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Has Any Character Been Ruined More Than Jin Kazama (Tekken)?
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No i honestly have to agree.
He didn't do the usuall , all friends are shitty , classic is best , I don't really have much of an argument thing.
The critcism that sega seems largely directionless with what they want to do with sonic, is very apparent in the products they are making. This is a company who, despite all common sense made a game with sections that will be will most likely look worse due to them making sonic mania where the physics and look are perfect.
It is very clear they don't know what they want to do , nor do they have confidence in their directionlessnes. Further more the idea that sonic as a franchise has fallen into the trap of, if we laugh with you its ok. Is very apparent, its not ok, one because people still shit on sonic, so didn't work. But two because they are still making the same mistakes they were making, no amount of humorless self referential laughter will fix that.
I'm wait and see on EVERYTHING they put out because of this.
They could directly address me. They could go
" hey village you, there I see you. We got platinum to make a shadow the hedgehog character action game like rising with time stop parries"
and my response would be
" how me the fucking recipts"
The last Tekken I played is 5, but even then I found Jin to be kind of a douche. He doesn't deserve Xiaoyu, which also happens to be my favorite character so maybe I'm just over protective 
You either die as an awesome character (rip Jun and Michelle) or live long enough to become a Jin.
You either die as an awesome character (rip Jun and Michelle) or live long enough to become a Jin.
Like I tend to ignore bad writing in games if the game is fun enough, but damn.
Heart of the Swarm is the worst of the lot. Even the story writer feels some of his writing was not great.
The whole Kerrigan deal was so bad. Then the finale just went full stupid with her character.
or live long enough to become Law and Paul. If female Nina, a woman who hasn't aged ever.The last Tekken I played is 5, but even then I found Jin to be kind of a douche. He doesn't deserve Xiaoyu, which also happens to be my favorite character so maybe I'm just over protective
You either die as an awesome character (rip Jun and Michelle) or live long enough to become a Jin.
DiipuSurotu
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Northeastmonk
Gold Member
He is his son. He is a balance of power and movement. He gets his grace from his mother, Jun. Tekken is a lot about family and relationships. I think he's a perfect addition, but he's been treated like crap for characters that aren't really that exciting. A lot of the new characters aren't really that interesting to the grand scheme of things.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Notcelot.
Agreed, though I do like ramifications of Ocelot and Miller in MGSV of course (and do love MGSV). Mainly agreed that Ocelot's culmination over the years was great. Total bad ass, boss af. That de-fragmenting slugfest is one of the most memorable highlights in the series for me, because of how all encompassing he became over time.
As far as I'm concerned, Tekken is the Saga of Irredeemable Assholes. The best ending ever was all three of them burning in the atmosphere.
Sumio Mondo
Member
MGS2 Solid Snake to boring ass almost mute Old Snake (MGS4) is the biggest drop in quality I've seen.
Solidus Snake in MGS4 was also earth shatteringly shit, how they treated such a great character. And Liquid Ocelot not being either Ocelot or Liquid in a sense (just Ocelot pretending to be Liquid, so you get neither the best of either character) in MGS4 was also incredibly lame. Then in MGSV he's even worse, he's just a nothing character.
MGS1 Naomi to MGS4 drama queen Naomi was also lame.
Solidus Snake in MGS4 was also earth shatteringly shit, how they treated such a great character. And Liquid Ocelot not being either Ocelot or Liquid in a sense (just Ocelot pretending to be Liquid, so you get neither the best of either character) in MGS4 was also incredibly lame. Then in MGSV he's even worse, he's just a nothing character.
MGS1 Naomi to MGS4 drama queen Naomi was also lame.
YoRHa No.2 Type B
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Patterbits
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The best portrayal of Oceleot in MGSV was in the trailer for Metal Gear Online.
I hate what they did to Cody. I liked him in Final Fight, but as he transitioned over to Street Fighter he became an asshole jailbird. I don't want to play as that.
I really agree with this one. It seems like Capcom misunderstood what people liked about Frank West when they put out Dead Rising 4. Of course, I think they generally misunderstood what people like about Dead Rising, too.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
I hate what they did to Cody. I liked him in Final Fight, but as he transitioned over to Street Fighter he became an asshole jailbird. I don't want to play as that.
How? He literally had no personality.
JustAnotherOtaku
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Zap Rowsdower
Banned
Nah, having Cody be a adrenaline junkie that couldn't stop fighting people to the point where he became a criminal is a surprisingly neat twist on what happens to a video game protagonist that can't move on with their life after beating up all the bad guys because it turns out that's all they ever knew.
Also Ashley from Mass Effect actually had character development in 1 and was a solid character. I can't fathom why people prefer the sentient piece of wet cardboard named Kaidan over her.
Isn't cody like uber OP thats why he has handcuffs? he could break em off or get out of jail whenever he wanted to. I thought that was pretty cool.
