More_Badass
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I want to see this movie.
"Health care" bill withdrawn due to lack of votes
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Steve Youngblood
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"And since they think I'm bluffing, I win! Granted, I pissed away most of my chips on an ill-conceived strategy to build a certain table rep and the pot isn't very big as a result, but I win the hand dammit!"
smokeandmirrors
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guys i was only pretending to be bad at life
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I think he has dementia
I swear, he either doesn't know how video recordings work or he really is delusional and makes up his own reality as he goes. Holy fuck, someone call him out on that, do your jobs reporters
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/845422234869018625
I've heard things
People are saying
This. People keep saying they'll blame democrats for the ACA collapsing and it'll be Obama's fault, and that people will buy it, but the electorate has always blamed the ones in the seat, and especially so if they make blatant moves to sabotage it. The veil is off: Obamacare is now the ACA, people had 7 years to learn it didn't make for death panels that were going to kill your grandma, and even the red voters love it too hence the slip and slide yesterday.
Honestly, the republicans are in the awkward place of actually having to work with democrats to also improve the bill they've spent the last 7 years of their political focus lambasting if they want to regain any sense of positive momentum after yesterdays utter collapse.
Reminds me of the scene in Blackadder where the idiot Prince tells Blackadder he's been spending time playing a game called "cards" and believes the objective is to be the first to give away all your money. He is of course a natural.
Angelus Errare
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I swear, he either doesn't know how video recordings work or he really is delusional and makes up his own reality as he goes. Holy fuck, someone call him out on that, do your jobs reporters
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/845422234869018625
Is it fair to say that Trump supporters are now claiming that the previous video footage of him making day one promises was actually CGI propaganda put out by the Democrats and that Trump never actually said any of these things? And that anyone that claims to have actually been at these events and claimed to have heard him say it is a Democrat plant?
I think that's the only way you can rationalize this if you don't want to admit he lied or has a mental condition.
PrivateWHudson
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I swear, he either doesn't know how video recordings work or he really is delusional and makes up his own reality as he goes. Holy fuck, someone call him out on that, do your jobs reporters
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/845422234869018625
I'm sure he's just used to this strategy with his yes men. Tells them to do something, then when it fails he just tells them he never said anything.I've had bosses like that and now make sure to get it in an email as a follow up to any in person requests.
I swear, he either doesn't know how video recordings work or he really is delusional and makes up his own reality as he goes. Holy fuck, someone call him out on that, do your jobs reporters
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/845422234869018625
Of course.
ArkhamFantasy
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I think he's just a pathological liar. A couple of weeks ago a CNN reporter asked him about contacts with russia, and he said "i havent talked to russia in 10 years", even though the white house mad it public that he talked to putin a couple of weeks before.
His first instinct it to lie, and its worked well for him for 70 years, so he's going to continue doing it.
Yep. Having dealt with that stuff, it's a corporate as fuck thing.
"Weren't we gonna do this thing?"
"Never heard of it"
Beerman462
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If it hasn't been posted yet, Dan Carlin did a really good episode of Common Sense about US health care.
Unhealthy Numbers
It gives a good history of why we are in the mess we are in. Basically how US healthcare evolved from a employer benefit, which gave rise to insurance companies, which inflated costs over time.
He also goes over the well worn facts that the US pays more for healthcare, both government and individuals than any other country and gets worse care in the bargain.
Long story short insurance companies need to be cut loose.
If Trump actually walked the walk he would do this, but he won't, because he's a blow hard who's full of shit on every level.
Unhealthy Numbers
It gives a good history of why we are in the mess we are in. Basically how US healthcare evolved from a employer benefit, which gave rise to insurance companies, which inflated costs over time.
He also goes over the well worn facts that the US pays more for healthcare, both government and individuals than any other country and gets worse care in the bargain.
Long story short insurance companies need to be cut loose.
If Trump actually walked the walk he would do this, but he won't, because he's a blow hard who's full of shit on every level.
Nah, they just ignore the things they can't explain away. They'll tell you "who cares" if asked.
Not sure which is worse. I mean I think I'd rather them recognize his faults and try to explain them away than choosing to ignore his faults, but at the end of the day it's the same result, Trump can do no wrong to them.
Take this bill. It failed and their response is "we didn't want it anyway!". Of course if it succeeded they would celebrate it and talk about how Trump kept his word and will end up changing it and saving it in the end to make it perfect!
Oh well, to be fair, sour grapes is a lot easier than what I proposed.
Enforcement of the penalty has always been limited but as that article notes, the change that Trump made was to keep things they way they've been all along (they were going to make a change this year). Improperly filing your taxes doesn't get you off the hook -- it's just that the IRS won't reject them outright. The IRS still knows if you had insurance because the forms get sent to them too
I see Paul Ryan has tweeted out something about how they'll go on to help American peoples' lives, basically a tweet on the defeat of the bill.
