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[nVidiot_Whore]

"Why aren't they saying anything?"

Because they haven't yet.

They've said quite a bit. The Police did release info, that they found guns in his house.. and they released accounts of what they alleged happened. Those accounts include no reports of verbal warnings.. and in fact, essentially state that he came to the door, turned around, and was shot.

A lot is missing, but what no longer is is the fact that the guy is known for waving guns around and acting crazy. That makes a lot of things make more sense.

Known by who?

The cop who shot him read a report on him?

You are really making assumptions. What was known was that he probably just threatened his neighbors with a gun, and then went inside his house.

It deserves him of having Police approach him with weapons drawn.. the rest of the "story" is full of blanks, and other info that the Police are releasing that really don't relate to the event whatsoever. They went out of their way to tell the media they found guns in his house, that he had a previous incident 3 years ago where he threatened neighbors with a gun, etc.. yet their account of the actual shooting is extremely brief.

At the very least, it's making me extremely suspicious of the cop who fired. The Police almost always, and in fact, I could say always, do everything they can to justify any officer involved shooting to the media. I bet the other cops were shocked as hell when he fired, considering the 3 cops who approached the door apparently didn't feel there was enough of a threat to fire.

 

[KevinRo]

One in every thread...

Several officers called for him to come outside, but Loxas refused, Rodbell said.[James] Peters shot Loxas in the head with a scope-equipped rifle from about 15 yards away when he leaned over and reached inside the house. Loxas died instantly, and fell with the baby in his arms, police spokesman Sgt. Mark Clark said. The baby was unhurt.

Get destroyed.

He shot him in the back with a scope-equipped rifle. Dude probably had mental health issues too. Posed no threat.

Fuck the police.

 

[neutralgamer02]

I have no idea if the cop's reaction was warranted, any kind of news reporting is going to simplify the situation.

But even if the cop's reaction was warranted and the cop did no wrong, doesn't mean we need to cheer. It sucks. A man died. His grandkid won't ever know him. At best, this is an unfortunate but necessary situation. It's not good that the guy died.

Exactly. This is why I got pissed off at the OP. Psychopaths are constantly celebrating all these tragic deaths.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

Get destroyed.

He shot him in the back with a scope-equipped rifle. Dude probably had mental health issues too. Posed no threat.

Fuck the police.

Where does that account come from?

The cop who shot was 15 yards away? With a scope on his head?

And the officers were simply asking the guy to come outside?

Link? Or is that in one of the linked articles?

 

[Miggytronz]

http://www.newser.com/article/d9suka480/arizona-police-officer-who-killed-man-holding-baby-had-6-other-shootings-including-5-fatals.html

"There were at least three officers that were in a position to engage the suspect," Clark said. "At least one of the officers thought he saw something in the suspect's hand. So at this point in the investigation we want to make sure we have all of the officers' statements down."

Rodbell said the investigation will likely take weeks to complete. Afterward, the findings will be turned over to the Maricopa County Attorney's Office.

Police said Loxas went back in his house after allegedly threatening the neighbors, then opened the door with the 9-month-old grandson in his arms but wouldn't come out.

Several officers called for him to come outside, but Loxas refused, Rodbell said. Peters shot Loxas in the head with a scope-equipped rifle from about 15 yards away when he leaned over and reached inside the house.

Loxas died instantly, and fell with the baby in his arms, police spokesman Sgt. Mark Clark said. The baby was unhurt.

Police said a loaded handgun was tucked into the side of a chair a few feet inside the door, and a shotgun was also found nearby.

Rodbell promised a complete investigation into the shooting.

"A police officer's primary duty is to protect life. It is difficult for everyone when we are forced to take a life," Rodbell said.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

They've said quite a bit. The Police did release info, that they found guns in his house.. and they released accounts of what they alleged happened. Those accounts include no reports of verbal warnings.. and in fact, essentially state that he came to the door, turned around, and was shot.



Known by who?

The cop who shot him read a report on him?

You are really making assumptions. What was known was that he probably just threatened his neighbors with a gun, and then went inside his house.

It deserves him of having Police approach him with weapons drawn.. the rest of the "story" is full of blanks, and other info that the Police are releasing that really don't relate to the event whatsoever. They went out of their way to tell the media they found guns in his house, that he had a previous incident 3 years ago where he threatened neighbors with a gun, etc.. yet their account of the actual shooting is extremely brief.

