Shallow? Every character in Aliens was built up and had it's unique personality. Not sure how the heck you can call it shallow. I mean how many characters from that movie are iconic.
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Shallow? Every character in Aliens was built up and had it's unique personality. Not sure how the heck you can call it shallow. I mean how many characters from that movie are iconic.
gotta weigh in on alien 3 assembly cut, too
its a MUCH better movie than the theatrical release
NealMcCauley
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It's stupidly amazing this holiday exists, but oh wells. Alien is my favorite of the bunch no contest. Such a beautiful, dark movie to experience. There's a palpable sense of dread from the beginning of the credits and it never stops. The blu-ray quadrilogy is one of the greatest sets ever released. Fox even threw in Alien and Aliens' old laserdisc features.
And obviously Isolation deserves a mention. Absolutely terrifying and some of the best sound design I've ever heard in a game.
I wish there was an Alamo near me. Seeing at least one in a theater is a small goal of mine.
And obviously Isolation deserves a mention. Absolutely terrifying and some of the best sound design I've ever heard in a game.
I wish there was an Alamo near me. Seeing at least one in a theater is a small goal of mine.
CambriaRising
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One of my favorite franchises of all time. Definitely going to watch Alien tonight.
TheJollyCorner
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Serious respect for Jerry Goldsmith's OST for ALIEN. What a wonderfully haunting, dreadful (in a good way 
) soundtrack. Equally as important as the visuals to me.
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aaaaaaaand here's 12 hours!!!! of ambient noises from the Nostromo: https://youtu.be/U4p1mZnKkhc
Man, who comes up with this?
) soundtrack. Equally as important as the visuals to me.USCSS Nostromo
aaaaaaaand here's 12 hours!!!! of ambient noises from the Nostromo: https://youtu.be/U4p1mZnKkhc
Man, who comes up with this?
Krauser Kat
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This will be mine i swear.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah, Goldsmiths score is amazing. Followed by Goldenthal's score for 3, which is almost as good.
Alien > Aliens go
Alien = Aliens
They're honestly too different and too great in different ways to compare. I love both movies equally. Cameron doing a genre-shift was an A+ smart move though.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Sorta ugly, sorta want just for my watch collection.
I hope Sega does a sale on the Alien: Isloation DLC. They would be dumb not to capitalize on this in some way. There better be a deal on the movies too, I'm in the mood to watch the first three. I watched Resurrection about 10 times as a kid because it was on HBO all the time...I'm all good on that one.
TheJollyCorner
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I think I've asked this before in ALIEN threads, but has any other series had the level of consistent talent with directors like the main ALIEN series has?
-Ridley Scott
-James Cameron
-David Fincher
-Jean Pierre-Jeunet
All amazing, award-winning filmmakers.
A shame that Finch didn't have the clout yet with Alien3 and, well, Jeunet was probably never a good choice for this particular series to begin with - but maybe with a better script? :/
-Ridley Scott
-James Cameron
-David Fincher
-Jean Pierre-Jeunet
All amazing, award-winning filmmakers.
A shame that Finch didn't have the clout yet with Alien3 and, well, Jeunet was probably never a good choice for this particular series to begin with - but maybe with a better script? :/
bonesmccoy
Banned
Alien 3 nails that 'high school film project vibe', if that's what you like.
Prometheus has its share of problems, but compared to 3 it's a masterpiece.
Prometheus has its share of problems, but compared to 3 it's a masterpiece.
TheJollyCorner
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Conceptually I really like Alien 3.
An all-male space prison colony where the inmates have formed this kind of spiritual code-of-honor and it gets completely turned upside down by not just the alien, but the presence of a woman, was great. It was different.
Weaver, Charles Dance (wish he had more screen time) and especially Dutton were so fucking good.
The biggest knock against Alien 3 for me was that it had to follow up ALIENS. As I've gotten older I've come to really like it. Nice, thick atmosphere.
An all-male space prison colony where the inmates have formed this kind of spiritual code-of-honor and it gets completely turned upside down by not just the alien, but the presence of a woman, was great. It was different.
Weaver, Charles Dance (wish he had more screen time) and especially Dutton were so fucking good.
The biggest knock against Alien 3 for me was that it had to follow up ALIENS. As I've gotten older I've come to really like it. Nice, thick atmosphere.
Fancy Clown
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Alien 3 is leaps and bounds better than Prometheus. It actually approaches theme and character in a coherent and interesting way, rather than the absolute stupidity present in just about every scene of Prometheus.
Absolutely. Just like Terminator > Terminator 2.
Alien > Aliens go
Basically make the sequel a kids movie and drop the ball.
Dash_Riprock
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I think was he was drunk while making Alien 3.
D.Lo
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Well put. It's seriously thematically weak.
Aliens is also a much worse looking film, really bad lighting makes the guns and equipment and vehicles look very much like the props they are. And it's also a very very 80s film, from the haircuts to the dialogue to the characters themselves, whereas the original is so much more timeless.
With it's tupperware kitchen accessories, curved screen CRT monitors, and Ripley rocking the most 70s underwear possible? Nah, both Alien and Aliens look like movies made from the 70s and 80s.
Walker_Boh
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I think PSN has a sale for Alien: Isolation going on right now.
