fraud in a legal sense.

HYPERBOLE MACHINE ENGAGED

Since bonds are subject to current law and deflation/inflation, let me provide a better example:

Hypertrooper really loved the Deutsche Mark.

Then Germany decided they will use the Euro.

Hypertrooper was sad, but he could exchange his Deutsche Marks for Euros and use those Euros whenever he liked.

Then Microsoft said that all Euros that were the result of an exchange of Deutsche Marks could only be spent within the next year.

Hypertrooper had just retired from his job of 30+ years and had planned on living off his savings.

Now Hypertrooper is (x)boned.
 

IHaveIce

Banned
Most likely getting Destiny on PS4

This!
Since bonds are subject to current law and deflation/inflation, let me provide a better example:

Hypertrooper really loved the Deutsche Mark.

Then Germany decided they will use the Euro.

Hypertrooper was sad, but he could exchange his Deutsche Marks for Euros and use those Euros whenever he liked.

Then Microsoft said that all Euros that were the result of an exchange of Deutsche Marks could only be spent within the next year.

Hypertrooper had just retired from his job of 30+ years and had planned on living off his savings.

Now Hypertrooper is (x)boned.

Man I miss the Deutsche Mark :(
 

Thermite

Member
I doubt its upload, not many people in the US have 1.5 up. Most cable companies are 1mb or below. DSL forget it.

It's down. It has to be. I can't believe the alternative.

Yeah, download speed makes the most sense, but with some of their wacky decisions lately it honestly wouldn't surprise me if it was upload, lol. Especially with the internet speeds dealing with the cloud, which I'm assuming uploads a ton of information.
 
Yeah, download speed makes the most sense, but with some of their wacky decisions lately it honestly wouldn't surprise me if it was upload, lol. Especially with the internet speeds dealing with the cloud, which I'm assuming uploads a ton of information.

Although I wouldn't put it past them at this point, download makes more sense. In most cases with cloud computing, you input (upload) some smaller set of data for it to perform calculations on and return a larger set containing results and whatnot.

Ex: OnLive - you upload your control input and download the resulting visual data (simplified, but whatever).
 

Duji

Member
Anyone else feel the hate on X1 is just a little too much? Okay, the used games thing I can understand from a consumer perspective, but even then you gotta think about the people who make games and the fact that they don't even get a penny from used games (refer to Heckfu's post from awhile back). The complaining regarding the "connect once every 24 hrs" policy just crosses the line if you ask me.

"What about the people with fuzzy internet connections?!" The X1 just needs to do a simple handshake with the Xbox servers once every 24 hours. If your internet is unable to do this on a consistent basis then you literally have the worst ISP of all time and should probably ask yourself why you're giving them money every month in the first place. Dial-up would probably work, too.

"What about the people who don't have internet?" The few people who are complaining and ACTUALLY don't have internet at all reminds me of the people who complained about not being able to see subtitles in Mass Effect 3 when they played the game on their tube TVs. Really? Get with the times, people. I suppose I do feel kind of sorry for people who don't even have access to internet, but they honestly shouldn't be surprised that the list of things requiring internet grows every year.

The MS points thing is bullshit, btw.
 
I'm not condoning this btw. Its a shitty tactic. I just can't see why some people would have so many points just sitting doing nothing for such a long time. Buy them when you need them.


You have kids? How about TCO for a system that charges a service online? You know how every year there are games with DLC? Well if you are smart (up until now) you could basically get all your DLC for 50% off. Gift your kid when they do well in school etc. Some may have been planning to stock up to buy some titles digital and maybe save $15 a game or so.

It's shitty. There is no reason if they are converting them to ever expire them. Once it's converted into dollars it's money, not points.

Didn't Gamestop get in trouble for expiring giftcards a while back? After a year or so they would dock you a certain amount per month?
 
You have kids? How about TCO for a system that charges a service online? You know how every year there are games with DLC? Well if you are smart (up until now) you could basically get all your DLC for 50% off. Gift your kid when they do well in school etc. Some may have been planning to stock up to buy some titles digital and maybe save $15 a game or so.

I don't have kids... yet. But if you did this you're a great dad.
 
If its not the amount, does it effect you personally? I mean when they change over and remove all the points will you get a portion of points large enough to be significant taken away? If not then why do you care. Many people likely won't ever feel the effect of this, Only those who spent stupid amounts during sale periods.

Any amount should be reason to care. Because many people value their money and the things they buy with it.

It is not up to Microsoft (or you or me) to decide X amount of money that is deemed impactful. I don't get how someone doesn't see this.