Does he genuinely believe that god awful piece of legislation was going to help people and improve their lives? The 24m who would be forced out, the 60+ year olds who would face massive increase in premiums, they would be helped?
Is that honestly what he thinks? He seems like an awful person to be quite honest. Because I don't think he's stupid enough to not realise what the bill was going to do. I genuinely don't believe Trump understood or really cared what was in the bill, he just needed the W, he needed to spew out "we repealed and replaced" over and over again because his base would lap it up.
Does he genuinely believe that god awful piece of legislation was going to help people and improve their lives? The 24m who would be forced out, the 60+ year olds who would face massive increase in premiums, they would be helped?
Is that honestly what he thinks? He seems like an awful person to be quite honest. Because I don't think he's stupid enough to not realise what the bill was going to do. I genuinely don't believe Trump understood or really cared what was in the bill, he just needed the W, he needed to spew out "we repealed and replaced" over and over again because his base would lap it up.
SatelliteOfLove
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Frum: yet another moderate conservative who, over the last decade, woke up one day to find himself a stranger in a strange land.
shawnbuddy
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Have we talked about the latest diarrhea from Scott Adams? He's claiming this failure is a huge win for Trump and where he starts turning things around.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/158812654486/trump-and-healthcare
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/158812654486/trump-and-healthcare
White and wealthy people that deserve the help, yes. That's the only people he and most Republicans care about.
Ryan's not stupid. He's knows it's not good for most Americans and he doesn't give a shit.
efyu_lemonardo
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I can't stop laughing!
Scott Adams was the pointy-haired boss all along?
Wait, no. Trump is, and Bannon is Dogbert.
Stick to writing comics Scott.
I don't know whats worse, the blog post or the comments. It's tragic how desperate these people seem to be to think that Trump is some sort of mastermind who wanted the bill to fail and how he is playing 4th dimensional chess rather than what he is really doing which is chewing the box. Trump has almost no negotiating power, his approval ratings are really low and probably going to continue to slip which basically means the republican congress views him as a paper tiger who has nothing to threaten them with. He is just a loud dumb person who threatens them and throws tantrums.
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Frum with the "I told ya so"s.
The thing I don't understand here is what the Kochs of the world expect to happen next.
The thing I don't understand here is what the Kochs of the world expect to happen next.
I love how all the idiot trump fanboys are doubling down on "this was just his MASTERPLAN all along, just wait and see!" as if the orange fuck accomplished anything worth noting in the last decade. He has managed to fit four years worth of fuckups into less than two months, it has to be a new all-time record. But yea I am sure in a year we will see Trump accomplish wonders, this is all a feint guys.
So many levels of self delusion, amaizing.
I dunno... these blogs are unintentionally funnier than anything he ever put on a strip.
Green Yoshi
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But I bet Hillary will run again. No other candidate wants to clean up the mess.
She's got no reason to run again. I'm sure there's plenty of people who want to clean this up.
Evil Monkey DTT
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4 entire years and we are already pulling shit out of our was who will and won't be running.
He just doesn't care. He is so used to twisting the truth and lying and getting away with it , that he doesn't bother to keep a straight story. Hopefully one day that is what brings him down.
I swear, he either doesn't know how video recordings work or he really is delusional and makes up his own reality as he goes. Holy fuck, someone call him out on that, do your jobs reporters
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/845422234869018625
AntraxSuicide
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So what you're saying is I need to find a poker game with Bill Mitchell.
Thank you!
So, earlier today on Twitter, Trump invited people to watch Judge Pirro's show on Fox News tonight. And it turns out Judge Pirro just asked Paul Ryan to resign.
And Trump is apparently considering replacing his chief of staff: https://twitter.com/tarapalmeri/status/845696980416430080
Going well.
And Trump is apparently considering replacing his chief of staff: https://twitter.com/tarapalmeri/status/845696980416430080
Going well.
Well, he IS green there, he's probably going to be the Yoda to whoever does serve.
Lol is Trump too afraid to bring it up himself (Ryan)?
Bannon is Catbert, the Evil Director of HR. Boehner was Dogbert. "Adams developed the character to be an anti-hero, metaphorically personifying the dark, cynical side of Adams's own personality."
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Must suck to know how much you have to walk on egg shells with this man
getting others to do his dirty work. Ryan should be glad Trump hasn't yet taken up all of Putin's tricks otherwise "asking" would have a whole different connotation
TyphoonStruggle
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yep,
earlier today:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/845646761704243200
tonight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cChG52Zpedc
Ryan getting bodied by Trump and Bannon. (Remember http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/why-steve-bannon-hates-paul-ryan.html)
Remember last week how Trump bodied Maddow?
Dude is going on a rampage.
KernelPanic
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They're taking those L's and beating themselves with them.
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