At the very least, it's making me extremely suspicious of the cop who fired. The Police almost always, and in fact, I could say always, do everything they can to justify any officer involved shooting to the media. I bet the other cops were shocked as hell when he fired, considering the 3 cops who approached the door apparently didn't feel there was enough of a threat to fire.

Like I said: Shoulder mounted cameras. Shit would be reviewed and dealt with before the day was done.

 

[Alucrid]

Exactly. This is why I got pissed off at the OP. Psychopaths are constantly celebrating all these tragic deaths.

But if you notice stump didn't wish for him to be shot in the head like you did.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Exactly. This is why I got pissed off at the OP. Psychopaths are constantly celebrating all these tragic deaths.

I mean, I would consider a man with a history of pulling a gun on people to be a psychopath.

Society typically doesn't have a great deal of tolerance for that behavior. While I'm not saying someone *should* celebrate, I comprehend why one would.

 

[Miggytronz]

Society typically doesn't have a great deal of tolerance for that behavior.

Im one who gives no sympathy for those idiots.

 

[shuri]

Am I the only one who has no problems with the fact that the officer has killed 6 persons in the line of duty? He was a SWAT guy; they don't mess around, they are called for extreme situations.

We don't have much info on what happened, but it does seems that the guy resisted and didn't comply. Which is a dumb thing to do when you have guns pointed at you. It sucks that a human life was lost, but the guy certainly didn't help his situation.

Here's the situation so far -- the suspect was holding a baby, was hostile, did not comply to order, and it (Seems) he decided to suddenly reach for something in his pocket. Do the cops let him take a chance to pull a gun on them, or even possibly the baby to use as a hostage?

The guy was a grown man; he should had complied. The cops took the best option they could at the time to defuse the situation.

The man made his own decision. Life is not nice.

 

[KevinRo]

Where does that account come from?

The cop who shot was 15 yards away? With a scope on his head?

And the officers were simply asking the guy to come outside?

Link? Or is that in one of the linked articles?

AP wrote it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ing-5-fatals/2012/02/15/gIQAmoeSGR_story.html

Also, mikas linked it.

I love the apologists in this thread.

 

[neutralgamer02]

Im one who gives no sympathy for those idiots.

So, don't expect me to give you any sympathy.

 

[DY_nasty]

I take all of those things into account, and think Police Officers should be far more reluctant to shoot a man, especially one holding a baby..

He was trained just for that in SWAT though. The shit those guys do is ridiculous.

Threatening your neighboors with a gun is something you should to time for IMO, but I still think the situation is an account of trigger happy Police.. and you might think that's OK as a soldier, but I certainly don't personally find it OK for civilian Police to act that way.

And as the reports indicate.. the guy who shot, wasn't the one who allegedly saw a weapon.

Okay, no is saying that brandishing a weapon is something that warrants a death sentence in a court of law. However, when you bring out a weapon... you open yourself up to all kinds of things. The duties are the same too. Not every soldier has the benefit of going after a clear, labeled enemy - most of the time its the exact opposite and its treated like heightened police work.

And as I said.. i'm avoiding filling in blanks, other than suggesting the fact that the blanks the Police have tried to "fill in" suggest that the blanks are just blanks.. if there were verbal warnings, or more time passed, more indication he was a threat, etc.. why are the Police not saying that? But instead are reporting that they found guns in his house? Finding guns in someones house is not a justification for shooting, verbal warnings potentially ARE.. so why not report them?

There isn't anything from them yet. These things don't just pour out. That is not how it works. They conduct their own investigation, someone above them does too.

Yet you are making all kinds of other assumptions.. like the idea that these cops knew about the other time he threatened his neighboors.. or that he was "acting crazy", etc.

Of course they did. You know about guys that are repeat offenders or are regulars - it comes with knowing your workplace. Not everyone you meet is a stranger. Some people just love fucking up so much that the cops know who it is before they even get an address.

Otherwise... their account appears to be that he came to the door, and turned around, and either reached to set something down or reached for something.. and was shot in the head with a baby in his arms.

and this is where i stop. because in order for something like this to happen, it'd be handled different immediately at every level and it would be thrown across the headlines of the article "cop kills grandfather in cold blood". but its not. it comes across as just another poorly written article that will be expanded upon in the evening news.

