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Happy ALIEN Day - LV4/26

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Mr Swine

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Alien 3 is leaps and bounds better than Prometheus. It actually approaches theme and character in a coherent and interesting way, rather than the absolute stupidity present in just about every scene of Prometheus.

It's still a bad Alien movie compared to Prometheus. I will never ever like the idea of a prison planet having convicts working in a mine with no guards, weapons or anything. And I really did t like it being a male only prison. While the characters are coherent it doesn't save this movie
 

Spectone

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It's still a bad Alien movie compared to Prometheus. I will never ever like the idea of a prison planet having convicts working in a mine with no guards, weapons or anything. And I really did t like it being a male only prison. While the characters are coherent it doesn't save this movie

Why have guards if the prisoners can never ever escape?
 
Oh shit, that's right, this forced as shit marketing "holiday" for a series that probably never should have been a series, really,is happening today!

Any cool deals for chintzy shit you can't buy anyway because MONDO or some other retailer can't handle the tens of people trying to buy gimmick vinyl at the same time?

Hey, here's a DID YOU KNOW: did you know the score to Alien is barely in the film because Scott and editor Terry Rawlings couldn't stop cutting in the temp score even though Goldsmith wrote them better shit to use? The main theme is in the movie maybe once, and edited on top of that.

And then in Prometheus he has it return, only to play it under the 40 pounds of nutsack latex glued to Weyland's face when he stumbles on screen for his first appearance.
 

andycapps

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Alien 3 is a bad movie, end of story. It had promise and a troubled development, but that doesn't change it from being a complete mess. And Assembly Cut doesn't make it good either.

Alien>Aliens is correct but the latter is still so good.
 
Also, just like the Indiana Jones series, the movies decrease in quality as they go, with the first two being a clear tier above of what follows.
 
Oh shit, that's right, this forced as shit marketing "holiday" for a series that probably never should have been a series, really,is happening today!

Any cool deals for chintzy shit you can't buy anyway because MONDO or some other retailer can't handle the tens of people trying to buy gimmick vinyl at the same time?

Hey, here's a DID YOU KNOW: did you know the score to Alien is barely in the film because Scott and editor Terry Rawlings couldn't stop cutting in the temp score even though Goldsmith wrote them better shit to use? The main theme is in the movie maybe once, and edited on top of that.

And then in Prometheus he has it return, only to play it under the 40 pounds of nutsack latex glued to Weyland's face when he stumbles on screen for his first appearance.

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It's still a bad Alien movie compared to Prometheus. I will never ever like the idea of a prison planet having convicts working in a mine with no guards, weapons or anything. And I really did t like it being a male only prison. While the characters are coherent it doesn't save this movie

And yet it's still more believable than the myriad logical leaps you have to make to justify just about every action and line of dialogue in Prometheus. Alien 3 is messy, and at times a little dull, but Prometheus is flat out broken. It doesn't feel like it was conceived by a human being but an AI that Ridley Scott got wine drunk.
 
Oh shit, that's right, this forced as shit marketing "holiday" for a series that probably never should have been a series, really,is happening today!

Any cool deals for chintzy shit you can't buy anyway because MONDO or some other retailer can't handle the tens of people trying to buy gimmick vinyl at the same time?

Hey, here's a DID YOU KNOW: did you know the score to Alien is barely in the film because Scott and editor Terry Rawlings couldn't stop cutting in the temp score even though Goldsmith wrote them better shit to use? The main theme is in the movie maybe once, and edited on top of that.

And then in Prometheus he has it return, only to play it under the 40 pounds of nutsack latex glued to Weyland's face when he stumbles on screen for his first appearance.

This is what I was waiting for. This is the fire that warms my loins.
God bless you, Mr. Roberts. :D
 
If you're not counting the Alien vs. Predator movies, Prometheus is easily the worst thing in the Alien series.

And if you are... It's better than Requiem, but I could see a convincing argument made that it barely loses to AvP
 
I really wish Sega would announce a sequel to Alien: Isolation. I have a question for you Bobby: Is Alien: Covenant going to be good or at least decent?
 
I really wish Sega would announce a sequel to Alien: Isolation. I have a question for you Bobby: Is Alien: Covenant going to be good or at least decent?

Probably not, but I'll find out here in about a week or so, because I got assigned to review it.

Also, Creative Assembly just mentioned the other day they might be doing a sequel to Isolation.
 
Did Creative Assembly mention that? I just saw the Official Playstation Magazine rumor from the other day, which Eurogamer checked today :(

I thought someone at CA had said they were pursuing it? If not, apologies.

