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Harry Potter [Mafia] |OT| Yer a werewolf, Arry
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Thanks a bunch new person, glad to see someone sensible got added to the game.
And then there's Gorlak, who for some reason puts me on his scum list. I'm curious as to how you came to think that, I'm interested in how you grouped me with LoC specifically.
Swamped before he died after Night 1 voted LoC and saw suspicious of him on Day 1. Sawneeks since day 2 has also been suspicious of him. So for this reason, I'll go with what they say.
Vote: Lord of Castamere
I'm not wasting a vote on TWE if it's true that he's just going to die from poison anyway, and I don't really see more lynch worthy targets other than MAYBE Crab but that's only if we think he is lying, which I don't have any proof of that being the case.
Vote: Lord of Castamere
I'm not wasting a vote on TWE if it's true that he's just going to die from poison anyway, and I don't really see more lynch worthy targets other than MAYBE Crab but that's only if we think he is lying, which I don't have any proof of that being the case.
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Deleted member 231381
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I'm just a little wary of the subtle but determined drift of votes towards LoC without anyone actually providing a particularly strong case. I'm not sure if it is just the wagon effect where in absence of a good suspect, a single person's vote then causes everyone to doubt that person too; mafia trying to subtly set a particular theme and lynch in motion; or whether there is enough genuine suspiscion to lynch LoC but nobody can articulate it well.
I highly doubt Crab is scum - I went back and reread all of his posts. Not going to say any more than that as the focus shouldnt be on him.
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
The thing is that I believe TWE but I don't trust him. I am torn between letting him do some more night actions and getting rid of him right away to avoid any further unexpected things to happen. I will think about that till tomorrow.
Besides Crab, who still has facts speaking against him there is actually no one that particularly stands out to me today so again.. a lot of thinking for me to do over night.
Also, welcome flatearthpandas Hope you'll have fun with us!!
Besides Crab, who still has facts speaking against him there is actually no one that particularly stands out to me today so again.. a lot of thinking for me to do over night.
Also, welcome flatearthpandas
Hope you'll have fun with us!!The thing is, we don't really have a strong case on ANYONE at the moment. And we can't just not lynch somebody. It's gotta be SOMEBODY. And right now, LoC has the strongest suspicions.
If you have any other ideas though, I'm more than glad to here them.
The thing is that I believe TWE but I don't trust him. I am torn between letting him do some more night actions and getting rid of him right away to avoid any further unexpected things to happen. I will think about that till tomorrow.
Besides Crab, who still has facts speaking against him there is actually no one that particularly stands out to me today so again.. a lot of thinking for me to do over night.
Also, welcome flatearthpandas
Yeah, the problem with TWE right now is that he is a neutral that has nothing to lose. He has basically lost the game already. And yes, he says he will act in town best interest, but we can never be sure, and since he will die soon anyway we have NO leverage whatsoever to force him to keep his word, he can basically do whatever he likes without fearing repercussions. That combined with my suspicion that he isn't telling the whole truth makes me a bit afraid to keep him around.
MagnumBoy20xx
Neo Member
Reread the events of today to try to get a better Lynch target, found none
So instead, I will prod someone that hasn't been very active this day phase.
vote:Retroid
His only post in this day phase was this:
That was all we've heard from him. Not very helpful right now.
I really wish there was a better, more obvious scum target, but we gotta work with what we got.
So instead, I will prod someone that hasn't been very active this day phase.
vote:Retroid
His only post in this day phase was this:
That was all we've heard from him. Not very helpful right now.
I really wish there was a better, more obvious scum target, but we gotta work with what we got.
I'm surprised how many people jumped onto LoC after I did.
To be honest my reasoning for voting LoC hasn't really change much since I found him suspicious on Day 1. Doesn't take hard stances, sits very 'in the middle' of most topics and will typically play along with the crowd. When confronted about it he played the apathy card and called the game boring and its' why he didn't/hasn't been saying much. If he isn't Scum then he is an apathetic Townie and that's just as bad.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Still not sure why you guys want to just let TheWorthyEdge live
I don't trust him. I don't trust that he is being truthful about not being affected by switches, I suspect he's hiding something from us, perhaps is a part of a small, 2 man team or something. I don't believe he would need 6 perfect nights to win, I don't trust that he wouldn't decide as a neutral just to try and screw with us
Especially when he said he wanted to win with town.
