Jawmuncher
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That's a shame.
Looks like i'll get around to reading Nemesis then, since it's been recommended to me before.
Hatred - Reveal & Gameplay Trailer
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That's a shame.
Looks like i'll get around to reading Nemesis then, since it's been recommended to me before.
I agree with some of that. The old GTA games were just a blast to turn on cheat codes and go nuts, and I, like many others, have a level enough head to detach that from reality and understand that it is just a game.
But the thing is, most games where you have the ability to just go on a rampage, it's not even really an objective it's just a possibility, and when you take part in it, the game doesn't reward you but instead actively tries to stop you. But what we've seen from this game, it seems pretty obvious that the whole point of this game is that sort of indiscriminate mayhem. It's not an option you can decide whether or not to do, when you boot up the game it's basically saying "here's a gun, fuck human life, kill everyone." Flat out encouraging and condoning it is way different than simply just giving the option to players.
-MD-
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Again, it's a trailer. If you need to think of it as a teaser, lots of teasers offer no context.
Mowki Kowski
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There is a pretense. You're an aspiring mass murderer. They make it pretty clear during the main character's monologue, which to me feels like they drew inspiration from the Columbine/V-Tech shootings and Elliott Rodger videos.
Not the same thing at all. Isometric shooters are fun games to play and are often challenging.
I can't imagine a game like what you've described having very good gameplay.
TheTurboFD
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There's a difference between killing people who are trying to kill you and killing innocent people who haven't done anything. These comparisons to uncharted are so stupid and show you really have no real argument.
thehillissilent
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Since Postal is already on Steam, I don't see why this wouldn't be allowed.
Haunted
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Polish developer, never heard of them before.
Why even talk in hypotheticals? The Battle Raper series of videogames already exists.
I recommend you do, it's a good read and turns quite a few established tropes on their ear.
You and I usually have similar tastes JM, but I've got to turn right on this one.
BadAss2961
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It's a mass-murdering game where you take control of one of those sick people right before they go on their spree. The trailer and the developers words really have no trouble saying so.
Fuck that game, fuck the devs, and fuck you if you're excited for it.
All I see here are the worst video game stereotypes in center spotlight. The trenchcoat, the stupid voice and angsty narrative, the long hair, the towering over helpless victims begging for mercy, etc. it's the wet dream of a bullied kid from the 90's. Ever heard of Columbine? I don't need a game of that. Nobody does.
Fuck all that. Videogaming doesn't need that shit. It's a game for cowards with revenge fantasies to beat their dicks raw over. I spent my whole life rallying for games to be everything and anything while politicians and know-nothings told us games would turn kids into killers. For the first time in my life I'm seeing it from the other side. No good can come from this game. We don't need it.
All I see here are the worst video game stereotypes in center spotlight. The trenchcoat, the stupid voice and angsty narrative, the long hair, the towering over helpless victims begging for mercy, etc. it's the wet dream of a bullied kid from the 90's. Ever heard of Columbine? I don't need a game of that. Nobody does.
Fuck all that. Videogaming doesn't need that shit. It's a game for cowards with revenge fantasies to beat their dicks raw over. I spent my whole life rallying for games to be everything and anything while politicians and know-nothings told us games would turn kids into killers. For the first time in my life I'm seeing it from the other side. No good can come from this game. We don't need it.
Maintenance
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Wait, are you telling me that there aren't some of those on the Vita already?
I kid, I kid.
You don't actually have to kill civilians in Postal... the only people you have to kill are enemies who attack you regardless of what you do.
Anyways, banning games just because they're edgy is dumb. Maybe it's distasteful and might be a horrible game mechanically but you shouldn't ban that.
dirtywhirlwind
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I don't get it. People saying it's tasteless, is that suppose to be an insult or something? Because that sounds like the complete opposite to me.