In related stories of things you can't fucking buy:

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This was advertised by Fox's official ALIEN twitter account. I saw it scroll up my feed, and thought it was a parody image mocking this holiday's general tenor. Turns out - no. It's a real thing.

That you can't actually buy if you click on the purchase link, because it doesn't go on sale for another six months.
 

rou021

Member
If you're not counting the Alien vs. Predator movies, Prometheus is easily the worst thing in the Alien series.

And if you are... It's better than Requiem, but I could see a convincing argument made that it barely loses to AvP

Towards the bottom? Sure. The worst though? Even worse than Resurrection?
 

Sub_Level

wants to fuck an Asian grill.
When they gonna bring back the goddamn pulse rifle?

Its the type of fan service that doesn't detract from a movie and if anything helps make a better interconnected, coherent universe.
 

BTails

Member
The more I watch Alien, the more I love it. I remember back in University, reading an extremely good essay all about the sexual themes, gender reversal, patricide, etc... The film works on so many levels, from the base "Sci-Fi Horror" level all the way down to a very deep, psychological terror.
 

andycapps

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Also, just like the Indiana Jones series, the movies decrease in quality as they go, with the first two being a clear tier above of what follows.
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Sub_Level said:
[When they gonna bring back the goddamn pulse rifle?

Its the type of fan service that doesn't detract from a movie and if anything helps make a better interconnected, coherent universe./quote]

The new one doesn't look like that kind of movie. Looks like they're trying to colonize the planet, not bring in Marines to deal with aliens.
 
I thought someone at CA had said they were pursuing it? If not, apologies.

In related stories of things you can't fucking buy:

This was advertised by Fox's official ALIEN twitter account. I saw it scroll up my feed, and thought it was a parody image mocking this holiday's general tenor. Turns out - no. It's a real thing.

That you can't actually buy if you click on the purchase link, because it doesn't go on sale for another six months.

Well admittedly it would be silly to sell a Christmas ornament in April. They had a Queen last year.

Going to see the original in theatre tonight, HYPED !

Yep, very excited. Judging by the reserved seating chart my theater's sold a decent amount of tickets for a Wednesday evening show of an almost 40-year-old movie.
 
I mostly loathe nerd merch, so getting push notifications for Alien's official social media channels today is groan-inducing. Seeing that Hallmark Power Loader ornament continues to reinforce that I'm not a fan of the larger series. Of course I own items that make my nerd merch comment hypocritical.

I gotta follow for whatever Covenant details I can get though; I'm looking forward to the Q&A live stream in 2 hours. And I entered the trivia contest where the prize is attending Ridley Scott's Grauman's Chinese Theatre imprint ceremony (I'll take that free trip to Hollywood). I hope I get lucky there like my SO did with last year's trivia.

Question do you think they will release a new trailer today to celebrate alien day?
A new trailer - or footage of any kind - would be a surprise, but if it happens it might drop during the Q&A live stream (starts at 1:00 PM EST). Looking back a page in this thread, to last year, I posted the first pic Fox released of Covenant, and that was late and unannounced on Alien Day.
 
It hurts when people don't at least appreciate how incredible Alien 3 looks. Fincher went all out on photography for that one while trying to make it look like the original Alien as much as he could.
 
Alien 3 is a bad movie, end of story. It had promise and a troubled development, but that doesn't change it from being a complete mess. And Assembly Cut doesn't make it good either.

Alien>Aliens is correct but the latter is still so good.

How is it a bad movie though? I think it is a fantastic movie it just is a poor sequel and runs contrary to people's expectations and betrayed them. The movie is written, directed, acted, edited, paced, and scored extremely well.
 

Kazuhira

Member
I think the only bad movie in the series is Resurrection tbh,ignoring AvP and AvP Requiem.
Alien/Aliens are god-tier in my book and i really enjoyed Alien 3 and Prometheus too.
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
I think the only bad movie in the series is Resurrection tbh,ignoring AvP and AvP Requiem.
Alien/Aliens are god-tier but i really enjoyed Alien 3 and Prometheus too.

I can fuck with this.

Though the AvP movies are still a dirty pleasure for me, since it's a childhood fantasy come to life. I remember reading all the AvP books by Perry in 4th and 5th grade.
 

rou021

Member
Yup.

You can scroll back in this year-old thread and see me say the exact same thing at this time 12 months ago!