I have the opposite opinion of the "baby in his arms" aspect.. it should lead to further caution, not trigger happyness.. the guy had made no threats towards the baby.. and after the fact, looking at his Facebook.. that baby was his pride and joy.

He also comes across like kind of a nutty libertarian type.. which I can't stand personally, but don't believe it is relevant to this particular shooting.

again, a guy known for waving a gun around is now allegedly waving around a gun with baby

it changes the situation a lot.

and don't judge people by their facebook accounts

 

[Miggytronz]

So, don't expect me to give you any sympathy.

For having Common Sense........OK!!

 

[MWS Natural]

Wow. Okay.

Because cops knock on doors and shoot you in the head immediately.

You do realize there are videos of cops breaking into houses and shooting unarmed people right?

May I ask if you have any family members who are police officers? You always seem to be on the Cop defense force in these threads.

 

[Miggytronz]

Of course they did. You know about guys that are repeat offenders or are regulars - it comes with knowing your workplace. Not everyone you meet is a stranger. Some people just love fucking up so much that the cops know who it is before they even get an address.

and these types of Cops are called Community Resource Cops.....but GAF doesnt know that.

 

[KevinRo]

ramblings

The police officer had a scope. Perp turned around. Where was the threat to police/neighbors/baby? Why did he shoot to kill?

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

Im one who gives no sympathy for those idiots.

And I don't have to have sympathy for the guy to find this story, and the cops actions, disturbing. (again, based on what is being reported)

Reading the guys facebook page makes me think he's a complete moron.. looking at pictures of him pointing guns at his own face on his own Facebook, makes me think he's a douchebag moron.

I have no personal connection to the guy, nor do I really give a shit that he died..

Still think the cops actions, and the attempts to justify it are disturbing (based on the facts.)

 

[happyfunball]

http://www.newser.com/article/d9suka480/arizona-police-officer-who-killed-man-holding-baby-had-6-other-shootings-including-5-fatals.html

So the victim still had a baby in his arms? Unless that dude had a gun pointed at the baby's head, what kind of raging idiot takes a shot with a high-powered rifle at a person with a baby in their arms? When only one cop out of three involved in the incident thought it proper to deliver deadly force and he just so happens to have killed 6 others, maybe a straight jacket is a more fitting uniform.

 

[Macattk15]

Didn't we just have a dude who took his 2 kids away from a social worker and then proceed to blow up his house with them inside of it?

Who knows what this dude could of done to a baby if he was acting like a crazy person kicking neighbor's garbage cans and waving guns around. Does it justify the headshot kill? No not exactly ... but oh well.

If cops are called on you, you should probably stop acting like you don't give a fuck that they are there with their guns drawn on you. ESPECIALLY when you have a fucking previous record of waving guns around at people .... common sense, this man apparently lacked it.

 

[DangerStepp]

I can't tell what actually happened from reading that.

The writing is all over the place and God awful. Random facts and quotes taken out of context peppered through a poorly told story.

I had to carefully and slowly read it three times.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

So, don't expect me to give you any sympathy.

If I have a group of cops telling me to come out with my hands up and I don't come out with my hands up then I have NO problem with no one on Earth having any sympathy for me. Now if I'm calm, polite and compliant and I get shot 23287349237 times when the cop asked me to show ID then yes, that's a huge problem. But I'm not going to have a bleeding heart for a dude that had a history of pointing guns at people. Fuck that.

With that said, it's not like this was a no-knock warrant that was served in the dead of night and the guy grabbed the baby and a pistol to protect them both: That's what I hate about the police.

He knew he was in deep shit and ignored instructions to come out. When you act erratic around cops that have a report of you brandishing weapons at people this is the result when you try to use a kid as a shield and dart back inside.

It sucks, but that's life. Common sense is a lifesaver.

 

[DY_nasty]

You do realize there are videos of cops breaking into houses and shooting unarmed people right?

I, too, am black - and I know fucked up shit happens a lot. A whole lot. But I won't say that here. This dude wasn't baking cookies for his grandkid. He was threatening people with a loaded gun.