I hate what they did to Cody. I liked him in Final Fight, but as he transitioned over to Street Fighter he became an asshole jailbird. I don't want to play as that.
I really agree with this one. It seems like Capcom misunderstood what people liked about Frank West when they put out Dead Rising 4. Of course, I think they generally misunderstood what people like about Dead Rising, too.
Worst push than both of those examples is Marie Rose and Honkers in DOA.
At least Honkers has....honkers.
sean matsuda from second impact to third strike. a joke character in second impact with a beastly two hit reduced to that shitty whirlybird thing they gave him in 3rd strike which left him as just a joke. i cant even look at what they did to him.
It is cool. It is very, very cool.
Yeah, and now he has one. And is also like, one of the strongest people in the whole world.
I guess maybe he liked it better when he was generic Beat em up man?
DiipuSurotu
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petran79
Banned
I hate what they did to Cody. I liked him in Final Fight, but as he transitioned over to Street Fighter he became an asshole jailbird. I don't want to play as that.
Guy was even dumber. Beats Cody due to jealousy, Jessica dumbs Cody after he goes to jail and then Guy decides to become celibate and turn into ninja.
Wowfunhappy
Member
But Fusion came out before Other M. Yes, Fusion references things that happened in Other M, but who is to say those things happened the way the Other M says they did?
(Disclaimer, I never finished Metroid Fusion. One of those games I keep meaning to get back to some day.)
What happened to Rena?
MetalGearZed
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Imagine humans, in the future, finally overcoming Earth racism completely only to become space-racist.
Rodney McKay
Member
Gonna slide this in riiiight here.
Nuts and Bolts Banjo and Kazooie was a completely fine redesign IMO. Just made them a little more boxy is all. And the characters themselves were basically exactly the same personality wise (what little dialog they had in the game).
The game itself being completely different is another matter, but I loved it for what it was (a fun, inventive vehicle creation challenge completing game). And after playing some of Yooka Laylee, I think I'd rather just play Banjo Kazooie 1 again than hope for a "faithful" Banjo 3.
I think they just hit lightning in a bottle with BK1, since Tooie, DK64, and now YL failed to live up to it.
Two words: Skylanders Spyro
Now bare in mind, that this has been discussed plenty of times previously back when Skylanders first started, but the reason why I'm saying that Spyro got ruined was because after he was introduced, he was basically shoved off and pretty much never seen again afterwards. It is hard to say if he or Crash has had a harder time in this age of gaming, but it does seem like while Crash is going to relive his glory days, Spyro is stuck in purgatory.
Now bare in mind, that this has been discussed plenty of times previously back when Skylanders first started, but the reason why I'm saying that Spyro got ruined was because after he was introduced, he was basically shoved off and pretty much never seen again afterwards. It is hard to say if he or Crash has had a harder time in this age of gaming, but it does seem like while Crash is going to relive his glory days, Spyro is stuck in purgatory.
The Artisan
Member
Come on! She's gonna marry Jin dummy!
This should been the first response in this thread. Hell it should have been what the question was based on!
Diablohead
Member
SF5 did a lot of weird things to people, ken is also terrible.
snow in jamaica
Member
Haha god Tekken is a masterpiece. There's this, and Heihachi's central conflict as a character being that everyone else in his family is a Satan and he's not and that makes him really mad.
I'd argue that he wasn't that good in the first place but heh, I'm not a Tekken fan so I don't have a strong case for it.
What gets me is what Sega did to Vanessa in the Virtua Fighters games. Started as a buff black woman in VF4 and they kept on giving her a lighter skin tone and less muscles in each of the sequels. She went from being a unique character in fighting games to hot chick #561
Not that I'm excusing it, but at least for this case her complexion is a super easy fix in FS, and she's still plenty buff.
To tie to another part of this thread: Other M was a lot less "out of the blue character assassination" to people who read the Metroid manga, though the manga was never officially published outside of Japan (so it's still a case of wtf were they thinking, but there is context to why Samus is the way she is in that game).
Principate
Saint Titanfall
That shit is inevitable you can set your clock by it. It sad but humans have enough trouble empathising with and not sterotype other humans for whom they're fundamentally the same as. Actual aliens will be a completely different level.
I fully expect a first contact war like what was also stated to happen in the game.
Tizoc
Member
Continuity? The games are the usual save the day fare, there's no major plot connecting them at all. Any connection is something bare and simple.
As a life long fan, I see Sonic's character just as Mario; protagonist out to save the day, no form of fanart or the like could change that.
Ah when you put it like that I see what you mean. My understanding from reading the OP and the thread title is that it is more based on plot elements. I do agree that SEGA make the most needless issues when some Sonic games would benefit from being at least, smaller scale.
I agree
petran79
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I dont care about SNES lame storylines