A sitcom? So you view Resurrection as being so bad it's mildly entertaining, wheras with Prometheus it's just bad? I consider both to be bad in their own unique, yet equal way, but I kinda see how you can make that argument.
 

andycapps

Member
How is it a bad movie though? I think it is a fantastic movie it just is a poor sequel and runs contrary to people's expectations and betrayed them. The movie is written, directed, acted, edited, paced, and scored extremely well.
With it being part of the Alien series I'm going to judge it as part of that. And as an Alien movie, I don't think it's a good one. If I could separate it out and have it be a unique thing that wasn't in the series it might be better.
 

T8SC

Gold Member
Did IQ's just drop sharply whilst I was away?

Aliens > Alien

Both amazing movies though, we just all have a preference. Some of us don't like the cornbread either.
 
When Alien Isolation came I had the urge to rewatch the first Alien movie and it still was amazing and what made things even more great was the attention to detail they put in Isolation regarding objects,sounds,basically everything that the movie had. I NEED A SEQUEL.

Also Alien > Aliens.
 

ultrazilla

Gold Member
So is there like a page or anything that is keeping up with what Fox is doing/celebrating with Alien Day today?

There were rumors that Fox would announce the official greenlight for Neil Blomkamp's ALIENS sequel today. And no, I don't want this thread turning into a they should make it/shouldn't make it sideshow please.
 
There were rumors that Fox would announce the official greenlight for Neil Blomkamp's ALIENS sequel today. And no, I don't want this thread turning into a they should make it/shouldn't make it sideshow please.

What rumors?

This is the first I'm hearing of it. It's not going to happen. So long as Ridley wants to make Alien movies, Blomkamp doesn't get to.

Ridley is going to make them until he drops. So Blomkamp is going to kick rocks.
 
When they gonna bring back the goddamn pulse rifle?

Its the type of fan service that doesn't detract from a movie and if anything helps make a better interconnected, coherent universe.

It was revealed during the Alien Facebook page's silly death bracket-thing that the head security person of Covenant, Lope, served the Colonial Marines (with dates that break continuity, heh), but that might just be some extended universe easter egg type shit (like the Blade Runner reference in the Prometheus Blu-ray) if it's not referenced in the film. Even if we do hear "Colonial Marines" muttered or some signifier in the film proper, it might just be the lightest homage w/ no Pulse Rifle. We'll find out soon.

But Scott's got a grip on the series right now and I don't think he cares for an interconnected, coherent universe (cue Prometheus jokes!) with the joints he didn't make. For example, it's very clear he doesn't give a fuck about jelling well with AvP going by this Lindelof anecdote.

Crave said:
You said nothing is an accidental reference, so is there a possible intentional Alien Vs. Predator reference in that the Weylands are always seeking eternal life?

You mean in terms of Charles Bishop Weyland? Look, as to what's canon and what's not canon, for me as a screenwriter it's transcended by Ridley as a director. Here's the thing. Ridley invented this. He created this Alien universe. He birthed it out of his own heart and soul. So he gets to do whatever it is he wants to do and he wanted to use Weyland as a conduit in the story, and was not interested at all when I said to him, ”You know, Weyland was a character in one of the Alien Vs. Predator movies," he just sort of looked at me like I had just slapped him in the face. That was the beginning, middle and end of all Alien Vs. Predator references in our story process.

That's just the obviously non-canon AvP, but still. I truly think that Scott is making a point to not significantly acknowledge Alien films he didn't work on in his prequel films, while at least not retconning Aliens out of respect of its status (and money-making opportunities, like by some chance the Blomkamp's Aliens flick Scott's producing happens). I think it's unlikely we'll ever get something as explicit as having Aliens' Queen in a Scott directed film. Scott will return to his and his previous teams' old ideas and create his own new thing, almost exclusively.

But I don't work with Scott and haven't seen Covenant, so this is just my interpretation and I could be wrong. The return to the Alien branding and Scott bringing back the beast after adamantly stating that it was cooked threw me off. So yeah. There might be that big ol' Shaw Queen waiting for me in Covenant, as people like to speculate, and future Scott prequels could gravitate more towards the popular Aliens.

Q&A I linked to in an above post starts in 5 minutes
 
Oh no, this ain't just a Q&A. It's opening with an art contest sponsored by the Walter chip. Don't know if I can watch this whole thing. Jessica Chobot is talking about the VR experience.

Edit: Ah, here's the cast. Cool.
 

Blues1990

Member
It would be funny if the upcoming film will have chrome CRT monitors & the late 70's aesthetic from the original Alien movie, despite it taking place in the future & all.
 
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