People bought points in good faith and that's completely gone in my eyes.
 

LAUGHTREY

Modesty becomes a woman
Anyone else feel the hate on X1 is just a little too much? Okay, the used games thing I can understand from a consumer perspective, but even then you gotta think about the people who make games and the fact that they don't even get a penny from used games (refer to Heckfu's post from awhile back). The complaining regarding the "connect once every 24 hrs" policy just crosses the line if you ask me.

"What about the people with fuzzy internet connections?!" The X1 just needs to do a simple handshake with the Xbox servers once every 24 hours. If your internet is unable to do this on a consistent basis then you literally have the worst ISP of all time and should probably ask yourself why you're giving them money every month in the first place. Dial-up would probably work, too.

"What about the people who don't have internet?" The few people who are complaining and ACTUALLY don't have internet at all reminds me of the people who complained about not being able to see subtitles in Mass Effect 3 when they played the game on their tube TVs. Really? Get with the times, people. I suppose I do feel kind of sorry for people who don't even have access to internet, but they honestly shouldn't be surprised that the list of things requiring internet grows every year.

The MS points thing is bullshit, btw.

Who is actually saying this?

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My internet shits on everyones internet. It's uptime is 100% since 2006, I've never had an outage.

When I bought D3 and went to play it, I couldn't for 2 weeks because their servers were shitting out every 5 minutes. When people bought Simcity they could barely play it for a month. What happens if the uptime is 6/7 days but the 1 day its down is your day off from work/school? What happens if it gets hacked and goes down like PSN did for 3 months?

No one is on an internet message board complaining about not having internet. Get it through your thick heads: Their service will go down, and your internet and power and guinea pig will be working, and you still won't be able to play your video games.

Oh hey, what happens if your account that has all your games tied to it gets hacked? You're just SOL for MP for a while right? Oh wait...
 

Plywood

NeoGAF's smiling token!
>tfw when you buy an xbone day one and cant even login to play your games because the cloud is full of people trying to login as well

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LAUGHTREY

Modesty becomes a woman
>tfw when you buy an xbone day one and cant even login to play your games because the cloud is full of people trying to login as well

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And honestly, they'd be stupid to provide enough bandwidth for launch usage. It will never be as stressed as that first week, so any extra servers they have will be a waste of money.

I have a few bridges to sell people who believe the Xbone live service will work in the 14 days/month following release.
 

Booshka

Member
>tfw when you buy an xbone day one and cant even login to play your games because the cloud is full of people trying to login as well

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God I hope that causes some people to not unlock that stupid achievement for having it Day One. Would be such a great storyline if they couldn't log in day one because the servers are crowded, so a huge section of the population doesn't get the achievement for it.

I would love to read MS support forums if that happens. All the kids crying.

Edit: DAT IMAGE COMBO
 
Buying fake money with real money only to be told that your fake money is going to expire in a year after you agreed to purchase them is weak.

MS policies are shitty as fuck. Someone in charge of MS Gaming needs to get real. So embarrassing*

*I'm still getting the Xbox One, shut up I want to play the games still and I have to pick my battles and this I dont care much about. Still, the policies are dumb moneygrabs.
 
So what's this about points? Will I lose them and if so, when?

I'm not condoning this btw. Its a shitty tactic. I just can't see why some people would have so many points just sitting doing nothing for such a long time. Buy them when you need them.

When the Microsoft Store sold 1200 points for $5 I bought a good amount.


-EDIT-

Really good 34min Killer Instinct gameplay video with Gootecks and friends, Ends with a 73 hit combo.

Youtube

I'm SO pumped for this game! The fighting game community already has mad hype, but now combine that with a game like KI that BLEEDS HYPE?!

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Anyone else feel the hate on X1 is just a little too much? Okay, the used games thing I can understand from a consumer perspective, but even then you gotta think about the people who make games and the fact that they don't even get a penny from used games (refer to Heckfu's post from awhile back). The complaining regarding the "connect once every 24 hrs" policy just crosses the line if you ask me.

"What about the people with fuzzy internet connections?!" The X1 just needs to do a simple handshake with the Xbox servers once every 24 hours. If your internet is unable to do this on a consistent basis then you literally have the worst ISP of all time and should probably ask yourself why you're giving them money every month in the first place. Dial-up would probably work, too.

"What about the people who don't have internet?" The few people who are complaining and ACTUALLY don't have internet at all reminds me of the people who complained about not being able to see subtitles in Mass Effect 3 when they played the game on their tube TVs. Really? Get with the times, people. I suppose I do feel kind of sorry for people who don't even have access to internet, but they honestly shouldn't be surprised that the list of things requiring internet grows every year.

