BlackLagoon
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Forget Baileys, at this point Reince must taking his cereal with meth and industrial solvent.
"Health care" bill withdrawn due to lack of votes
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Who would voluntarily take that job? Ryan did not want it himself.
RPGCrazied
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Lol.
I just can't.... This guy. And Fox News playing along. Its fucking pathetic.
I swear, he either doesn't know how video recordings work or he really is delusional and makes up his own reality as he goes. Holy fuck, someone call him out on that, do your jobs reporters
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/845422234869018625
Trump next year: "I never said no nothin' 'bout no wall, fugetaboutit".
That I can't say.
BlackLagoon
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Yeah, Ryan was coaxed into taking it because he was seen as the only one with some degree of respect from all sides of the party, and someone who could potentially wrangle the Freedom Caucus into playing ball every now and then. If he failed, the only taker would be some low-profile sacrificial lamb that has nothing to lose. Who wants to be the next Boehner?
Can we hope they vote someone in who is publicly declining the role? That would be pretty sweet.
Saint Gregory
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Umm, I'm confused. What was the bluff exactly? And how does anything that happened yesterday help Trump down the road? Guess I must suck at poker.
RPGCrazied
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Isn't it funny though that Trump said nice things about Paul Ryan during his speech after the bill failed. Then today asked on his twitter account people to watch Judge Jeanine on Fox News, first thing she said on her show was Paul Ryan needs to resign.
Hahahah
Hahahah
Because Trump is a fucking coward.
I mean right after the bill failed he both said he was going to start working with the Democrats on healthcare, and then elsewhere completely blamed them for what happened.
The guy loves riding the fence until he finds the side that works out best for his own interest.
RPGCrazied
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Someone needs to tweet Paul Ryan all this. Unless he knows, don't know if he watches TV though. Still this is hilarious.
KernelPanic
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That fake Papa Roach photoshop keeps giving:
Would be pretty funny if the dems turned him on a healthcare bill that actually fixed things. The man literally has no convictions, the democrats should take advantage of that.
They just need to tell him how great and bigly it'll be, and how they'll put his name on it and he'll be admired for all of US history. TRUMPCARE YAY.
Really? I was under the impression Ryan helped to oust Boehner to get the chair. The far right -hated- Boehner as he (smartly) negotiated on both sides to get policy through to appease both his opponents and base during the last decade. Ryan essentially is just a mouthpiece plant that made it clear he would do exactly the opposite and live/die by his tea party overlords.
The Real Abed
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Is this real? It looks real. We need someone to follow Trump to all his rallies and speeches and hold up that sign behind him too.
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THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Trick? Didn't he promise that everyone will have health care and the government will pay for it?
They spent a week begging him to take it. He said no publically at the beginning, the house would have decended into chaos if Ryan didn't get dragged into the speakership.
During said begging, they ask literally every other high ranking house member, all of them turned it down.
Ryan was one of the only big names that had clout with most of the factions. Specially the HFC.
Remember the dude that was set to take the speakership, on the day of the vote, said he needed to turn it down to, I kid you not, focus on his family. You would think he just got caught in a comprising position and had to resign (found with a gay hooker etc) instead of taking the position of one of the most prestigious political offices in the US. (In sane times)
metalslimer
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To be fair Boehner couldn't have passed that bill. Of course he never would have crafted that bill. The big problem for Republicans is there is nothing that can pass all chambers. Makes Nancy Pelosi with the ACA. even more impressive. She also pretty much has every Democrat in the house on lock down to vote for nothing.
RPGCrazied
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shawnbuddy
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Does he really think endorsing his TV judge's comments is somehow a more clever way to make the point than doing it himself? Does he think he has some sort of cover cause she said it and he didn't? Cause neither are true, he might as well have said it himself. He's started a civil war in his own party.
I stand corrected, admittedly I wasn't paying super close attention then and only read a few articles at the time about it but clearly misremember how it all shook down.
Well the last time he quoted a fox news judge it didn't work out too well for him, so there is that bright side.
Lmao ether.
Just look at what the HFC just did to Ryan, this is exactly what they did to boehner and why he just quit. And why Ryan didn't want this job, do you think you can run for president after a failed speakership were 20-30 of your own party torpedoed your entire agenda?