Mowki Kowski
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People who think games are getting too "politically correct" and trying too hard to aspire to a "higher form of art"
I mean, I agree that there are better ways to go about it, but honestly, games like Dead Rising or Doom have been filling this same urge for years. They're just obfuscating the killing by making the enemies inhuman monsters. You're still gunning down mobs of enemies with little regard for their safety. No amount of story or gameplay mechanics are going to hide the real purpose of those games and why people buy and play them.
-MD-
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Really?
Prophet Steve
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Based on pure curiosity I would already say yes. If the mechanics are fun, sure, no problem.
I like the style of this game enough to interest me. The interaction with the environment also looks fun, although I have my doubts how long this game will be fun.
freethoughtbubble
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This has to be satire. The protagonist is a trench coat wearing loser who spouts off Rorscharch-isms and launches his killing spree from what looks to be his comfortable suburban middle class home. Grungy long hair and everything. I don't buy the developers' stated goal. This game is going to give truth to the notion that "it's just a game" is not a valid defense against accusations of mindless violence. I have no interest in playing it though.
If it's not satire, and the devs are serious about wanting to combat "political correctness" invading their games, then they're idiots... But the game still should do some good in exposing just how wrong that way of thinking is.
Edit: the people in this thread saying they're excited over this game frankly scare me. Innocent victims beg for their lives before you blow them away. Sadistic murder is built into this game and is the entire point of the thing. How could any reasonable mind look past that and think to themselves "well this is just like geometry wars. Fun!" And what kind of person looks at that angsty cartoon and thinks they want to play as THAT?
If it's not satire, and the devs are serious about wanting to combat "political correctness" invading their games, then they're idiots... But the game still should do some good in exposing just how wrong that way of thinking is.
Edit: the people in this thread saying they're excited over this game frankly scare me. Innocent victims beg for their lives before you blow them away. Sadistic murder is built into this game and is the entire point of the thing. How could any reasonable mind look past that and think to themselves "well this is just like geometry wars. Fun!" And what kind of person looks at that angsty cartoon and thinks they want to play as THAT?
If it had good gameplay, would you be interested in a game where you go around raping women?
Yes or no.
Damerman
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Well, you never know until you have other parts to compare it to... but the victims begging for their life was stellar...
a grown adult may not say something as narcissistic and fantastical as what that guy was saying, so I'm not fully convinced if the developers did it on purpose or not. If they main character was a teen or early 20 something young adult, yeah the writing would seem spot on.
Jawmuncher
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No I meant that's a shame to the game itself.
I can't watch the trailer so all I had was the OP to go by.
Thought they would actually put some work into the concept, but after reading back about the trailer and your thoughts. Definitely doesn't sounds like the game I was thinking it would be. Since what I have been told of stuff like nemesis was what i was expecting. Something that would take it's controversial matter and do something actually worthwhile with it. Rather then just being controversial for being controversial. Which it sounds like isn't the case at all now.
Haunted
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Postal without the humor, Manhunt without the flimsy explanation, GTA without the context.
This seems like one of those drunk game ideas that seem really cool at the time. "Yeah, we're going to create something going against trends! Being edgy! Being controversial!" But then you'd expect at least one of those devs to turn around to his pals sometime during development and just going "what the fuck are we really doing here right now".
BadAss2961
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But... The gameplay looks solid, and Hatred is interesting visually. Content aside, this trailer looks like an evolution of Hotline Miami.
I dont think sex and violence are on a 1 to 1 level here for the sake of your study :/ I mean sex you watch porn and your urge is gone. Violence it isn't the same necessarily. It shows what you're trying to say, but I'd still request a scientific study about how violence in games lowers violent urges.
Because I don't think we can chalk rape and violence rates simply up to porn or video games. There are many more factors in society that have to be accounted for. That's why I'm requesting you find something that backs up your original stance, that violence in games will help lower violent urges.
Basically, not an article of correlation of two statistics, but a study on how violence would affect these people.
Well, watch the video when you can and make up your own mind. But definitely read Nemesis
I'm making a list.
BennyBlanco
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Is that the narrator from postal 2?
