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Harry Potter [Mafia] |OT| “Yer a werewolf, ‘Arry”

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YesNOnoNOYes

Member
for the new page~ (before i go sleep zzzz)

CURRENT VOTE TALLY:

TheWorthyEdge (4)
roytheone .1987 .2086
Enker .1992 .2005
Hyperactivity .2030
Lord of Castamere .2137
Retroid .2169
Bananaspaceprincess .2186

Retroid (4)
Kawl_USC .2081
MagnumBoy20xx .2110
Enker .2166
roytheone .2187

Crab (4)
Rynam .1618
TheGoddamn .1643 .1748
Sawneeks .1833 .1846
TheExodu5 .1985
Blargonaut .2174
TheWorthyEdge .2197

Lord of Castamere (3)
Sawneeks .2082
Gorlak .2089
Miracle .2103

Kawl_USC (2)
Kalor .1951
Flame_AC .1963

Gorlak (1)
Miracle .1774 .1788
Crab .1948

Blargonaut (1)
Crab .1738 .1948
Hyperactivity .1743 .1910
Christina Mackenzie .1757

Matt Attack (0)
Lord of Castamere .1580 .2137

TheGoddamn (0)
Flame_AC .1701 .1963
Lone_Prodigy .1712 .1872
Crab .1719 .1726


No active vote for Day 3:
flatearthpandas
Lone_Prodigy (has previously voted)
Matt Attack
TheAwesomePossum
TheGoddamn (has previously voted)



Day 3 ends:
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TheGoddamn

Member
For what it's worth, I trust Crab. I've been suspicious of Lord of Castamere since forever, for reasons most recently articulated by roy in this post. By itself these things aren't reason for suspicion, but together, they add up. Roy noticed Possum's idea to save TWE, as well. Why would we waste our ability for something like that? Weird thinking aloud on his part.

I can't condone lynching TWE because if he really is poisoned, he's going to die in a couple of nights-- ie, N5. That means that even if he has succeeded in his steal/sell task, he can't achieve his win condition anyway. If he's still alive on D6, that means that he was lying, and then he becomes a suitable lynch candidate.

I'm going with my gut on this one.

Lord of Castamere

Sorry for the lack of posts in the past real-life days; I've been pulling double shifts because it's all hands on deck at work.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
We now have a 4 way tie at 4 votes. We have 4 players with no votes currently placed and an additional 4 votes placed on non front runners.

Have Kalor or Flame checked in since requesting I participate more via their votes? I'm curious if I have met their desired activity and where they may be leaning for placing their actual votes at this time.
 
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Flame_AC

Member
I would prefer that Crab lives and so for that reason alone:

Vote: Retroid

The posts on the last page were especially important as they have some good reasoning behind them. I think we can let TWE go until he dies later and so that leaves us with Retroid. Also, you need to add "Vote" to your post TheGoddamn.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
Flame_AC said:
I would prefer that Crab lives and so for that reason alone:

Vote: Retroid

The posts on the last page were especially important as they have some good reasoning behind them. I think we can let TWE go until he dies later and so that leaves us with Retroid. Also, you need to add "Vote" to your post TheGoddamn.
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Any reason you dismissed LoC as a possible vote?
 
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Flame_AC

Member
LoC has 3 votes and me voting for him only put him tied with everyone else, I'd rather not force Crab to claim if possible. I went with someone I can actually put in the lead.
 
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flatearthpandas

Member
Vote: TheWorthyEdge

Bird in hand is worth two in the bush and all of that. Unless I wake up to some shenanigans, I'm keeping this here. Plus, we don't have to waste any resources watching him or dealing with that horcrux in another way. Retroid should be a topic for tomorrow if nothing better comes up.

For what it's worth, I think Possum may have been confused about the Weasley shared switch. I did a doubletake when I read it, but suggesting we take the switch off Blarg seemed too bizarre to be an attempt at a trick. Not that I see any point to switching him at all. Watching, maybe. Following, for sure, if anyone can. But then, these possible resources could be better spent elsewhere, as I said above.
 
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TheExodu5

Banned
I was suspicious of LoC during day 2, when it seemed like he was trying to save kingkitty from a lynch by promoting a lynch bomb fear. He hasn't really come up on my radar day 3, but I still feel more strongly about him being scum than anyone else at this point.