As for the videos... just understand the volume. Shit that happens 1% of the time isn't a regular occurrence. Even 2%. Or even 3%. Its still FAR from being routine shootyouinthefaceandshootingunarmedpeopleforthelulzsprinklesomecrackandgetamedal shit.

The police officer had a scope. Perp turned around. Where was the threat to police/neighbors/baby? Why did he shoot to kill?

Guns kill people.

And again, for the 20th time, a hell of a lot of information is missing. Like the article says.

Didn't we just have a dude who took his 2 kids away from a social worker and then proceed to blow up his house with them inside of it?

Who knows what this dude could of done to a baby if he was acting like a crazy person kicking neighbor's garbage cans and waving guns around. Does it justify the headshot kill? No not exactly ... but oh well.

If cops are called on you, you should probably stop acting like you don't give a fuck that they are there with their guns drawn on you. ESPECIALLY when you have a fucking previous record of waving guns around at people .... common sense, this man apparently lacked it.

No, that makes too much sense.

 

[reggieandTFE]

This cop should be in prison.

 

[crazygambit]

Even a 911 call is enough to put a red flag on someone. Especially if the caller is in fear of their life.

Cops arent trained to down people like that. We've been through this on GAF before. Cops are trained to hit the upper torso.

But he aimed and shot him in the head, NOT the upper torso.

I guess it's nice to know that you can order a hit on someone being an asshole just by saying he pointed a gun at you. If he has a black cellphone he's doomed.

 

[Mest30]

I think this shooting was not justified. First of all, the first thing responding officers should have done was set up a perimeter around the house and speak with the complaint/victim. I can't tell you how many times stories are drastically changed from the original 911 calls compared with what I'm told on scene. If the victim continues to say the guy pointed the gun at his face and he is willing to sign criminal complaints, then you approach the house.

Now the dude is on the front porch holding the baby. The police should be giving him verbal commands. If he is not listening and turns around to reenter the house, I don't see why they would shoot. Did the article say how close the closest officer was to the offender? I'm assuming it was pretty close. The guy turns around, why not charge at him and tackle him? There are 6 other officers on scene so it shouldn't be hard to control him. And i wouldn't think the baby would be seriously injured from a small fall. Don't other agencies have weapons other than guns? A taser would have worked great.

 

[Flo_Evans]

Dude was crazy, cop was trigger happy.

?


The moral of the story is don't act crazy around cops, cause you never know who wants to try out their negotiating skills vs. trigger skills.

If I was running the police force (haha) this cop would be up for some hardcore psychiatric review.

 

[Alucrid]

I think this shooting was not justified. First of all, the first thing responding officers should have done was set up a perimeter around the house and speak with the complaint/victim. I can't tell you how many times stories are drastically changed from the original 911 calls compared with what I'm told on scene. If the victim continues to say the guy pointed the gun at his face and he is willing to sign criminal complaints, then you approach the house.

Now the dude is on the front porch holding the baby. The police should be giving him verbal commands. If he is not listening and turns around to reenter the house, I don't see why they would shoot. Did the article say how close the closest officer was to the offender? I'm assuming it was pretty close. The guy turns around, why not charge at him and tackle him? There are 6 other officers on scene so it shouldn't be hard to control him. And i wouldn't think the baby would be seriously injured from a small fall. Don't other agencies have weapons other than guns? A taser would have worked great.

So are you a cop? Wouldn't you see the problem with charging someone who might be armed?

 

[Miggytronz]

I think this shooting was not justified. First of all, the first thing responding officers should have done was set up a perimeter around the house and speak with the complaint/victim. I can't tell you how many times stories are drastically changed from the original 911 calls compared with what I'm told on scene. If the victim continues to say the guy pointed the gun at his face and he is willing to sign criminal complaints, then you approach the house.

Now the dude is on the front porch holding the baby. The police should be giving him verbal commands. If he is not listening and turns around to reenter the house, I don't see why they would shoot. Did the article say how close the closest officer was to the offender? I'm assuming it was pretty close. The guy turns around, why not charge at him and tackle him? There are 6 other officers on scene so it shouldn't be hard to control him. And i wouldn't think the baby would be seriously injured from a small fall. Don't other agencies have weapons other than guns? A taser would have worked great.

WOW. For one you completely didnt read the OP.