BlackLagoon
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Ryan wanted to be president, and being Speaker puts his face on every unpopular or failed measure the House take. It's a stench that nearly impossible to get rid of and very easy for opponents to exploit. He did not want this, but I guess took it out of duty to his party.
And I don't think anyone "ousted" Boehner, seems like he'd simply had enough of this shit. The press conference about his resignation was pretty telling - he was smiling and humming a little tune, like a man who'd just learnt his previously terminal cancer was in remission.
The HFC was gunning for boehner in the same week. They thought he was being too nice to Obama and not obstructing enough. Remember boehner denied the HFC shutdowning down the government again, so they were angry. They were ready to trigger the election for a new speaker. Boehner knew his time was running out and everyone expected him to do somethijg crazy to appease and divert the attention of the HFC.
No one expected him to use the Pope's visit to quit.
It is great to see even Fox call for Ryan's head, but playing the victim card for Trump made my stomach churn. Zero liability in this? Trump is just an innocent outsider that got bamboozled by young Ryan's political charms?
If anything THAT is what he wanted his base to witness tonight.
Oh holy shit I forgot all about the pope visit angle on all that.
What we considered political insanity was so much tamer then. innocent times
Well Boehner is actually a devout Catholic, so I have no doubt that meeting his spiritual leader would be an awe inspiring moment that made him change course.
nintendoman58
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Is this real?
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Trump is going to cause a civil war within the party and get nothing done in the mean while.
"i certainly have not spoken to the president" right.. hours before he tweeted it.
He does this thing where he's like, "This person said this thing," and he thinks it gives him complete cover to say anything.
He used it during the primary to call Ted Cruz a pussy: http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/08/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-waterboarding/
He used it just recently in his crazy Time interview to keep pushing the wiretapping lie: http://time.com/4710456/donald-trump-time-interview-truth-falsehood/
It's was only his sixty-forth day, how could he know this behavior is unpresidential?
Steeped in a Sea of Games
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Step 1: Stop Democrats from being in power.
Step 2: Throw Republican party into disarray.
Step 3: Throw all of America into chaos.
Step 4: Give Putin eastern Europe.
Step 5: ???
Step 6: Trump gets a lot of money.
Step 2: Throw Republican party into disarray.
Step 3: Throw all of America into chaos.
Step 4: Give Putin eastern Europe.
Step 5: ???
Step 6: Trump gets a lot of money.
Yes and I believe some stuffy old farts got very upset with him over it.
GrizzleBoy
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Fixed that for ya.
of course, I don't doubt it, just saying I forgot about it and that what qualified as intriguing then is refreshingly tame.
*Jack from Lost we have to go back .gif*
Joel Was Right
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The bill failed to get votes because the Freedom Caucus, the modern Tea Party, did not think it went far enough in repealing Obamacare - the same ideology that Fox and Breitbart have for years advocated. The White House lost this round because they could not convince the ideologues that have been created by right-wing media to govern rather than oppose, and so now Trump is using that same right-wing media platform to attack the Freedom Caucus?
If Trump wants to pass health care reform, he has to go around the Caucus and approach Democrats to get the votes he needs. It'll be interesting to see whether Breitbart and Fox continue their loyalty once they see the President reject the "patriots on the Hill".
If Trump wants to pass health care reform, he has to go around the Caucus and approach Democrats to get the votes he needs. It'll be interesting to see whether Breitbart and Fox continue their loyalty once they see the President reject the "patriots on the Hill".
It's more like there is no bill that would appease the extremists that the moderates would also vote for. What the two sides want is too far apart.
SneakersSO
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Not just that, this week proved that the position is absolutely toxic to any Republican who sits in it. That'll be two political careers the House Speaker position has destroyed in the last few years. The GOP makeup in Congress is so ridiculous that this is going to be the result for anyone who sits there.
Yeah, there wasn't any bill that'd actually please the Republicans on a whole. At best maybe they could've made something that the Democrats and moderate Republicans could've agreed on, but like hell you'd see something like that coming from this administration. And the Republicans would probably be too stubborn to agree to anything from Democrats even if they would've made it themselves (Obamacare anyone?)
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