Vote: Lord of Castamere
 
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Blargonaut

Banned
Hyperactivity said:
Huh, so that's how Blarg makes his posts
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scaffolding is cheap

One main issue I have with your theory on the crucio spell- Voldemort died, and there wasn't really anything I recall from his role pm to indicate your theory
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ALL SIGNS POINT TO MAYBE?

Hyperactivity said:
Oh, and I still don't believe this shit about an alternate horcrux win condition
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but it's totally happening all around you
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
Of the 4 leading vote parties, it seems that we have two under suspicion due to their behavior, one under suspicion due to his action night 1 (but little suspicion aimed at his behavior during the day), and one who some feel is better safe than sorry when it comes to lynching.

With a game with so many convoluted roles (power madness I say), it seems that pursuing a player based only on a watchers report, where there exist another inconsistency in said watchers report from the next night, is kind of weak. If some of those leaning to voting on crab had more of a qualm about his play/posts I'd appreciate hearing them at this time.

Additionally, from a meta perspective I think town can consider the message they are sending to any future neutrals in games with a TWE. Lie, lie, lie. Because town will never accept that you could actually be good willed when revealing information about your role, even when you are slated to die and have a non conflicting win condition.

I think Mafia is a game of reads, reactions, and information delving. I'd prefer to lynch someone today based on their actions and posts over anything else. So my vote will remain on Retroid. I also ask that anyone moving their vote provide more backing than simply wanting to get on one of the stronger bandwagons if you have any at all.
 
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Miracle

Member
TheGoddamn said:
Goddammit

Vote: Lord of Castamere
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TheGoddamn said:
For what it's worth, I trust Crab. I've been suspicious of Lord of Castamere since forever, for reasons most recently articulated by roy in this post. By itself these things aren't reason for suspicion, but together, they add up. Roy noticed Possum's idea to save TWE, as well. Why would we waste our ability for something like that? Weird thinking aloud on his part.

I can't condone lynching TWE because if he really is poisoned, he's going to die in a couple of nights-- ie, N5. That means that even if he has succeeded in his steal/sell task, he can't achieve his win condition anyway. If he's still alive on D6, that means that he was lying, and then he becomes a suitable lynch candidate.

I'm going with my gut on this one.

Lord of Castamere

Sorry for the lack of posts in the past real-life days; I've been pulling double shifts because it's all hands on deck at work.
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You already did brother! :D
 
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Kalor

Member
Kawl_USC said:
We now have a 4 way tie at 4 votes. We have 4 players with no votes currently placed and an additional 4 votes placed on non front runners.

Have Kalor or Flame checked in since requesting I participate more via their votes? I'm curious if I have met their desired activity and where they may be leaning for placing their actual votes at this time.
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I meant to unvote earlier but completely forgot too.

At this point I've begun to lean towards a TWE vote just so that we can clear up any information about his role. I still have this feeling that he is holding back information that might be detrimental to town but I hope that lynching him won't do anything weird.

VOTE: TheWorthyEdge
 
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Blargonaut

Banned
yo TheGoddamn

Any particular reason(s) why you name-claimed as Sirius Black first?

Just curious :eek:

If you've already explained why, I might have missed the post, in which case apologies
 
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Matt Attack

Member
I'm also voting for Castamere.

VOTE: Lord of Castamere

Reasoning 1: Gut read. I agree with others that his posts have felt off. Various misunderstandings, posts of frustration with how the game is going- these aren't necessarily scum tells, but taken in altogether they do feel kind of weird to me.

Reasoning 2: His behavior in regards to who we should vote for gives me some weird vibes. In particular, he seems to frequently fight for lynches that are 'safe'. There's been a recurring theme with him where he'll argue in favor of lynching somebody who's not likely to be scum in order to avoid putting town in danger from perceived threats (first with Burbeting, where he argued that he wanted to avoid accidentally lynching a power role, and today with TWE, where he argues that even if he is likely a neutral already on death row, he could potentially pose too great of a risk to us). This behavior isn't inherently scummy, but I personally think it's far too defensive to be of real value to town. In a war of attrition, we give scum more opportunities to hurt us overall. As such, I can pretty easily imagine a scum player taking up the positions that LoC has up to this point. Of course, LoC is not the only player who has advocated lynching Burb or TWE, but these facts in combination with the rest of his behavior help me to better justify a vote against him.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
TheWorthyEdge said:
I think I'm gonna go with VOTE: LordofCastamere

Because I think I may have been roleblocked when I tried to steal from him...
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If you had been role blocked, why would that lead you to believe LoC was scum? Do you think it was his inherent role that blocked it versus you being role blocked at random?