And charging a known armed suspect........................THATS BEYOND STUPID.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

The police officer had a scope. Perp turned around. Where was the threat to police/neighbors/baby? Why did he shoot to kill?

1. The threat to the police was when they received a report of a man pointing a gun at people . They take that shit seriously. (I wish the courts took it MORE seriously so this man would be in jail after the first time and would still be breathing and maybe learn his lesson) When he put his hand in his pocket suddenly and didn't obey police orders to come out and stay out where they could see him. Once again, I learned this shit in the bronx when I was 9.

2. The threat to the neighbors is when he pulled a gun on one of them. Considering he's done that before...yea...he's not inspiring any sympathy from me. Sorry guys.

3. The threat to the baby was when he made the choice to bring the baby to the door with him. When he used it as a shield, allegedly. When he ignored officers instructions to NOT go back inside where his pistol and shotgun were waiting within a few feet...


That's all assuming the officers accounts of things are accurate. They VERY well may not be. Don't get it twisted, cops DO lie. Wouldn't shock me if they sprinkled some crack on him and planted the guns and baby.

But considering this dude has a history of pulling guns on people....yea....my give a damn is just broken for him.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

So are you a cop? Wouldn't you see the problem with charging someone who might be armed?

"OH! He has a gun! Well, let's gets in there boys!"

 

[Salazar]

The guy turns around, why not charge at him and tackle him?

So you're going to put your head down (to some extent) and run at an armed person.

Genius.

 

[Cyan]

meh deserved it

Reports of gun put the officers on edge, You try walking up to a door after hearing reports of some crazy person with a gun

Exactly. If an officer hears a report of a gun, or sees a gun, or thinks they might have seen a gun, or vaguely remembers a time a few years ago when they saw a gun...

Well, then you deserve to die.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

But he aimed and shot him in the head, NOT the upper torso.

I guess it's nice to know that you can order a hit on someone being an asshole just by saying he pointed a gun at you. If he has a black cellphone he's doomed.

You do realize the guy has a history of pulling guns out on his neighbors, right? As in, this wasn't the first time he did that. Can we all please stop ignoring this.

 

[KevinRo]

1. The threat to the police was when they received a report of a man pointing a gun at people . They take that shit seriously. (I wish the courts took it MORE seriously so this man would be in jail after the first time and would still be breathing and maybe learn his lesson) When he put his hand in his pocket suddenly and didn't obey police orders to come out and stay out where they could see him. Once again, I learned this shit in the bronx when I was 9.

2. The threat to the neighbors is when he pulled a gun on one of them. Considering he's done that before...yea...he's not inspiring any sympathy from me. Sorry guys.

3. The threat to the baby was when he made the choice to bring the baby to the door with him. When he used it as a shield, allegedly. When he ignored officers instructions to NOT go back inside where his pistol and shotgun were waiting within a few feet...


That's all assuming the officers accounts of things are accurate. They VERY well may not be. Don't get it twisted, cops DO lie. Wouldn't shock me if they sprinkled some crack on him and planted the guns and baby.

But considering this dude has a history of pulling guns on people....yea....my give a damn is just broken for him.

Lol OK dude. I don't seem to remember anyone asking you for your life story. Where you grew up doesn't give you automatic cred over the fact that cops are cops.

First off, he was not a threat to his neighbors at that moment. Then it drops down to, the officers and the child. Which the article states in this quote:

Police department spokesman Sgt. Mark Clark said investigators were looking into Peters’ decision to shoot Loxas on Tuesday and why officers felt threatened or believed he was a threat to the child.

Also, I don't understand why you mentioned the part of the gun and shotgun. You're bringing in facts that were found out AFTER he was killed.

Still, no one explained to me why a man with a scoped rifle shoots to kill so fast. Considering his department had to settle out of court for one of his last victims, for doing the same exact thing without even announcing his presence:

While he was talking on the phone, police cut the power to flush him out, Hutchings came outside with a gun to investigate. Police said he shot at officers and they shot back. Leonard said officers never announced their presence. The family accepted a $75,000 settlement from the city.

All I see from this is an officer with past experience having an itchy trigger finger.

You do realize the guy has a history of pulling guns out on his neighbors, right? As in, this wasn't the first time he did that. Can we all please stop ignoring this.