If TWE doesn't sell the ring back to blarg, what then? We lynch him tomorrow and give whatever scum blarg may have found another day. We let him die in the night? You guys are essentially arguing to give him a free night to do whatever he wants.
I also think it's not the best argument to say that he would die on his own. Scum don't like their poisoned targets getting lynched. They would really rather have the lynch going on someone else. That way they don't "waste" their poison use. Because from this night onwards, the poisons are going to be giving scum two kills a night, drastically reducing the population of this game.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad there's an actual argument today, the past days have been lacking on this, and it's especially good if we have scum in the crowd as well (as scum often go after neutrals, it makes many of them look townish, I am well aware), so we can use today's voting patterns to figure stuff out.
Yesterday's vote couldn't tell us so much, and looking back, I think that was the reason Kingkitty claimed voldy so quickly- he didn't want his teammates to get themselves caught based off of how they voted
I don't trust him. I don't trust that he is being truthful about not being affected by switches, I suspect he's hiding something from us, perhaps is a part of a small, 2 man team or something. I don't believe he would need 6 perfect nights to win, I don't trust that he wouldn't decide as a neutral just to try and screw with us
Especially when he said he wanted to win with town.
If TWE doesn't sell the ring back to blarg, what then? We lynch him tomorrow and give whatever scum blarg may have found another day. We let him die in the night? You guys are essentially arguing to give him a free night to do whatever he wants.
I also think it's not the best argument to say that he would die on his own. Scum don't like their poisoned targets getting lynched. They would really rather have the lynch going on someone else. That way they don't "waste" their poison use. Because from this night onwards, the poisons are going to be giving scum two kills a night, drastically reducing the population of this game.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad there's an actual argument today, the past days have been lacking on this, and it's especially good if we have scum in the crowd as well (as scum often go after neutrals, it makes many of them look townish, I am well aware), so we can use today's voting patterns to figure stuff out.
Yesterday's vote couldn't tell us so much, and looking back, I think that was the reason Kingkitty claimed voldy so quickly- he didn't want his teammates to get themselves caught based off of how they voted
So if you don't trust that TWE is telling the whole truth then why do you want to do what he suggests, i.e. lynch him? If you actually don't trust him then I'm not seeing your reasoning as to why we should let him live. I think he is telling the truth therefore I think he should live and help us out for the remaining Nights he has left instead of just lynching him and doing Scum's dirty work.
My problem with lynching TWE is that he wants to be lynched. To me that feels like there might be something that he can gain from being lynched, what that is we don't know. However he has nothing to lose at this point since his life is on a timer so maybe he just wants to help town.
On a different note, has anyone been roleblocked? Lord of Castamere mentioned the existence of a roleblocker based off Rat's role message and that reminded me of it. Crucio can't be the roleblock action because Blarg did his action N1.
On a different note, has anyone been roleblocked? Lord of Castamere mentioned the existence of a roleblocker based off Rat's role message and that reminded me of it. Crucio can't be the roleblock action because Blarg did his action N1.
Well about yesterday's voting, king kitty knew his mafia teammates but they weren't aware of his identity. I think the interesting part of yesterday is how people react after he says he is Volde, especially people pushing for maybe letting both he and Blarg live (I may be misremembering and people were only arguing that before he gave up his Harry Potter claim) Mafia knows Volde exists but they have to find him to activate his powers (at least that's the read I get from him role pm). I think he wanted to let his teammates know who he was once it was clear he was gonna be lynched on the off chance they could keep him alive and activate his powers last night.
Here is where you guys can find the votes btw. It took me too long to find it so if anyone needs to look it's right here.
