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Headshot, Scottsdale Police Officer: Killstreak 7
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Don't believe everything you read on GAF son.
bigtroyjon
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The upper torso and head was exposed. More than enough margin of error for a cop to shot at the head. If you aim for a knee and are inches off you can miss but he'd have to be off by feet to hit the baby if it has been lowered.
Keylime
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I'm not filling in any pieces...I'm assuming the story happened as it was written because that's the only source we have on what went down.
Naturally I'd be completely willing to change my opinion if/when the whole story gets out there, but as written...this dude didn't deserve to get shot.
HephalumpsAndWoozles
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Its a good thing that cop has good aim, otherwise he probably would have been fired a long ass time ago.
Dead victims have a much harder time winning lawsuits Id assume.
Dead victims have a much harder time winning lawsuits Id assume.
You may want to calm down first.
First, its a poorly written article. Second, no confrontation like that is going to be summed up in less than a paragraph. Especially if there were multiple accounts. Next, the guy was already thought to have a gun and have threatened someone with it. On top of that, this poorly written article doesn't even address what is said by the officers who were at the door. Then, you've got what looks like a weapon on the guy who just supposedly threatened someone (and if you had been threatened with a weapon - you'd like cops to take that kind of thing seriously, right?).
No situation like this is black and white. The cop was trigger happy, yeah, and he made a judgement call that not many would've made. At the same time... I can't really disagree with it too much because of the circumstances surrounding it and the lack of details regarding the entire sequence of events provided in the article.
But by all means, the "PICK A SIDE. HE IS WRONG. YOU SUPPORT INNOCENT PEOPLE BEING KILLED??? HMMMM?" is fun.
Miggytronz
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57379270-504083/ariz-police-officer-who-fatally-shot-suspect-tuesday-has-killed-at-least-5-while-on-duty/
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_northeast_valley/scottsdale/grandfather-shot-dead-by-police-wanted-to-run-for-president
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_northeast_valley/scottsdale/grandfather-shot-dead-by-police-wanted-to-run-for-president
Um, like I said in the first half of my post that I find it disingenuous to assume that the article covers everything that occurred.
LMFAO
fabricated backlash
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Bullshit. You shoot in close proximity to a baby, you take the risk of killing it as well.
This sack of shit was willing to take the shot without regard of the kids safety.
But I guess that's well worth the risk no? I mean, the chances of him missing are really slim, given his impressive killing spree so far.
nVidiot_Whore
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Pointless condescending statement, I'm perfectly calm.
Get over yourself.
nVidiot_Whore said:
If it's a poorly written article missing facts then I'm sure that will come to light.
Like I said repeatedly, BASED ON THE FACTS PRESENTED it appears to be a horribly trigger happy officer who killed a man who was threatening no-one and not committing any crime.
And no one has yet to explain how he was supposed to "put his hands up" with a baby in his hands.. or how it's not perfectly reasonable to suggest maybe that's exactly why he turned around.. you don't drop a baby on your front porch.
oh my
Keylime
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Sure...but like you said...instead of filling in the blanks I'm going by what's written. The option is to either go by what the story said verbatim or to make shit up. Either way we both agree we don't have the full story, I'm just saying that making assumptions about what happened doesn't make your case any stronger.
Regardless, my point still stands. As written, the story paints the picture of a guy who was killed without reasonable probable cause.
bigtroyjon
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Nope, as former SWAT he's likely been trained in this exact scenario. Kids safety was more at risk going back inside with the lunatic.
Miggytronz
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ok lets all just brandish our guns and point them at people all day eryday kuz we're good boys. K.
Or you can wait on passing judgements until more information comes to light.
Miggytronz
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And he was using a Rifle. Single Shot M16 (i think is what most units use) is pretty damn accurate.
fabricated backlash
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You keep telling yourself that.
HephalumpsAndWoozles
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What puts a child more at risk.
A situation in which gun shots may be fired around the child. Thats a big maybe ( assuming supercop isnt there).
Or a situation where gun shots are fired in the child's direction?
bigtroyjon
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Yeah, this is the kind of guy cops should give the benefit of the doubt to, shorty after threatening his neighbor.
You are more likely to kill a kid on the sidewalk driving your car down the road, than he was shooting at the head as a highly trained officer. You better not ever drive and risk killing kids.
How about you learn how to argue like a big kid and not go straight to "SO YOU HATE FREEDOM? YOU WANT TURRRISTS TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD?" once you get agitated by a comment that doesn't agree with you? It makes it hard to take you seriously.