You do realize the cop has a history of killing other people. The most kills of any officer in Arizona. Not only that his department settled with one of the family of his victims.

*edit*

This is the best part of the article:

Police also told KPHO they had been to the same home in 2009 where the same man was also believed to have been waiving a gun at people.

So, police get the same call to his house 3 year ago and they don't kill him. Yet, this officer with a history of killing people, decides to shoot him and it's justified. Great.

 

[DY_nasty]

You do realize the cop has a history of killing other people. The most kills of any officer in Arizona. Not only that his department settled with one of the family of his victims.

He was SWAT.

They don't direct traffic or provide security for movie theaters...

 

[Miggytronz]

He was SWAT.

They don't direct traffic or provide security for movie theaters...

Exactly this.

At least 3 of the incidents occurred when he was SWAT. When a Police Chief calls in SWAT its like the president calling in the SEALS. Its a set mission, Most of the time its to stop the situation by any mean necessary. And in all those situations he was involved in he wasnt the only one firing.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Lol OK dude. I don't seem to remember anyone asking you for your life story. Where you grew up doesn't give you automatic cred over the fact that cops are cops.

First off, he was not a threat to his neighbors at that moment. Then it drops down to, the officers and the child. Which the article states in this quote:



Also, I don't understand why you mentioned the part of the gun and shotgun. You're bringing in facts that were found out AFTER he was killed.

Still, no one explained to me why a man with a scoped rifle shoots to kill so fast. Considering his department had to settle out of court for one of his last victims, for doing the same exact thing without even announcing his presence:



All I see from this is an officer with past experience having an itchy trigger finger.




You do realize the cop has a history of killing other people. The most kills of any officer in Arizona. Not only that his department settled with one of the family of his victims.

Don't stray into personal attacks man. I'm obviously not sharing my "life story" or trying to garner "street cred" (on neogaf dude? LOL). I'm just saying this is common sense that I was taught and assumed all knew this shit. I guess not.

Facts are facts. Period. The guy HAD two guns within a few feet of the door. That's a fact. Don't ignore it is all I'm saying. That was the reality at the time of that shot. The reality is the guy goes around pointing guns at people constantly and had an encounter with the police as a result of his own impulsive stupidity.

The officer shot to kill because:
1- Guy had a gun
2- Guy is erratic enough to point guns at people
3- Guy shields his own face with the baby
4- Guy tries to TAKE the baby back inside (where the two guns that you don't want me to mention are)

This will take time to discover all the facts. Truth be told, the facts could be lies. It's very possible...but going by the info that's available....I have no sympathy for the dude.

This wasn't a no knock warrant....

 

[Mammoth Jones]

*edit*

This is the best part of the article:



So, police get the same call to his house 3 year ago and they don't kill him. Yet, this officer with a history of killing people, decides to shoot him and it's justified. Great.

He wasn't killed as PUNISHMENT for pointing a gun at someone, LOL. I'm sure he didn't shield himself with a baby and try to dart back into his house that time either -OR- reach into his pocket suddenly. He knew why the cops were there...

..... SMH

 

[antonz]

Whole point is being missed. Cop Claimed Man had Black Object in his hand. Man did not and in fact his cell phone was in his pocket.

It certainly makes 911 seem like the cheap and effective way to hire assassins.

 

[happyfunball]

He was SWAT.

They don't direct traffic or provide security for movie theaters...

Which is the problem. SWAT is for grown-up boys that want to play army without the whole high risk of dying thing. A product of the failed "war on drugs" that continues to be as worthless and harmful as ever. To add more evidence to the insanity of this trend, some boys want more to play army with than just big guns to shoot at "people reaching for things". Obviously, we should have realized earlier the necessity for a tank in every small town in New Hampshire. How else could they keep the citizens safe?

 

[Harry Dresden]

If a cop pulls a gun on you. You stop. Drop what you're doing. And do what the cop says.

If you're innocent or if its a misunderstanding you can straighten all that up after the gun is put away. Even if they pin your down and handcuff you. You lay there with a knee in your back and you wait for the situation to calm down.

I would rather deal with a couple hours of bitching at a police station, or setting in a lockup then getting shot in the face.

 

[Mest30]

WOW. For one you completely didnt read the OP.