Went back and looked. King claims here:
and by then had been voted on by:
blargonaut 951
burbeting 953
magnumboy20xx 995
rynam 998
retroid 1109
enker 1133
salvapot 1135 (1262)
gorlak 1228 (1246)
roytheone 1230 (1400)
thegoddamn 1240 (1248)
nin1000 1272
He claims on post #1277, meaning TWE ( Salvapot ), Gorlak, and TheG had all previously voted for him but backed off before the Voldemort claim. Afterwards the only people to back off voting for him did so to prevent a Turbo, not because they wanted him to live. The people who voted for him AFTER the Volde claim are: BSP, Exodu5, AwesomePossum, Kalor, Crab, Flame_AC, Matt Attack.
The only thing that jumped out at me was this:
Which is right after King claimed Voldemort. Could just be thinking out loud but it still doesn't sit well with me.
Went back and looked. King claims here:
and by then had been voted on by:
blargonaut 951
burbeting 953
magnumboy20xx 995
rynam 998
retroid 1109
enker 1133
salvapot 1135 (1262)
gorlak 1228 (1246)
roytheone 1230 (1400)
thegoddamn 1240 (1248)
nin1000 1272
He claims on post #1277, meaning TWE ( Salvapot ), Gorlak, and TheG had all previously voted for him but backed off before the Voldemort claim. Afterwards the only people to back off voting for him did so to prevent a Turbo, not because they wanted him to live. The people who voted for him AFTER the Volde claim are: BSP, Exodu5, AwesomePossum, Kalor, Crab, Flame_AC, Matt Attack.
The only thing that jumped out at me was this:
Which is right after King claimed Voldemort. Could just be thinking out loud but it still doesn't sit well with me.
flatearthpandas
Member
But why? There's no benefit for him. I'd say the argument to lynching him is that he is a known risk. We have no reason to trust him to help town as it doesn't benefit him and he can potentially hurt the town by selling the horcrux at his own discretion which is in his power to do. The benefits to letting him live depend on luck and trust, making him more dangerous to town than scum. The benefits to lynching him are peace of mind.
Really depends on how much we want to trust him.
I'm actually curious about LoC right now. Where is he? Usually this would be a good time for him to defend himself since the votes are now on him.
He's probably busy with RL stuff I imagine but I hope he gets here soon. Would like to hear what he has to say with the pressure on him now. Clock is ticking.
He's probably busy with RL stuff I imagine but I hope he gets here soon. Would like to hear what he has to say with the pressure on him now. Clock is ticking.
As far as kills starting to pile up, it comes down to your opinion of the towns skill at finding scum via reads, etc. if you fall into the crab line of reasoning lynching someone we know is not scum is bad form. It cedes one of towns chances to find a bad guy even if it's only slightly better than random pick. Mafia kills are guaranteed to not be mafia, though as the poisoner shows it can occasionally be not town thanks to neutral 3rd parties.
I hadn't thought of it necessarily in this way until earlier this game when crab described it in his frustration over Rats suiciding day 1, but I can buy into this train of thought.
For TWE it becomes more of an argument given his possessing of a horcrux and the potential of either it being stolen by scum or him not acting in towns best interest. I personally think that the horcruxes are still a key part of the game and something we should hold in high importance. However, I also think that there are an abundance of power roles running around such that mafia put themselves at risk targeting some one who is being heavily discussed. Not to mention they have an large amount of town PRs revealed in addition to our neutral theif. As it stands I'd prefer to try to lynch someone we think is scum over someone we are pretty sure is neutral, and also who is going to die any ways in two nights.
That got a little rambling there, forgive me. Basically I think horcruxes are important yes, but think maximizing our chances of lynching scum is more important And that the number of actions and revealed PRs give us a good chance of holding onto the ring even if we don't lynch TWE.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Because I trust his base claim- he's a doomed neutral.
But if I was a doomed neutral and town gave me time to live, I would just screw around. He might prefer just getting out of the game now, but predicting him to act in favor of town tonight seems a little silly
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I'm mildly interested to see if Blarg wants to spill any more goss regarding what he knows about Horcruxes. I agree with kawl that I'd rather go for scum than waste a lynch on a neutral, but I'm hesitant to leave a knowingfully harmful item that has a track record of being stealable floating around for tonight. If I knew a little bit more about what it potentially does/does not do, I'd feel more confident.
