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Heist [Mafia] |OT| Snakes on a Train
- Thread starter YesNOnoNOYes
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A weak Vote is not a strong contributor, either, fair enough. I just saw a slight difference in "First-Post/First Hour-Vote" and "Four-Votes-First Hour-Vote" - it's more erratic and gives one a change to throw some names out there. It's not a big drama, but worth a thought on Day One I think.
CornBurrito
Member
VOTE: *Splinter
CornBurrito
Member
Can explain more when I get home, but short story is that Splinter isn't arousing me.
Er I don't want to know how he turns you on. Mafia only reasons, please
what makes you think i was talking about you when I said I was looking at somebody? I mean, if I refused to name the person I'm looking at wouldn't it be kind of silly for me to then name them as a scum target?
Also..... backup darryl? On my birthday? that hurts man
what makes you think i was talking about you when I said I was looking at somebody? I mean, if I refused to name the person I'm looking at wouldn't it be kind of silly for me to then name them as a scum target?
Also..... backup darryl? On my birthday? that hurts man
Well I guess it seems logical to assume, that if you say you think someone is "probably scum anyways", you would name them your first lynch candidate.
I'm going to read you as scum whether you're scum or not, you were saved in Archer by Ouro but I would have read you as scum there. It's happened in other places whethere I was following along or playing. so. It's a big headache that's going to throw off my other reads based on interaction with you so I just wanted to push to get you gone early on and then you reacted in a sort of scummy way to the things I and other people are doing which strengthened my resolve to carry forward on my plan.
CornBurrito
Member
I've been at work m8.
Anyway, I don't actually have any deeper reasons for my Splinter vote. You simply aren't exciting me with your posts.
I'm sort of aware of the fact that we have very active posters who are discussing things, and you posted a bit late, but it doesn't feel like you're providing anything new.
Anyway, I don't actually have any deeper reasons for my Splinter vote. You simply aren't exciting me with your posts.
I'm sort of aware of the fact that we have very active posters who are discussing things, and you posted a bit late, but it doesn't feel like you're providing anything new.
Posting anything new and worthwhile is kinda hard since it's D1.
CornBurrito
Member
True enough. I'm still filing for divorce.
Please stop,you are tearing the family apart!
Hey everyone, I'm back. Apologies for my absence, I had a final to study for. But now that's over, so I can spend time with all of you!
First as a general note, I believe this is my first time playing with any of you, so aside from cursory knowledge of each player I'm not overly familiar with anyone's play styles, and I imagine it's likewise for most of you with me.
So to preface, I'd like to add that although I agree that obviously players do need to be active, I don't like the idea of just scum hunting based on low post count. I don't mind if people are particularly inactive if their posts have actual weight. I'm more cautious of players calling out those with low post counts but with little else to say. That's all I'll say on that.
Moving on.
Vote: CrimsonFist
Airing suspicions, but so far not only no active vote, no vote at all. I understand maybe having not having reads on day one, especially on the actual day one, but if you're going to voice your suspicions, you should have a vote somewhere. It reads more like you're trying to give a more vocal player reason to start a vote so you don't have to be accountable for it if things go south. I specifically don't like you going after redhood, who's been an admittedly easy target today, and of course me, who hasn't posted until now for reasons I already specified. Of course I don't mind if you're calling anyone out for inactivity, but with only easy targets, you're playing like you don't want anyone to notice you.
First as a general note, I believe this is my first time playing with any of you, so aside from cursory knowledge of each player I'm not overly familiar with anyone's play styles, and I imagine it's likewise for most of you with me.
So to preface, I'd like to add that although I agree that obviously players do need to be active, I don't like the idea of just scum hunting based on low post count. I don't mind if people are particularly inactive if their posts have actual weight. I'm more cautious of players calling out those with low post counts but with little else to say. That's all I'll say on that.
Moving on.
Vote: CrimsonFist
Airing suspicions, but so far not only no active vote, no vote at all. I understand maybe having not having reads on day one, especially on the actual day one, but if you're going to voice your suspicions, you should have a vote somewhere. It reads more like you're trying to give a more vocal player reason to start a vote so you don't have to be accountable for it if things go south. I specifically don't like you going after redhood, who's been an admittedly easy target today, and of course me, who hasn't posted until now for reasons I already specified. Of course I don't mind if you're calling anyone out for inactivity, but with only easy targets, you're playing like you don't want anyone to notice you.