And charging a known armed suspect........................THATS BEYOND STUPID.

Actually, I did read the op. And its pretty clear to me that the guy was not armed. For one, a cell phone cannot be mistaken for a gun. Two, only 2 of 6 officers saw something in the guys hand, one of the officers being the farthest away and the one who pulled the trigger. Then it also says he was reaching for something. So he has a kid in one hand and something black in the other hand. So what was he reaching for, where was he reaching for it, and with what part of his body? Oh, and nothing found in his hand after being shot. Very obvious to me he was unarmed and actually had nothing in his hand. Just the cop trying to justify the shooting which they did a shit job of considering the contradictions.

So yes, I would charge the subject. His ooda loop (look it up) will be fucked and ill have the advantage. It's actually taught, too, considering the weapon was no where to be seen.

 

[HephalumpsAndWoozles]

If a cop pulls a gun on you. You stop. Drop what you're doing. And do what the cop says.

If you're innocent or if its a misunderstanding you can straighten all that up after the gun is put away. Even if they pin your down and handcuff you. You lay there with a knee in your back and you wait for the situation to calm down.

I would rather deal with a couple hours of bitching at a police station, or setting in a lockup then getting shot in the face.

Or he has every right to shoot you in the face, right?

Neither person in this situation I would say is completely free of mental instability. For one though, its his job to carry a gun and kill people, apparently.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

I have some other questions:

If this guy had apparently threatened his neighbors with a gun 2-3 years earlier?

Why is he not a convicted felon? Why does he still legally own guns in the first place?

WTF is up with the family putting a baby in his care? Threatening a neighbor with a gun is a very serious offense, deserving of prison time... yet the guy apparently was set free to continue to own guns?

I really don't have a lot of sympathy for the guy himself.. what he did was idiotic, and he's a degenerate in the first place for threatening his neighbors.

I still take issue with the shooting itself, and the way I feel the cops are trying to justify it, and don't appear to be suggesting it could have been a wrongful shooting. People will say "Well that's not what cops do." And I just say, why not? Why are cops so immediately defending themselves and everything is PR-written to make it sound like he made a good decision, but of course "being investigated".. which a huge percentage of cases means, he'll be put on paid administrative leave until he's given his job back.

I'd feel a lot better about the Police if their initial statements in cases like this AT LEAST said something like "We have concerns over the justification".. and I think the general public would act a bit less reactionary in these situations if the cops did less justifying after the fact (he had guns in his house, a prior incident, etc.) and more realistic focusing on the facts and potential concern for whether the shooting officer should have a job where he's showing up pointing guns at people.

It just doesn't seem like that's what happens.. you GENERALLY get the opposite. It's why stories like this concern or upset me.. I think we could have a much better relationship with the Police in general, and unfortunately for myself, at least here in Seattle, I mostly just FEAR the Police because of my own personal experience with them, or find myself somewhat disgusted with the way they act.

 

[DY_nasty]

Which is the problem. SWAT is for grown-up boys that want to play army without the whole high risk of dying thing. A product of the failed "war on drugs" that continues to be as worthless and harmful as ever. To add more evidence to the insanity of this trend, some boys want more to play army with than just big guns to shoot at "people reaching for things". Obviously, we should have realized earlier the necessity for a tank in every small town in New Hampshire. How else could they keep the citizens safe?

I don't even

 

[antonz]

Or he has every right to shoot you in the face, right?

Neither person in this situation I would say is completely free of mental instability. For one though, its his job to carry a gun and kill people, apparently.

A someone who lives in the city area where this shooting took place not even most police are comfortable with it. They were on TV talking about the very fact this guy has been involved in enough shootings its clear he needs a new assignment as a detective or something if only because of the toll shootings take on a person let alone 7 of them

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

A someone who lives in the city area where this shooting took place not even most police are comfortable with it. They were on TV talking about the very fact this guy has been involved in enough shootings its clear he needs a new assignment as a detective or something if only because of the toll shootings take on a person let alone 7 of them

That's kind of good to hear.

Thanks.

 

[akira28]

I'm guessing someone is really regretting that they made grandpa babysit when he didn't really want to...

 

[Puddles]

Dude on the left looks like a combination of Harvey Keitel, Christian Slater, and Bono.