I asked a while back if the ring had provided an option for a night action that might be further muddying the waters of what has been happening, but I think his response was that he only had the option to destroy it. I could be mistaken though, because per usual his response about anything was cloaked in fluff and riddles.
I lean towards the damaging side effect he mentioned be specific to his characters interaction with that particular horcrux though. This is entirely lore based speculation so skip this if your name is hyper.
That's true. I've been going back and forth on how much I trust him.
So you don't fully trust him and you think he is hiding something but yet still want to lynch him? What if he gets something when he dies?
And do we really want another day of lynching someone because they asked us to?
Assuming what Blarg said earlier is correct the only objective of the Horcruxes is an alternative Town win condition. I wouldn't be surprised if Scum might also have an alternative something if they get them all but it's really hard to say without any evidence. It is possible that, given how super strong Dumbledore is, that Voldemort might have been able to utilize them if he could have 'powered up'.
I mean, other than that I have a feeling that Scum might have a way to get these Horcruxes back. However, I also think that there is probably another way to destroy the Horcruxes seeing as TWE described 'items' and not specifically 'Horcruxes' as things he could steal. Perhaps the Sword of Gryffindor is actually out there?
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Day 3 votes
matt attack (1)
lord of castamere 1580
crab (2)
rynam 1618
thegoddamn 1643 (1748)
sawneeks 1833 (1846)
theexodu5 1985
thegoddamn (0)
flame_ac 1701 (1963)
lone_prodigy 1712 (1872)
crab 1719 (1726)
blargonaut (1)
crab 1738 (1919)
hyperactivity 1743 (1910)
christina mackenzie 1757
gorlak (1)
miracle 1774 (1788)
crab 1948
nin1000 (0)
theexodu5 1917 (1917)
salvapot (0)
theexodu5 1917 (1942)
crab 1919 (1948)
ninpot (0)
hyperactivity 1922 (1944)
kawl_usc (2)
kalor 1951
flame_ac 1963
theworthyedge (1)
roytheone 1987 (2086)
enker 1992 (2005)
hyperactivity 2025 (2025)
hyperactivity 2030
retroid (2)
kawl_usc 2081
magnumboy20xx 2110
lord of castamere (3)
sawneeks 2082
gorlak 2089
miracle 2103
Time Left:
matt attack (1)
lord of castamere 1580
crab (2)
rynam 1618
theexodu5 1985
thegoddamn (0)
blargonaut (1)
christina mackenzie 1757
gorlak (1)
crab 1948
nin1000 (0)
salvapot (0)
ninpot (0)
kawl_usc (2)
kalor 1951
flame_ac 1963
theworthyedge (1)
hyperactivity 2030
retroid (2)
kawl_usc 2081
magnumboy20xx 2110
lord of castamere (3)
sawneeks 2082
gorlak 2089
miracle 2103
Time Left:
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
Huh, I swear LoC had more votes than that. This has felt like such a long day after the confusingness of the switcher shenanigans I'm losing track. Going to have to do a big re-read, I think. ;_;
Hyperactivity
Banned
Let me put it this way:
This is mainly coming from what I would personally do in TWE's position
1) I get lynched:
Eh, alright, I was prepared for this, wasn't gonna win anyways
2) I wasn't lynched
Eh, was gonna lose anyways, might as well have fun with it. Let's sell this thing to some random/steal from another player, mess with our watcher, etc.
From this perspective, yeah, I do think the best move is to lynch TWE. If you want to investigate crab, LoC, me, Gorlak, Flame_AC, etc., you can. We have at least two investigations (if they decide to kill switcher, then roleblock other switcher and kill blarg, then Rynam can catch scum, so it's still two good investigations, barring of course the possible ninja)
Thanks you spidery pest!