The MS points thing is bullshit, btw.

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heckfu

Banned
Anyone else feel the hate on X1 is just a little too much? Okay, the used games thing I can understand from a consumer perspective, but even then you gotta think about the people who make games and the fact that they don't even get a penny from used games (refer to Heckfu's post from awhile back). The complaining regarding the "connect once every 24 hrs" policy just crosses the line if you ask me.

"What about the people with fuzzy internet connections?!" The X1 just needs to do a simple handshake with the Xbox servers once every 24 hours. If your internet is unable to do this on a consistent basis then you literally have the worst ISP of all time and should probably ask yourself why you're giving them money every month in the first place. Dial-up would probably work, too.

"What about the people who don't have internet?" The few people who are complaining and ACTUALLY don't have internet at all reminds me of the people who complained about not being able to see subtitles in Mass Effect 3 when they played the game on their tube TVs. Really? Get with the times, people. I suppose I do feel kind of sorry for people who don't even have access to internet, but they honestly shouldn't be surprised that the list of things requiring internet grows every year.

The MS points thing is bullshit, btw.

I appreciate this post. I don't really have much more to add, but thought I'd let you know I read it.
 

Duji

Member
Who is actually saying this?

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My internet shits on everyones internet. It's uptime is 100% since 2006, I've never had an outage.

When I bought D3 and went to play it, I couldn't for 2 weeks because their servers were shitting out every 5 minutes. When people bought Simcity they could barely play it for a month. What happens if the uptime is 6/7 days but the 1 day its down is your day off from work/school? What happens if it gets hacked and goes down like PSN did for 3 months?

No one is on an internet message board complaining about not having internet. Get it through your thick heads: Their service will go down, and your internet and power and guinea pig will be working, and you still won't be able to play your video games.

No one is doubting that their service will go down eventually. But when you think about it, this is only a problem if they are completely unable to get it back up within 24 hours of going down. Both 360 and X1 users will be affected in the exact same way if the servers were to go down every 5 minutes like what happened with D3 -- they will be able to play offline but not online. Have the XBL servers ever been unanticipatedly offline (on MS's end) for at least 24 hours straight in the past few years? If the service does get hacked like the PSN and MS is unable to do anything to let us play offline during that time, then they will probably give us something in return like a free game or free XBL for some allotted time.

Oh hey, what happens if your account that has all your games tied to it gets hacked? You're just SOL for MP for a while right? Oh wait...
This is a valid concern. We need MS to make sure our shit doesn't get hacked.

I appreciate this post. I don't really have much more to add, but thought I'd let you know I read it.
Thanks. It feels like everyone is super mad right now.
 

Fracas

#fuckonami
Anyone else feel the hate on X1 is just a little too much? Okay, the used games thing I can understand from a consumer perspective, but even then you gotta think about the people who make games and the fact that they don't even get a penny from used games (refer to Heckfu's post from awhile back). The complaining regarding the "connect once every 24 hrs" policy just crosses the line if you ask me.

"What about the people with fuzzy internet connections?!" The X1 just needs to do a simple handshake with the Xbox servers once every 24 hours. If your internet is unable to do this on a consistent basis then you literally have the worst ISP of all time and should probably ask yourself why you're giving them money every month in the first place. Dial-up would probably work, too.

"What about the people who don't have internet?" The few people who are complaining and ACTUALLY don't have internet at all reminds me of the people who complained about not being able to see subtitles in Mass Effect 3 when they played the game on their tube TVs. Really? Get with the times, people. I suppose I do feel kind of sorry for people who don't even have access to internet, but they honestly shouldn't be surprised that the list of things requiring internet grows every year.

The MS points thing is bullshit, btw.

None of the Xbox One's policies really affect me personally, but I'm not buying the thing because of the many people that are. There is an alternative system with better hardware and none of these policies that is also $100 cheaper. I'd much rather support that philosophy. Not to mention the fact that the franchise that basically defined gaming for me is no longer a system seller in my eyes.
 
Sounds like you're one of the countries where you'll actually be able to use the xboned
Yup.

I have close friends, 360 only owners, who go still regularly 3+ weeks without internet because of their living arrangements. Over Christmas when I was there my parents internet went down for a week. A €500 machine that won't let me play my games when the competition does is ridiculous.
None of the Xbox One's policies really affect me personally, but I'm not buying the thing because of the many people that are. There is an alternative system with better hardware and none of these policies that is also $100 cheaper. I'd much rather support that philosophy. Not to mention the fact that the franchise that basically defined gaming for me is no longer a system seller in my eyes.
Well said.
 