Me too. They are both great.
its a bummer we'll never see the movie he was trying to make
the documentary in the blu-ray set is REALLY good and doesn't hold back much. they really go into what a disaster the production was
it used to all be on youtube but i think fox took it down
related:
every single time alien 3 comes up, people love to point out how shitty the cg for the alien was. but it's not cg at all. ever. except for when it dies at the very end. i wish i could link to the documentary, because there's a whole section about the alien puppet (yes, it was a puppet). the thing looks fucking incredible. the guy's controlling its movement are so damn talented. ...and then its HORRRRRRRIBLY composited into the movie, which is what everyone thinks is bad cg. its such a bummer watching the incredible marionette and then how it looks in the film
Violence Jack
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So that's why Alamo is having a double feature of this tonight. If this were the weekend, I'd be going for sure.
And I guess I'm one of the few that likes the assembly cut of Alien 3.
And I guess I'm one of the few that likes the assembly cut of Alien 3.
Shitty quality, but a excellent 3 hour doc on the making of Aliens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWLKwrmYd6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWLKwrmYd6A
brandonh83
Banned
I have a few problems with Prometheus, but Alien 3 is just fucking terrible to me. I know it's seen this sort of large insurgence of appreciation as of late, but nah, it's still pretty damn bad IMO.
BattleMonkey
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Aliens 3 is awful in all versions.
Aliens is like many of the older films before it, detailing its Vietnam roots. Its funny, because ones like Platoon, Full Metal Jacket, and others came out around the same time too. But the characters are mostly shared with them. The hot head, cool commander, etc. I would also say the dialogue is very fitting for what he was going with. Of course, this is as far as Cameron can take it. Both due his skill level, but also understanding how to perfect a blockbuster.
I can't really hold the haircuts, outfits, dialogue, and other stuff against it. Because that is what is based on.
What I can argue though is the characters are functioning plot devices for Ripley's arc. They are never taken beyond that superficial level of from when they were first introduced.
2nd, Will I say Alien looks better? Yes. Its a visual masterpiece of its own, but Aliens is no slouch either. Its a shame Alien3 and Resurrection look like such shit in comparison.
I'm glad that while we stand apart on certain topics, we stand united regarding our general distaste for Alien 3!
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TheOfficeMut
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lolololol you thought Aliens dropped "the ball"? lololololololol
Bobby Roberts
Banned
A masterpiece at squandering even more potential? Sure.
Prometheus is not a better movie than Alien 3. It's a big fat mess.
Prometheus is a waste.
What? People just strolling into discussions not knowing shit and letting rip with gaseous farts from their brain and mouth? Shamelessly?
You jest! Who would do that in front of other people without any concern?
NealMcCauley
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At the very least Prometheus retconned the AvP movies out of existence so I gotta give it props for that. Sometimes I wonder if Fox was like "Ridley just do whatever the fuck you want as long as those movies are no longer in the canon."
Alien 3 and Prometheus are both shit. At least Prometheus is visually appealing shit.
You know you fucked up when your practical effects are mistaken for early 90s CGI.
You know you fucked up when your practical effects are mistaken for early 90s CGI.
QuantumZebra
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this
brandonh83
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lol I think it's just that what we argue about is pretty much some of the same shit but on a cycle, like we can't quite let it go. I've agreed with you about plenty of things, even if I didn't directly reply to them.
Bobby Roberts
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Nobody at that studio (and probably nobody even making the movies) gives a shit about "the canon."
That's part of why this fake holiday rings so false: This series has never rolled like that. It's never been Star Wars. It has amazingly devoted fans, but in my experience, the large majority of them, they'd rather just bullshit about the movie and collect stuff and use it as a launchpad and diving board to other, interesting ideas and notions in other films/stories/art.
If an "ALIEN Day" were ever going to happen organically, it would have happened by now. For Fox to conjure it out of thin air as a means to sell some Reeboks, I dunno. Seems pretty bullshit.
It's not. It's broken, and poisoned, but there's at least at through-line for multiple characters. Motivations and actions taken that make general sense. You can latch onto it in a couple spots. It might not be all that compelling, but it's there.
Prometheus is just fucking dumb. It's pretty as hell, but dumb as rocks.
btw: Alien 3 looks pretty fucking good in its own right. I don't get the idea that it looks bad somehow.
I watched a documentary on Giger that was on Netflix and he is one of the weirdest creepiest guys. He actually seems like an alright guy but his whole demeanor and the fact his house looks like something out of one of his nightmares with all the weird semi erotic bio mechanical designs. Must be an interesting dude to party with.
Oh and he has the awesome chairs from Dune.
Oh and he has the awesome chairs from Dune.
I've watched Prometheus twice and I still can't see the shit the bed movie everyone hates
It has a good deal of problems of course, but overall, it's still well-made sci fi in my eyes.
I dunno, maybe I'm being blinded by the great production design and I need another rewatch
It has a good deal of problems of course, but overall, it's still well-made sci fi in my eyes.
I dunno, maybe I'm being blinded by the great production design and I need another rewatch
I love it personally
NealMcCauley
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It seems like Fox is trying to get the series back on some kind of positive track IMO, but I'll admit they probably don't even know what they want.
The timing of the holiday is certainly weird. Besides Aliens' 30th anniversary this year there's not much happening worth celebrating.
spookyfish
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I can get behind this.
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