How about you actually respond to what I write? Like the part about wanting police to respond to YOUR being threatened with a gun - you'd like them to take it seriously right?
nVidiot_Whore
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http://www.facebook.com/loxas2012
There's his actual Facebook.
I can find none of the "violence" mentioned.. and he certainly isn't spending a lot of time talking about running for President.
He looks like your average libertarian type..
But where is the article getting these supposed violent posts from?
Maleficence
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First of all I think it's better to confirm a weapon rather than it being a possibility before deciding to end one's life.
Secondly, why the fuck was this guy still allowed to own guns if he had already done stupid shit with them before?
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Or maybe you're not fit to be a cop. You don't shoot people on assumptions.
As a police officer you have to prepare for the worst case scenario, but as a citizen you cannot be expecting to be shot in the head by a police officer for turning around or for holding a baby.
The police officer made an extremely poor decision based on extremely sketchy details and should have his decision making process revoked. As long as it involves a gun anyway.
HephalumpsAndWoozles
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How many more people should die while he's on duty before we start to question whether he should really be "protecting" the citizens of Scottsdale or if he should be working for someone like Blackwater?
fabricated backlash
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Arguing that a guy who allready killed 5 people while on duty, shot in close proximity of a baby, might not be fit for working in police forces or being responsible enough to carry a gun is stupid?
God forbid people would demand police to actually have some standards instead of tolerating such trigger happy lunatics in their forces. What next, Police driveby shootings, because getting out of the car would be too much of a timewaste in which suspects could get their gun out of their drawers?
Mammoth Jones
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Agreed.
Am I the ONLY person that was taught "If you're stopped by or involved with a cop...don't try to get away or make sudden movements into your pockets?"
I'm not talking about the way it SHOULD be, I'm talking about the way it IS. Dude has been waiving his gun around multiple times it seems. This was the time that bit him in the ass.
He didn't follow the golden rule: Don't start shit, won't be shit.
what the fuck...
nVidiot_Whore
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WTF? Where have I acted like that whatsoever? Again, get over yourself..
So you want to paraphrase me like I'm some moron and then expect me to respond to every word of yours?
How about you do the same.. start quoting where I sound like "SO YOU HATE FREEDOM?"
or "PICK A SIDE. HE IS WRONG. YOU SUPPORT INNOCENT PEOPLE BEING KILLED??? HMMMM?"
Argue like a big kid? Honestly, grow up dude. I've been asking questions and presenting logic, and you turn around with this bullshit paraphrasing and then accuse me of not arguing like a "big kid."
Where did I suggest that shouldn't be taken seriously?
Please quote where.
In fact quote every single thing you are accusing me of saying, assuming, or implying.
I ignored that chunk of your post because it wasn't anything related to what I'm discussing or arguing for or against.
But yes, I think that should be taken seriously.. nowhere have I said the fact 6 police officers showed up with guns drawn was wrong.. or that what the guy did was right.. in fact I said the opposite. So let's discuss the FACTS PRESENTED IN THE ARTICLE please.
The police department already had to pay up to the family of one man that got killed by this guy.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...-tuesday-has-killed-at-least-5-while-on-duty/
Problem?
Actually Raylan goes out of his way to not fire his gun unless necessary.
Hard to make a judgement call based off that article.
The officer needed to make a quick judgement call based off the limited facts he had, he chose to eliminate the chance of a hostage situation. Because of his Swat training he had the ability to do this
Still not clear if that was the wrong call based on the fact the guy was going into his house where there was in fact a loaded gun.
In 2006 there was a report of a gunman at Dawson college in montreal, standard police tactic was to cordon off the area and wait on swat. Instead the first officers on the scene entered the campus and took out the gunman.
Final toll, 1 dead and 19 wounded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting
http://www.policeone.com/active-sho...olice-learned-from-previous-school-shootings/
Had those officers not gone in the deathcount would have been terrible
The fact that this is his 7th shooting however makes me a little suspect
The officer needed to make a quick judgement call based off the limited facts he had, he chose to eliminate the chance of a hostage situation. Because of his Swat training he had the ability to do this
Still not clear if that was the wrong call based on the fact the guy was going into his house where there was in fact a loaded gun.
In 2006 there was a report of a gunman at Dawson college in montreal, standard police tactic was to cordon off the area and wait on swat. Instead the first officers on the scene entered the campus and took out the gunman.