Looking over that list it seems we've got a very nice smattering of votes spread out nicely with no real bandwagon (although TWE is a hot topic and LoC has 3 votes coming in semi bunched fashion).
For the two votes on Crab (Exodu5 and rynam) what is y'all's reasoning? I see that Rynams vote was from early in the day when the switcher shenanigans were still actively being discussed, but Exodu5 you put a more recent vote on him.
Coming off his ban he was a lower visibility player, so immediately coming out claiming to have been switched doesn't exactly strike me as suspicious. All it ensured was that there was a lengthy conversation about night actions and that he was squarely in the middle of it. For a scum player, especially if he was a scum switcher, I think laying low would have been the more logical course of action.
Looking over that list it seems we've got a very nice smattering of votes spread out nicely with no real bandwagon (although TWE is a hot topic and LoC has 3 votes coming in semi bunched fashion).
For the two votes on Crab (Exodu5 and rynam) what is y'all's reasoning? I see that Rynams vote was from early in the day when the switcher shenanigans were still actively being discussed, but Exodu5 you put a more recent vote on him.
Coming off his ban he was a lower visibility player, so immediately coming out claiming to have been switched doesn't exactly strike me as suspicious. All it ensured was that there was a lengthy conversation about night actions and that he was squarely in the middle of it. For a scum player, especially if he was a scum switcher, I think laying low would have been the more logical course of action.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Forgot this part
You say that having another day when someone wants to lynch them is a bad thing, but I have to disagree. I think we got quite a bunch from that (made me suspicious of Flame_AC at least), and today is better because we have votes go everywhere, it's not even a bandwagon this time around
You say that having another day when someone wants to lynch them is a bad thing, but I have to disagree. I think we got quite a bunch from that (made me suspicious of Flame_AC at least), and today is better because we have votes go everywhere, it's not even a bandwagon this time around
I think it's more worry over there being this many generous souls offered themselves up as sacrifice. One time (rats) is hard enough to believe. Twice now (or thrice depending on how you read king kitty's eventual acceptance of his fate) begins to beggar belief.
And I'd argue the offering of yourself as a lynch target doesn't jive with your situations above. If you are going to wreak havoc you stay quiet and do your damnedest. You don't offer yourself up for lynch and then when you aren't lynched decide to go crazy.
Basically either TWE is pro town as a neutral or he's not, in my opinion. Offering all this information and himself as a lynch target strikes me as pro town. I don't think he flips his position on that simply due to being left alive.
Either you believe him or you don't. If you don't, im not sure that lunching him is the best option, as its contingent on a good deal of what he has said (ring destroyed upon his death, offering himself to be lunched)
Either you believe him or you don't. If you don't, im not sure that lunching him is the best option, as its contingent on a good deal of what he has said (ring destroyed upon his death, offering himself to be lunched)
Hyperactivity
Banned
Argh, I don't think I'm explaining it well enough here.
There are two main reasons I think lynching TWE is a good idea:
1. It wastes one of the poisoner's poison uses- game's population doesn't so rapidly decreases
2. Ok, TWE wants to be lynched. That's it, he lost, he can't win this, etc. And if we don't lynch him- we expect him to act with town for what reason again?
No that's about what I had gathered from your posts. I don't think it's a matter of the point not getting across, I think it's a matter of actual disagreement.
1. I'd argue that no it doesn't do that. All it does is doubles up one of our chances to lynch scum with a scum kill already put into motion. A scum kill that has been wasted on someone who isn't town.
2. For the same reason that caused him to reveal all the information that he has already. He sympathizes with the town. Call it good will or what have you. I see no reason that expecting him to flip is the natural position to take. Why do YOU think that he will naturally try to screw town over if left alive?
Hyperactivity
Banned
I don't think it's wise to just expect to side with town. He could, but there's little guarantee besides his word, and that's about it. He wouldn't necessarily screw with town and scum out of malice, but something more akin to boredom
If you guys would prefer lynching someone else, that's fine with me, but this day has already been somewhat of a disaster with all the claims so far. Call me team plank or whatever, I think its safer and possibly of more use to lynch him.