Royal_Flush
Member
Just as a heads up, I'll be driving home to my family tomorrow, but I should be there and on my laptop in the later evening (That's afternoon or something in US time)
Is the problem the Darryl or the Backup?
Happy birthdayAlso..... backup darryl? On my birthday? that hurts man
Is the problem the Darryl or the Backup?Is that a reaction to my lists or unrelated? CrimsonFist is missing, but I guess you're still suspicious of him? (I don't think he posted anything meaningful since you had him on your scumlist). As this is all just gut I don't have a lot of ground to argue, and the only one I could I'm not allowed to because I would use something from an ongoing game as comparison.
So you're just going to policy lynch Cabot in each game you play with him? Because as I interpret your first sentence you read cabot's actions as "scum" no matter what which kind of devalues your last sentence. Also as far as I see it you are currently the only one reading cabot explicitly as scum?
I kind of remember you from spectating Cthulhu.
CrimsonFist
Member
Fair enough. Maybe I should have voted, but this early on I don't really feel like any of those reads are strong enough to be worth wanting to lynch over.
Also on that topic: his continued persistence on calling himself town in a later post make me think that he probably isn't actually scum, seeing as I'd have thought that scum would have corrected that habit after being called out on it. Although then I might expect a townie to do the same as well.
My comment on you wasn't intended as any sort of accusation, I was simply answering a question as to who I hadn't really noticed, and I admittedly overlooked your comment about not being around at the start. I'm not going to start accusing people for being inactive for less than a day, especially after the levels of inactivity we had in Woof.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Oh yeah happy birthday squidy.
I'm fine with that, and I don't mean to point you out specifically because you mentioned my absence, my problem is that you seem to be artificially inflating your activity by noting your suspicions but laying low in the conversations that people have been having around you. I understand if you don't want to get caught in the crossfire between Squidy/Cabot and Corn/Splinter, but I mind that you're "contributing", and yet without a vote you're not doing so at all. So why not? Nothing to say?
I'm fine with that, and I don't mean to point you out specifically because you mentioned my absence, my problem is that you seem to be artificially inflating your activity by noting your suspicions but laying low in the conversations that people have been having around you. I understand if you don't want to get caught in the crossfire between Squidy/Cabot and Corn/Splinter, but I mind that you're "contributing", and yet without a vote you're not doing so at all. So why not? Nothing to say?
CrimsonFist
Member
Pretty much tbh. A lot of the conversation seems to fall into comparing posters past activities, and whilst I don't have a problem with that as a tactic, not having played with most people here makes it harder to find something to contribute with.
Vote: Royal_Flush
In your large post, you list redhood and Ouro as the people you have your eye on, but the reasons you give just feel like you're parroting other posters. Can you elaborate on these reads at all?
So..... I've made no secret that I find burbeting to be suspicious, not least of which because he seems to have instantly assumed he was the person I said I was watching, and part of that is based on something he said earlier in the thread. Burbeting said that we can't trust anyone 100% in this game.
This is a true statement. It's also a statement that can be seen as trying to help mafia. One of the things we NEED to do as town is reach out to and find other town members, we need to build town circles not just mafia circles, it's true that we can't trust 100% the people in our town reads but if we only try to read the people we are suspicious of we will lose.
In that vein I want to give a few of my current top town
Cornburrito. I think his reaction to being asked to give a reads list is dumb, like really dumb for real, so I feel more confident calling him town because of that
Royal_Flush. Took the time and had the insight to point out my poor use of logic when I gave Cabot my 'reason' for voting him and wanting him dead. Gave good logic and weirdly responded before Cabot.
*Splinter. Just a general town vibe off of this fella. I believe his silly little gambit thing sort of the same way I believe cornburrito's resistance to reads.
This is a true statement. It's also a statement that can be seen as trying to help mafia. One of the things we NEED to do as town is reach out to and find other town members, we need to build town circles not just mafia circles, it's true that we can't trust 100% the people in our town reads but if we only try to read the people we are suspicious of we will lose.