Final toll, 1 dead and 19 wounded.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting
http://www.policeone.com/active-sho...olice-learned-from-previous-school-shootings/
Had those officers not gone in the deathcount would have been terrible
The fact that this is his 7th shooting however makes me a little suspect
bigtroyjon
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So I guess you must have some kind of learning disability that keeps you from reading and comprehending the articles?
It says his campaign's Facebook
Miggytronz
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That situation is another story, and we dont even know the specifics about it. Stay on topic.
Woah, that's the same guy?
Ya, dude should be in prison.
This cop is a terrible person and does terrible things. A shining example to every law enforcement officer on how NOT to act in pressure situations.
Mammoth Jones
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This dude apparently has had a history of pulling guns on people. Since we're getting our hyperbole on: Should the cops have brought him some chocolate chip ice cream and watched some sitcoms with the guy and then talk about their feelings?
The asshole put the baby at risk by bringing him outside. He put himself in hot water by pointing a gun in someones face. One day he would have pulled the trigger. I'm glad that won't happen.
nVidiot_Whore
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Thanks for the link.
And go fuck yourself. I asked a question and you provided the answer, telling me I have a learning disability is really necessary?
This coming from the guy that is using what he's read on GAF to back his stance? Sir, please stop. In real life, people are trained for these scenarios. This is aside from rather or not the shot was justified, he has been trained for those types of shots.
Was just the first thing that came to mind.
Sho_Nuff82
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My first reaction:
- Guy was obviously an idiot. Who knocks over their neighbors trash and pulls a gun when confronted over it?
- If you're the police, you tell a suspect to put down the baby and put his hands up, and he ignores your orders despite being completely surrounded, you assume that the situation is going to get ugly.
- That shot is EXTREMELY risky considering he was holding a baby (hostage?). What if he missed? What if the guy fell and crushed the child? 18 feet isn't a huge distance for a trained officer, but I imagine there has to be protocol about opening fire with innocents in the way.
- Guy was obviously an idiot. Who knocks over their neighbors trash and pulls a gun when confronted over it?
- If you're the police, you tell a suspect to put down the baby and put his hands up, and he ignores your orders despite being completely surrounded, you assume that the situation is going to get ugly.
- That shot is EXTREMELY risky considering he was holding a baby (hostage?). What if he missed? What if the guy fell and crushed the child? 18 feet isn't a huge distance for a trained officer, but I imagine there has to be protocol about opening fire with innocents in the way.
nvidiot wtf are you on
i thought you were a smart guy at one point. but do you not realize that you started going ham when you quoted me HERE and didn't even respond to shit that I wrote? You sound crazy, and possibly emotionally attached to this story bro. I think you should stop posting and talk a walk or have some kool-aid.
i thought you were a smart guy at one point. but do you not realize that you started going ham when you quoted me HERE and didn't even respond to shit that I wrote? You sound crazy, and possibly emotionally attached to this story bro. I think you should stop posting and talk a walk or have some kool-aid.
Those situations are another story, and we dont even know the specifics about it. Stay on topic.
We're quoting from the same articles
HephalumpsAndWoozles
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So ignore other situations in which this officer has killed people because its "not on topic".
:lol
Riiight.
fabricated backlash
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So it's perfectly ok to willingly risk shooting a kid, just because car accidents happen? What the hell are you on about?
A highly trained officer? This guy might be a good shooter, but I'd say his killing spree so far has made one thing blatantly obvious: He's probably not the most stable guy to be holding a gun as a profession.
Get him some work at blackwater or other tolerated criminal organizations, but he seems awfully unfit to wear a badge. Unless being a cop nowadays means to shoot people at your own leisure.
neutralgamer02
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I'm not sure why people bother with threads like this. You always have idiots defend every cops action. Waste of time arguing against them.
Omegasquash
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From what I've read, the officer in question made a very, VERY bad call, and needs to be held accountable for it. It doesn't matter whether or not Loxas had a record and had 911 called on him.
This guy needs to be fired and put on trial for 2nd degree murder.
This guy needs to be fired and put on trial for 2nd degree murder.
Miggytronz
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Those stories have nothing to do with a crazy grandpa whos been pointing his gun at people and later died kuz of his idiocracy.
poppabk
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He was a former member of a swat team who are called out specifically when there may be a need of an armed response, so judging him on just the number of deadly responses he was involved in is off base.
I understand why the cop did what he did but in the absence of any other evidence it seems like he was too quick to use deadly force. He may have saved a young life and prevented a serious gun battle, he may have shot an unarmed man who was going to put his grandson somewhere safe before dealing with armed police. We'll never know, and in the absence of knowledge, the judgement definitely seems against the cop in this case.
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