Gonna be gone for a bit going through Day 2 and 3 again, make a read list or point out any weirdness I see
Lord of Castamere
Member
Wtf am I supposed to defend against? No one gave any reasoning. You think I'm suspicious? Well, I'm not. Boom, I just gave a defense as well written as the attacks against me. Seriously, I'm not sure what you want me to say. Don't kill me. I'm town.
I still don't understand why everyone is against a Worthy lynch. He's a self proclaimed Netural with an item that could be detrimental to town. At best he stays alive for two days and provides reads. At worst he's not giving us the whole picture (like Burb) and something bad happens as a result We shouldn't take out a " hunched" player today if only for the fact that our investigator is still alive and we presumably have switcher(s) to help keep him that way.
Kill Worthy and decide as a group who to investigate, or decide on mutiple targets and let Blarg make a final nonannouced call on the final target. Whether that targets me, or someone else. That makes the most sense to me.
Vote: TheWorthyEdge
I still don't understand why everyone is against a Worthy lynch. He's a self proclaimed Netural with an item that could be detrimental to town. At best he stays alive for two days and provides reads. At worst he's not giving us the whole picture (like Burb) and something bad happens as a result We shouldn't take out a " hunched" player today if only for the fact that our investigator is still alive and we presumably have switcher(s) to help keep him that way.
Kill Worthy and decide as a group who to investigate, or decide on mutiple targets and let Blarg make a final nonannouced call on the final target. Whether that targets me, or someone else. That makes the most sense to me.
Vote: TheWorthyEdge
Hyperactivity
Banned
Sorta feels like we're taking something simple and making it 200x more complex right now
Hyperactivity
Banned
We got almost nothing from Kitty giving up so quickly and outing himself, same with Rats/Burb on Day 1. All we have are some people leaning one way and the others going slightly in the opposite direction. If we give TWE what he wants it's going to be the same thing again; everyone doing something slightly different but it all comes down to one lynch target. All we would end up getting out of this Day phase is a bunch of outed Town PRs, a plan that will hopefully work, and another safe lynch. Not a whole lot of good there.
Also we seem to be forgetting that the Horcruxes are an Alternative Town Win condition. We don't even need to get rid of them to win! Also going by what Blarg has already said it looks like you can't even use the Horcruxes at all other than to steal/destroy them.
Well well well.
You just killed a horcrux, congratulations D:
Hyperactivity
Banned
Was it the beanie?
I mean I imagine voldemort's head has to get a little hot, he must be wearing a hat or something for sunny days.
Because a neutral isn't scum. A TWE lynch does not move us closer to meeting our win condition of no remaining death eaters. It may move us closer via the horcrux but their importance remains unclear, especially with Blarg being our main source of information.
I'm not entirely sold on horcruxes being an alternative win condition. I think there is much we don't know about them at this time. I will completely trust the information Blarg has given us completely when I see his role PM. Not before that. I believe the broad strokes of what he has said but wouldn't be surprised to find that he has been embellishing details for an extra flourish or to spice things up.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Position on horcruxes- like I said before, I doubt blarg is being entirely truthful. There's probably some element of blarg where he's trying to make everyone- town, neutral, scum- wonder what the hell is going on.
I think someone else mentioned it earlier, and I find this idea pretty probable- perhaps people have items, but not necessarily all of them are horcruxes.
Now, the fact that blarg had a ring and that our role pms may not explicitly be telling us everything has a put a damper to my idea, but I still believe the idea of an alternate win condition to be a little absurd.
What, we destroy all the horcruxes but half the scum team is alive but town wins??? Makes zero sense.
I think someone else mentioned it earlier, and I find this idea pretty probable- perhaps people have items, but not necessarily all of them are horcruxes.
Now, the fact that blarg had a ring and that our role pms may not explicitly be telling us everything has a put a damper to my idea, but I still believe the idea of an alternate win condition to be a little absurd.
What, we destroy all the horcruxes but half the scum team is alive but town wins??? Makes zero sense.