Also, why are you uncertain on being role blocked or not? Retroids post points to the fact that it would be explicit if one is role blocked, which fits with all other night actions letting the targeted party know that something was done to them.
 
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flatearthpandas

Member
TheWorthyEdge said:
I think I'm gonna go with VOTE: LordofCastamere

Because I think I may have been roleblocked when I tried to steal from him...
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Not sure I follow this logic. That was N1, right? Even if you were role blocked, why would that put suspicion on your random target? Maybe I'm missing something.

Also, didn't Gorlak claim to Role blocked last night? Is there indication beyond actions failing? Flavor text?

Edit: Retroid, not gorlak, whoops. Gorlack got stupefied.
 
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TheWorthyEdge

Member
Kawl_USC said:
If you had been role blocked, why would that lead you to believe LoC was scum? Do you think it was his inherent role that blocked it versus you being role blocked at random?

Also, why are you uncertain on being role blocked or not? Retroids post points to the fact that it would be explicit if one is role blocked, which fits with all other night actions letting the targeted party know that something was done to them.
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Im thinking LoC may have a role that blocks a role or something. I would say why but I really don't like it when I give information I got outside of inside this thread and through informational PMs.
 
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TheGoddamn

Member
Kawl_USC said:
Of the 4 leading vote parties, it seems that we have two under suspicion due to their behavior, one under suspicion due to his action night 1 (but little suspicion aimed at his behavior during the day), and one who some feel is better safe than sorry when it comes to lynching.

With a game with so many convoluted roles (power madness I say), it seems that pursuing a player based only on a watchers report, where there exist another inconsistency in said watchers report from the next night, is kind of weak. If some of those leaning to voting on crab had more of a qualm about his play/posts I'd appreciate hearing them at this time.

Additionally, from a meta perspective I think town can consider the message they are sending to any future neutrals in games with a TWE. Lie, lie, lie. Because town will never accept that you could actually be good willed when revealing information about your role, even when you are slated to die and have a non conflicting win condition.

I think Mafia is a game of reads, reactions, and information delving. I'd prefer to lynch someone today based on their actions and posts over anything else. So my vote will remain on Retroid. I also ask that anyone moving their vote provide more backing than simply wanting to get on one of the stronger bandwagons if you have any at all.
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In addition to this, I implore everyone who has not voted to vote. This three- (perhaps four-) way race to lynch will be a wealth of information for tomorrow and on other days. On days with a clear bandwagon, scum can easily obfuscate their alignment by joining or scattering their vote. Here, the voting sequence will tell us much, much more.

(However, and I may be incredibly slow here because of my lack of sleep, but what inconsistency are you talking about, Kawl?)

Blarg: I explained it in my own megapost

I claimed Sirius because I didn't want to reveal the existence of Miracle. In line with this goal, I also took responsibility for the Rynam/Burb switch on N1, which Zippedpinhead (Miracle's predecessor) did. Lore-wise it was the best I could do on short notice, given that Sirius is the spiritual predecessor of Fred and George-- he even made the Marauder's Map, which was invaluable to the twins's mischief.
 
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TheGoddamn

Member
Hang on. Emphasis mine:

TheWorthyEdge said:
Im thinking LoC may have a role that blocks a role or something. I would say why but I really don't like it when I give information I got outside of inside this thread and through informational PMs.
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Apart from PMs, where else would you possibly get information from outside this thread?
 
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Blargonaut

Banned
I really feel that there's a damning piece of evidence here that's been lost within all this claim noise today, and now we're all mostly blindfiring with our votes while mostly ignoring all the claims for the sake of convenience

There're too many people running interference, and it's brought us down to the crappy Day 1 'feels' tier of accusations while there's a TON of truly incriminating details right in front of us

I feel like I'm really missing something here, some important link or lack thereof between all these claims, a loophole or something, I don't know...
 
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flatearthpandas

Member
TheGoddamn said:
I claimed Sirius because I didn't want to reveal the existence of Miracle. In line with this goal, I also took responsibility for the Rynam/Burb switch on N1, which Zippedpinhead (Miracle's predecessor) did. Lore-wise it was the best I could do on short notice, given that Sirius is the spiritual predecessor of Fred and George-- he even made the Marauder's Map, which was invaluable to the twins's mischief.
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I thought claiming Black might be risky in case another player actually had him. Did you have any worries about that?
TheGoddamn said:
Hang on. Emphasis mine:

Apart from PMs, where else would you possibly get information from outside this thread?
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Yeah, what's going on here? Assuming anything he's said is true, would this imply a neutral faction?
 