Sai-kun

Banned
None of the Xbox One's policies really affect me personally, but I'm not buying the thing because of the many people that are. There is an alternative system with better hardware and none of these policies that is also $100 cheaper. I'd much rather support that philosophy. Not to mention the fact that the franchise that basically defined gaming for me is no longer a system seller in my eyes.

I appreciate this post. I don't really have much more to add, but thought I'd let you know I read it.
 

Duji

Member
Sounds like you're one of the countries where you'll actually be able to use the xboned

You actually have a reason to be mad, though. I was mainly talking about the people who are complaining about things that won't affect them contrary to what they think. And yes, I live in Canada.
 

Overdoziz

Banned
None of the Xbox One's policies really affect me personally, but I'm not buying the thing because of the many people that are. There is an alternative system with better hardware and none of these policies that is also $100 cheaper. I'd much rather support that philosophy. Not to mention the fact that the franchise that basically defined gaming for me is no longer a system seller in my eyes.
I appreciate this post. I don't really have much more to add, but thought I'd let you know I read it.
 
Anyone else feel the hate on X1 is just a little too much? Okay, the used games thing I can understand from a consumer perspective, but even then you gotta think about the people who make games and the fact that they don't even get a penny from used games (refer to Heckfu's post from awhile back). The complaining regarding the "connect once every 24 hrs" policy just crosses the line if you ask me

I recommend reading this post from a thread last month.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=59545309

Well, this is the disconnect I guess. You admit you only hold this view because of the detrimental effects (you think) are impacting the industry. You are asserting that a fundamental aspect of property rights and consumer rights as it has existed since the beginning of trade should be adjusted and recodified on a per-industry basis, not because it's inherently bad or unethical, but just because you think it's a threat to the industry's health. Which means you are essentially arguing for protectionism for corporations--consumers are free to exercise their consumer rights only up to a certain point, but if that free exercise is perceived to threaten the viability of the industry, then their rights must be limited in order to save the industry.

I don't think I can put into words my disgust at this demeaning display of groveling at the feet of your game developer overlords. Even a die-hard laissez-faire capitalist would not be so subservient, because even a capitalist would accept that sometimes industries die and that's the way the world works. As much as I enjoy games, there is no inherent good in this industry. The ends do not justify the means here; there is nothing that makes the gaming industry inherently worthy of preservation, not to the point that would justify carving out a special exemption for them where used games are somehow magically not OK when they are OK for every other packaged good on the planet. Just because your favored set of content producers couldn't properly adapt does not justify rewriting the rules of what "property ownership" means and fundamentally removing the ability to preserve, inherit, pass on, lend, and share its products.

The industry does not come first; consumers do. I have no sympathy for an industry that cannot properly stumble its way around a viable secondhand market like every other mature industry in the world. Sometimes your old product just isn't good enough, and the way you solve it is by making a better product, not by forcing consumers to adapt to your archaic and myopic business model with your dying breath. If this industry can't find a way to make money off the primary market -- even with DLC and exclusive pre-order content and HD re-releases and map packs and online passes and annualized sequels and "expanding the audience" and AAA advertising and forced multiplayer -- then, if I may be so blunt, fuck it. It doesn't deserve our money in the first place. If an entire industry has its head so far up its ass, is so focused on short-term gains, and has embraced such a catastrophically stupid blockbuster business model in the pursuit of a stagnant market of hardcore 18-34 dudebros that it thinks it has no choice but to take away our first-sale rights as its last chance of maybe, finally, creating a sustainable stream of profits, then it can go to hell. It doesn't need your protection, it needs to be taken out back and beaten until it remembers who its real masters are.

I especially have a hard time having any sympathy because so many of the industry's problems are of its own making. They chose to focus on shaderific HD graphics over long-lasting appeal and gameplay; they chose to focus on linear scripted cinematic B-movie imitations that were only good for one playthrough instead of replayability and open-ended design; they chose to pour so much money and marketing into military porn and fetishized violent shootbang Press A to Awesome titles, exactly the kinds of games that hardcore gamers, the most likely gamers to trade in games quickly were prone to buying and reselling; and perhaps most galling, they chose to give Gamestop loads of exclusive pre-order bonuses while they knew exactly what Gamestop would say to those customers once in the store. They kept making insanely lavish and nonsensical displays of spectacular whizz-bang, despite that being exactly the kind of game most susceptible to trading after one week because there was nothing left to do with it. And now they're discovering that putting so many insanely expensive eggs into one fragile and easily breakable basket is maybe not the most sustainable business model ever.

