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HD-DVD Vs. BlueRay -- can someone explain to me why BlueRay is better ?

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Phoenix

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Hitokage said:
Space, support in the format for even more space, and inherent rewritability.

And its guaranteed to be in a shitload of PS3s making the standard highly likely to be supported. Unless Microsoft does HD-DVD in Xbox2, its damn near a lock that Blueray will get critical mass and become the standard.
 

Phoenix

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Quadrophenic said:
What benefits/features does HD-DVD have over Blu-Ray?

It is supposed to be cheaper to change existing production lines to HD-DVD, and of course it doesn't suffer from the Sony curse when it comes to introducing standards.
 

maharg

idspispopd
Phoenix said:
And its guaranteed to be in a shitload of PS3s making the standard highly likely to be supported. Unless Microsoft does HD-DVD in Xbox2, its damn near a lock that Blueray will get critical mass and become the standard.

Assuming anyone actually buys the movies or is even aware their PS3 can actually play them. This is by no means a garaunteed lock. Unless you assume that people will actually care about a new format released so soon.

capacity is king.

Oh yes, the format with the most space always wins format wars. :lol
 

speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
graham said:
Assuming anyone actually buys the movies or is even aware their PS3 can actually play them. This is by no means a garaunteed lock. Unless you assume that people will actually care about a new format released so soon.
That's one thing I am concerned about really. The choice between VHS to DVD was a huge leap, heck one of the main reasons why PS2 sold like crazy for launch in Japan was due to it's DVD playability and definitely helped in the spread of DVDs. Will the same strategy work for PS3?
 

Phoenix

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graham said:
Assuming anyone actually buys the movies or is even aware their PS3 can actually play them. This is by no means a garaunteed lock. Unless you assume that people will actually care about a new format released so soon.

I can tell you with certainty that the people who care (content owners) will go will a standard that is more deployed. While Sony would be wise to market the HD Blueray capabilities, once there are 30 million of them in the world, I can guarantee you that Time Warner, Disney, etc. will make sure their content is available in Blueray format.
 

human5892

Queen of Denmark
speedpop said:
That's one thing I am concerned about really. The choice between VHS to DVD was a huge leap, heck one of the main reasons why PS2 sold like crazy for launch in Japan was due to it's DVD playability and definitely helped in the spread of DVDs. Will the same strategy work for PS3?
Blu-Ray/HD-DVD are both a huge leap up from DVD, as well...if you're got the equipment to support it. Most people don't (hell, most people -- including myself -- aren't even getting the maximum out of their current DVD players), which is why I don't think either format will become particularly mass market for quite some time, and why I don't think Blu-Ray movie playback in PS3 will (would?) be as big a deal as DVD playback was.
 

border

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For the consumer, there is no technological advantage to HD-DVD format.

PS3 will help out BluRay a lot more than BluRay helps out PS3.

I think that the only way to get consumers into these new formats will be sneaking the players into their homes as PC drives and trojan horse devices. HD-DVD is without a horse at the moment, and it doesn't look like MS is going to put it in Xenon....
 

maharg

idspispopd
Phoenix said:
I can tell you with certainty that the people who care (content owners) will go will a standard that is more deployed. While Sony would be wise to market the HD Blueray capabilities, once there are 30 million of them in the world, I can guarantee you that Time Warner, Disney, etc. will make sure their content is available in Blueray format.

And if it doesn't sell, that will be short lived. The questions is, is there demand from consumers for a new format within the next 2-3 years. The content providers will go with what sells.

I am totally not about promoting one over the other. I think they'll both megaflop.
 

Phoenix

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border said:
For the consumer, there is no technological advantage to HD-DVD format.

PS3 will help out BluRay a lot more than BluRay helps out PS3.

I think that the only way to get consumers into these new formats will be sneaking the players into their homes as PC drives and trojan horse devices. HD-DVD is without a horse at the moment, and it doesn't look like MS is going to put it in Xenon....

Exactly. While DVD was something that pushed PS2s, the PS3 will be the thing that pushes Blueray.
 

G4life98

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graham said:
Assuming anyone actually buys the movies or is even aware their PS3 can actually play them. This is by no means a garaunteed lock. Unless you assume that people will actually care about a new format released so soon.



Oh yes, the format with the most space always wins format wars. :lol

looking at this through the eyes of a geek always in need of more storage space...blu seems to be the format of the future for the pc market.

i have a feeling we will be living with both formats for awhile as they each offer different benifits to the different industries at play here and eventually drives will be built to accomadte both.
 

maharg

idspispopd
Looking at it through the eyes of a consumer though, it's basically like getting burned no matter where you go. If you want backup discs you can go any which way, since none of them are going to stop producing rewritables any time soon (see: MiniDisc).

But when you start talking about prerecorded stuff you buy off the shelf at best buy or hmv, that's another matter.
 

VPhys

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Does Sony have a partnership with any compaines on the licensing of Blue Ray.


I'd hate to think Sony has a monopoly on the license - that worries me that Blue Ray discs will be expensive and remain that way as time goes by.


Can you say "meory stick/memory stick pro."
 

Pochacco

asking dangerous questions
VPhys said:
Does Sony have a partnership with any compaines on the licensing of Blue Ray.


I'd hate to think Sony has a monopoly on the license - that worries me that Blue Ray discs will be expensive and remain that way as time goes by.


Can you say "meory stick/memory stick pro."
"Blu-Ray" guys :)

And Sony isn't going alone this time. The Blu-Ray Disc Association (BDA) includes (among others) Dell, Hitachi, HP, JVC, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK and Thomson.
 

Crow

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Last I heard Blueray drives were uncapable of being backwards compatible with DVD's. The problem centers around the laser diferances, and the solution is not so simple as sticking in two lasers in the drive. Consumers are going to hate the fact that when they buy a Blueray player they will not be able to play their precious collection of DVD's on it.

HD-DVD does not have this problem however with a drive capable of playing both media types already successfully made. I think it's a huge advantage for HD-DVD, consumers are not yet ready for a switch yet if it means compatibility issues again.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Crow said:
Last I heard Blueray drives were uncapable of being backwards compatible with DVD's. The problem centers around the laser diferances, and the solution is not so simple as sticking in two lasers in the drive. Consumers are going to hate the fact that when they buy a Blueray player they will not be able to play their precious collection of DVD's on it.

HD-DVD does not have this problem however with a drive capable of playing both media types already successfully made. I think it's a huge advantage for HD-DVD, consumers are not yet ready for a switch yet if it means compatibility issues again.
FUD
 

acklame

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Crow said:
Last I heard Blueray drives were uncapable of being backwards compatible with DVD's. The problem centers around the laser diferances, and the solution is not so simple as sticking in two lasers in the drive. Consumers are going to hate the fact that when they buy a Blueray player they will not be able to play their precious collection of DVD's on it.

HD-DVD does not have this problem however with a drive capable of playing both media types already successfully made. I think it's a huge advantage for HD-DVD, consumers are not yet ready for a switch yet if it means compatibility issues again.
Completely false.

Blu-Ray is backward compatible with DVD.

VPhys said:
Does Sony have a partnership with any compaines on the licensing of Blue Ray.


I'd hate to think Sony has a monopoly on the license - that worries me that Blue Ray discs will be expensive and remain that way as time goes by.


Can you say "meory stick/memory stick pro."

Blu-Ray board of directors: Dell, HP, Hitachi, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Phillips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK, Thomson, 20th Century Fox, Walt Disney.

100+ members in Blu-Ray Disc Association.
 
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