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Miracle

Member
I like how when I posted that I thought about changing my vote, suddenly more votes came for LoC.

Interesting reaction. I'll keep it in mind. :D
 
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Hyperactivity

Banned
Wait, TWE, why do you think that. Did you get any role pm saying you were explicitly roleblocked? (As Retroid got?)

I also find it REALLY uspect that TWE NOW wants to live, doesn't want to die now, probably wants to screw with us one last time now
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
TheGoddamn said:
In addition to this, I implore everyone who has not voted to vote. This three- (perhaps four-) way race to lynch will be a wealth of information for tomorrow and on other days. On days with a clear bandwagon, scum can easily obfuscate their alignment by joining or scattering their vote. Here, the voting sequence will tell us much, much more.

(However, and I may be incredibly slow here because of my lack of sleep, but what inconsistency are you talking about, Kawl?)

Blarg: I explained it in my own megapost

I claimed Sirius because I didn't want to reveal the existence of Miracle. In line with this goal, I also took responsibility for the Rynam/Burb switch on N1, which Zippedpinhead (Miracle's predecessor) did. Lore-wise it was the best I could do on short notice, given that Sirius is the spiritual predecessor of Fred and George-- he even made the Marauder's Map, which was invaluable to the twins's mischief.
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The inconsistency of having watched Blarg but only seeing you visit him, when we also know that he was visited by TWE, the thief. So clearly there can be shenanigans going on where the watcher does not receive the whole picture. Basing a vote solely on that information becomes shaky at that point in my opinion.
 
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TheWorthyEdge

Member
Kawl_USC said:
....yea, probably going to need to explain this some more.
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I don't know how through text. It sounded good in my head and speaking it but not through text.

Think of it as a subcategory, and the category being "Outside of the Thread".

Category: Outside of thread
Subcategory: informational PMs

separated by an "and"

Like "The Texans are going to Louisiana and into New Orleans"
 
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TheWorthyEdge

Member
Hyperactivity said:
Yeah, so TWE, WHY do you think LoC roleblocked you now

Ever since people have given you a shot at living you have started acting very strange
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explain.

I think LoC roleblocked me because Salva said that the only way my role can be blocked is if I am roleblocked. He then said "like what happened N1".
 
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flatearthpandas

Member
You meant to say this is from an info PM?
Wasn't the fact that you supposedly are unable to destroy horcruxes but that they'll be destroyed if you're lynched with them from a PM? Why coy now?
 
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Hyperactivity

Banned
TheWorthyEdge said:
explain.

I think LoC roleblocked me because Salva said that the only way my role can be blocked is if I am roleblocked. He then said "like what happened N1".
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And when did this supposed conversation suddenly come up int he first hours?

Am I supposed to believe every single character inn the game has an item?
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
TheWorthyEdge said:
I don't know how through text. It sounded good in my head and speaking it but not through text.

Think of it as a subcategory, and the category being "Outside of the Thread".

Category: Outside of thread
Subcategory: informational PMs

separated by an "and"

Like "The Texans are going to Louisiana and into New Orleans"
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That wasn't what I meant. I meant you just needed to say outright what the heck you meant. Which you have now done.
 
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TheWorthyEdge

Member
I don't know guys!

I feel like when I first proposed to lynch me I was like "Oh boy they're gonna destroy a Horcrux and get a thief out! WOOH!" but then I thought about it and I'm already gonna die so depending on what I do with the Horcrux, give it back to Blarg or keep it until I die, it won't really matter.

It's in towns best interest to just let me die with the poison and try and go out for more Deatheaters. So what if I'm in the game I'm dead essentially, and in the meantime I can only SELL tonight, and potentially have the ability to STEAL and with my death destroy another Horcrux. The only reason why some of you are voting me is because you don't believe me. Well believe me on this: you are going to be really underwhelmed when you see exactly what I told you.

To all the townies. PAY ATTENTION TO WHO VOTED ME.
 
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Kawl_USC

Member
TheWorthyEdge said:
explain.

I think LoC roleblocked me because Salva said that the only way my role can be blocked is if I am roleblocked. He then said "like what happened N1".
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It doesn't immediately follow that because your action on person X failed due to a role block, that it was person X who role blocked you. In fact that's a pretty ridiculous logical jump in a game with this many people.
 
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