So forgive me if I find myself not caring one bit when the industry complains that it's just so hard to sell six million copies of Gears of Medal of Battle of Uncharted Angry Dudes VII in the first week and that's why they need to take away used sales for the entire platform. No, the problem isn't at this end.

Also,

Okay, the used games thing I can understand from a consumer perspective

Are you not a consumer?
 

Fuchsdh

Member
Anyone else feel the hate on X1 is just a little too much? Okay, the used games thing I can understand from a consumer perspective, but even then you gotta think about the people who make games and the fact that they don't even get a penny from used games (refer to Heckfu's post from awhile back). The complaining regarding the "connect once every 24 hrs" policy just crosses the line if you ask me.

"What about the people with fuzzy internet connections?!" The X1 just needs to do a simple handshake with the Xbox servers once every 24 hours. If your internet is unable to do this on a consistent basis then you literally have the worst ISP of all time and should probably ask yourself why you're giving them money every month in the first place. Dial-up would probably work, too.

"What about the people who don't have internet?" The few people who are complaining and ACTUALLY don't have internet at all reminds me of the people who complained about not being able to see subtitles in Mass Effect 3 when they played the game on their tube TVs. Really? Get with the times, people. I suppose I do feel kind of sorry for people who don't even have access to internet, but they honestly shouldn't be surprised that the list of things requiring internet grows every year.

The MS points thing is bullshit, btw.

Pretty much. Sometimes you have to drag people kicking and screaming towards the future. Of course there would be less kicking and screaming if Microsoft was upfront and a little more sensical with how it announced and implemented some of these things.

Like most shitstorms on the internet, I doubt this is going to be as much of a Big Deal as people think. I will enjoy people eating crow about their "X has won this generation" proclamations the way they did when they said the Revolution was DoA, the PS3 would destroy the 360 graphics-wise, Microsoft could never make a game console, they would never get people to pay for online, and it was stupid to cut out dial-up multiplayer users.


I recommend reading this post from a thread last month.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=59545309



Also,



Are you not a consumer?

That entire line of reasoning is pathetic, because it's assuming you live in a bizarro world where you are forced to buy any media or entertainment. No one is forcing you to buy anything; the fundamental power of the consumer is to vote with your wallet.

There's more great books, games, movies, etc. out there than any person could go through in lifetime or two. Chill the hell out and worry about something more important if you're going to get bent out of shape about something.
 

heckfu

Banned
Yawn, console wars are boring me already. People are going to buy whatever they're going to buy, and regardless of what that is you're just supporting the lesser of two giant corporations. Getting on your high horse about PS4 'caring' is delusional, complaining and expecting Xbox to change is delusional.
 
Really...hmm. Thought Halo was big in NZ. I see gamertags with NZ in them almost everytime I play.

(You people need to stop ruining Halo and its connection..JK...but seriously)
 
Yawn, console wars are boring me already. People are going to buy whatever they're going to buy, and regardless of what that is you're just supporting the lesser of two giant corporations. Getting on your high horse about PS4 'caring' is delusional, complaining and expecting Xbox to change is delusional.

Reasonable post. I agree.

Really...hmm. Thought Halo was big in NZ. I see gamertags with NZ in them almost everytime I play.

(You people need to stop ruining Halo and its connection..JK...but seriously)

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Ken

Member
Yawn, console wars are boring me already. People are going to buy whatever they're going to buy, and regardless of what that is you're just supporting the lesser of two giant corporations. Getting on your high horse about PS4 'caring' is delusional, complaining and expecting Xbox to change is delusional.

I yeah'd this post.
 

Dongs Macabre

aka Daedalos42
I have an idea. What if, after authenticating your game online, you were able to also download the 360 version of the game too. This way, people will be able to enjoy the game (at least partially) while they're not at home, or before they get an Xbox One. This would work really well for games like Destiny and BF4 that have versions for both consoles. This way, people will be able to enjoy new games, and when they get a Xbox One, they'll have access to a better version without having to buy it again. Also, since the Xbox One requires an Internet connection, people who are away from home can enjoy single-player on their 360.
 

Tawpgun

Member
Yawn, console wars are boring me already. People are going to buy whatever they're going to buy, and regardless of what that is you're just supporting the lesser of two giant corporations. Getting on your high horse about PS4 'caring' is delusional, complaining and expecting Xbox to change is delusional.

The console war is relevant to me because whatever console I get dictates who I get to play with.
 
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