In that vein I want to give a few of my current top town
Cornburrito. I think his reaction to being asked to give a reads list is dumb, like really dumb for real, so I feel more confident calling him town because of that
Royal_Flush. Took the time and had the insight to point out my poor use of logic when I gave Cabot my 'reason' for voting him and wanting him dead. Gave good logic and weirdly responded before Cabot.
*Splinter. Just a general town vibe off of this fella. I believe his silly little gambit thing sort of the same way I believe cornburrito's resistance to reads.
sure, okay.
Royal_Flush
Member
How am I supposed to elaborate on "Has only fluff posts"? Can you point me to any useful Ouro post so far? The only one is where he announces his future yet to be seen if really useful post.
As for Redhood the reason I stated is also something I can barely elaborate on. If you have to constantly stress you are town you probably aren't. I remember someone viewing this as "red flag" before me, but just because someone said this, it doesn't automatically qualify as parroting, does it? If you want hard internal contradictions or something: That's not something you'll usually get D1... And it's not like I would have an overwhelmingly positive gut feel about him... So that's more than I have on most other people and therefore enough to put him up there. I don't know if you are familiar with these percentage lists I make from time to time, but we are still at 55-60% probability of being scum, not something like 80%.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
HI
I have decided that Tunnel Time, or Night Phases, will only be a 24 hours period for this train. Because of reasons.
And here's a gif of a weird Australian sport. Titled, BALL TO FACE.
I have decided that Tunnel Time, or Night Phases, will only be a 24 hours period for this train. Because of reasons
.And here's a gif of a weird Australian sport. Titled, BALL TO FACE.
Do you always post like this or did you flip scum again?
Burb: Fair enough, but it's not terribly deep despite being a very long read.
Corn: Town because dumb.
Royal: Really? I looked back and #270 wasn't bad, but the logic was much shallower than what you made it out to be.
*Splinter: I kinda see where you're going, but he hasn't interacted with a lot of people and I could imagine scum Splinter saying this:
Fake target for scum or fake brownie points.
As if we're in a game with NK immune PRs.
You talk as if you know you'll survive the night.
CornBurrito
Member
Lol are you serious?
CornBurrito
Member
If Cabot or I do die during the night we clearly weren't scum. If we keep on surviving and keep on posting then if we are scum we will post something that gives us away. My vote is on Splinter but come on Ty4on.
I'm guessing it's some weird gambit, but he made similar posts in Night Vale.
I haven't played with town squidy, though.
Do I really need to explain this?
I was comparing high activity to low activity players in a hypothetical. If I'm playing with them I'm trying to analyse them, if I'm dead I'm too busy berating the remaining townies
I dunno. Hard to do that when you're dead and then town wishes you had posted some extra reads on them before you died.
I thought the same during his constant poking of Cabot. I try not to interrupt a Gambit In Progress, but we do need him to give some real opinions sooner or later.
So Mazre, the only reason I'm suspicious to you is because my leading post was to not ignore/forgive low posters and anti-town behavior in a game like this, even though you agree with that statement? Why is it weird to lead with a post that gives a pre-emptive overview of my perception of this game?
CornBurrito
Member
Omfg. There wouldn't be any need to analyze a dead player.
You're really misrepresenting this now. I never meant I would withhold reads, but - all things being equal - would rather lynch low than high on D1
CornBurrito
Member
Oh oops. Misread "you" as "they".
Ok yeah I see what you mean Ty.
Ok yeah I see what you mean Ty.
CrimsonFist
Member
What reads do you expect people to give on day one that would actually be useful to town to look back on if someone died during the night? It's not like anyone can be a detective in this game.
I never thought you did that, only that you slipped.
I think the mafia are all high activity posters because they see the talk of targeting low activity posters and they get scared so they contribute more. While I think that is good because it could be used as reads later in the game if we don't get them right away, low activity posters aren't good for the town either.
Scum would ideally like to lynch someone who said nothing important.
Number 1 is in wifom territory, but when someone is night killed they had to have been chosen and some info from that leaks. Like in Archer squidy scumread a majority of the scum team on D1 and couldn't be killed by them because it would validate his reads.
Number 2 is more like the latter. If Splinter is killed and confirmed town we can look back at his reads knowing that they were made by a townie trying to find scum.