Whoa, false equivalence.
Abinash117
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Well the only thing so far is that he has some hatred on the world and wants to kill people while dying in a violent way. I'm sure they going to give it better context , but I fail to see how that makes it in difference because you are still a mass murder. I'm sure some people will try to justify that .
But if they give out some stupid sad back story I bet a lot more people will be even more angry at the game because it is trying to'humanize' a mass murdering psychopath or make the violence seem less than it is.
Violence for violence sake is as tasteless as titillation for titillation's sake. You can do it sure, but it's probably not going to result in anything that's meaningful or compelling. Again, I think this entire project is a huge bait and switch waiting to happen, but using a mean spirited nature as the crux of your game probably isn't going to result in something that people want to play.
Look at DOA Beach Volleyball. It is a competent minigame collection, but you don't really want to play it that much because everything is separated by giant walls of poorly animated breasts. It fails at being a minigame collection because it is predominantly more of a bad ogling simulator. If Hatred is what this trailer makes it out to be, and again, I don't think it will, this is probably frog fractions 2; this game will more than likely fail at being a twin stick shooter because it will be more of a tacky gore slide show because it feels like it needs to adhere to this "edge" that says killing people in a virtual space is enjoyable.
oflaherty01
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Except in GTA that is a choice that you make and when you kill them you aren't doing it for any other reason but to have fun. GTA is pretty cartoonish and non personal when killing people. This game has a clear ideological background where the guy states that everyone deserves to die. The personal executions as people are begging for their lives are way too personal and I would say tasteless. The serious tone of the game with the black and white scale in some ways makes it seem more realistic or close to reality than GTA is. One other thing I wanted to point out is the sense of mortality that you actually have in GTA, as you have to deal with more resistance as the wanted level goes up and you realize that you can't last forever. In this game the goal is to kill everything, meaning that you will probably not face the consequences of the actions that you take.
Yeah, silly question. If people want to play games like that they already exist (though granted, you have to jump through a few more hoops to find them). I would venture that most people playing such games view them through a filter separating it from reality like everything else.
thehillissilent
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When you get the time, you should watch the trailer and draw your own conclusions. We just know that you are playing a character who doesn't give a damn and is a mass murderer. We don't know if this game is satire or not at this point. We can only go by what the trailer is presenting.
Zomba13
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Doom has you fighting against many interesting types of enemies that fight back against you. It also has some interesting unusual weapons that aren't just guns that shoot bullets. Doom was incredibly violent and gory and that was definitely some of the appeal, there wasn't really anything like it at the time.
Dead Rising has you fighting large amounts of Zombies (pretty much humans) that are sluggish and slow and you over power them handily (much like the civilians in this game) Dead Rising does have interesting weapons and mechanics though that makes slaying hordes of the undead fun and interesting. You can use melee weapons, jokey toy weapons, guns etc. In the first one you use a camera and can take photos for points. From the second one on there was emphasis on creating hybrid weapons and zany combos.
Yeah, people buy those games because they are fun and they are fun because they have interesting ways of killing monsters/human like enemies but I think it's a bit dishonest to say people only buy those games to kill things and don't care about the mechanics or story. Doom wouldn't be as popular as it was if it was just kill things that don't fight back and Dead Rising wouldn't be as fun if there wasn't the variety of weapons and crazy psycho characters.
Maintenance
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I understand what you're saying, I just thought people wouldn't react like this. But I was wrong.
And why did you quote me twice?
Sums up everything I'm thinking about this game.
Nah man. Hotline Miami doesn't have you killing unarmed innocent people while they beg for their lives. Hotline Miami is Hitman in a different genre. That said, the context is hugely important here and that's what really sets them apart. The context for Hatred is just fucked. I can't defend it at all.
Is that comic anything like Irredeemable ? I really loved that one.
nero2082
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in DLC man, along with pregnant women
I have no idea how that post went through twice. I edited one and it dupped? Weird.
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