NeoRaider
Member
I didn't say that.
Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice - Review Thread
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I didn't say that.
SplitYourInfinities
Member
Apology accepted.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
He works in this industry and writes reviews for how long now? He couldn't have anticipated this? Feels attention seeking to me, I grew to dislike Jim more and more in the recent times.
Lanrutcon
Member
Oi Jim. Cult leaders are supposed to never say sorry. Your mature, level-headed apology has no place here!
OrbitalBeard
Member
My guess is if this review was meant purely for attention, he wouldn't have taken it down and he wouldn't have uploaded his most recent video.
People who don't realize when games aren't exclusive are my favorite thing on GAF.
Can't wait to get home and play this on my PC!!!!!
What is the point of even scoring the game currently a 1/10 if he took down the video and is going to finish it?
Jim should have known better when he posted the review and this shouldn't have ever been a situation, but I appreciate the video and him owning up to his mistake.
This isn't my position on the topic, but some would say that doing so gives him exactly the attention he wants, giving him clicks on the newest video and making sure that the discussion is more about his *review* than it is the *game*.
Unaha-Closp
Member
I can understand the frustration at having a total game breaking bug and saying f that 1 out of 10. I can also understand not feeling great about that afterwards. I would imagine though that if you are a professional reviewer you would try and contact the dev or publisher or someone involved before publishing but again the frustration is real and can make us say f it and saying f it is very very therapeutic sometimes.
Paquete_PT
Member
Great eloquent and thoughtful response on his part, agree with it 100% and it's actually refreshing the humbleness that he shows when reflecting upon the unfair and impetuous initial score.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Guilty conscience.
More_Badass
Member
That was a well spoken and candid response, and even touched on what I said earlier about reviews being a writer's feelings at a specific moment in time rather than some concrete abstraction of quality
Human Trashcan
Banned
Jim Sterling always does the right thing in the end. A good boy.
He was playing the long game and now he gets two videos of the situation, double the clicks!
(There probably are people thinking that right now.)
Indeed, it appears the original score was a little hot headed, but I guess that asks a question of how a reviewer should tackle such an issue in the future?
The game is effectively broken (on the face of it), so does that wipe out all the good up to the point of where the game broke?
Great video Jim. You filthy GAF lurker.
I think your "mistake" was to give a rating purely on your emotions. So your anger resulted in 1/10 while your rational thinking and overall stance on the game was much more positive.
Like you've said, your original score would unfairly place it next to the bottom of the barrel titles which is even objectively false, since clearly one developer didn't care while the others at least did try - no matter whether you like the result or not.
I'd personally never review a game purely by my emotions. A mix of content, context and emotions is a pretty good way to measure a game's quality. I loved the Mass Effect Trilogy from the bottom of my heart because it had a big emotional impact which would be a 10/10 but taking a step or two back helps to see game mechanic or pace flaws which should impact such a review score. Emotions make you blind for mistakes sometimes or amplify your negative experiences.
The right thing would have been to never publish such a review.
Damage is already done.
Who is "we"? Are we an interconnected mindframe that all think the same?
GhostTrick
Banned
Eh, gotta give it to Jim, at least he manage to recognize the mistake. Now, I don't disagree that a broken game should be piled. But I feel like maybe he should've gave a heads-up to the devs, in a way or another for something that was overlooked.
Your game can be broken because of gameplay decisions/story decisions/design decisions. This cant be fixed unless you go through extensive work.
But this one ? I feel like it's something that could be fixed within hours. That's not an excuse to Ninja Theory, I mean, consumer should expect working products. But I feel like this issue should've been treated in a more useful way, for both consumers and the devs.
KZXcellent
Member
How? He talked to Metacritic and his review is now a "Review in Progress"
His 1/10 no longer affects the MC of the game. The only "Damage" it's done is made some people on GAF mad.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Yeah, that comment was absolutely ridiculous.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
People make mistakes, even Jim but at least he will admit it. One thing I like about him, he might be harsh but he can also be fair when he needs to be.
Some reviewers stick up a review and that's the end of it, at least he will change it if he needs to.
Game broke and he couldnt play it? 1/10 seems fair.
Once they fix it, you can change the score.
A review score isnt meant to represent EVERYONEs experience with the gane or even an average, its the reviewer's.
You are also not supposed to be there to help the publishers on metacritic.
I really dont see the problem.
Once they fix it, you can change the score.
A review score isnt meant to represent EVERYONEs experience with the gane or even an average, its the reviewer's.
You are also not supposed to be there to help the publishers on metacritic.
I really dont see the problem.
His explanation/apology sounds sincere and hey, we all make mistakes so I think it's fair to give him the benefit of the doubt. Though maybe next time don't post a review when you're still this angry and instead wait till you've calmed down a bit before hitting the upload button 
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MrS
Banned
Sorry, but his retraction is just a reaction to the backlash. Perhaps he shouldn't have jumped the gun and posted a clickbait review? This isn't the first time Jim has done clickbaity things so I'm not sure why he deserves the benefit of the doubt in this case.
About the 1/10. I don't watch / care / like / dislike this Jim. I just watched his latest video on the issue where he kinda regrets his decision or whatever. I think it's good that he made this video.
However I do want to say that I think it's very immature to rage and then as revenge give it a 1/10 and put it online.
However I do want to say that I think it's very immature to rage and then as revenge give it a 1/10 and put it online.
So you're still maitaining that this game is broken and unplayable?
Then I guess the damage is done, even if he retracted his review.
You should really read the whole thread. You're missing a lot of context. If it was so clear cut and obviously the fault of the game, then Sterling wouldn't have taken down his review.
Don't pretend to be Mr. Perfect and get from your high horse - everyone can and will do mistakes. Jim isn't scared to admit his mistakes which is something I don't see from most so called game journalists. A lot of them just can't swallow their pride.
GhostTrick
Banned
Eh no. I'm saying the opposite. It's a dumb glitch that can be patched and coudl've been before release if NT was told about it.
The game isn't broken because of the way it was designed. It had a game breaking glitch, which isn't the same.
Lanrutcon
Member
Probably a slow response. Doubt they'll hold on to something that's been retracted.
Fair enough, and I agree. It just seemed that you were saying that Ninja Theory put out a non-working product.
More_Badass
Member
GhostTrick
Banned
Nah, it's my bad. What I meant is sure, consumers are in the right to expect a working product. What I meant is mistake is human and that a small team can make a mistake. The game isn't fundamentally broken. The gameplay isn't broken. The visuals aren't broken.
One moment of the game, one script, can be altered in a way that break the game. This isn't a gameplay decision but an oversight from the devs, that can be fixed quickly.
OrbitalBeard
Member
This is why it's even more important for smaller devs to allow embargoes to be lifted pre-launch.
Metacritic changing it to review in progress is actually a pretty big deal. I didn't think they would do that considering they've traditionally been pretty hard on the first score is the one that sticks. That's good because the damage now isn't really lasting.
Jim straight up said he wants the game to succeed. If they patch an extremely simple bug he'd be happy.
Jim straight up said he wants the game to succeed. If they patch an extremely simple bug he'd be happy.
MrS
Banned
So is he upset about his review being a steaming pile of dog shit or is he upset about how his review makes Brand Sterling look? I suspect the latter because very few games journalists are as astute as Jim when it comes to gauging opinions.
Still want to stand by this post now and defend Jim's 1/10 after both Jim and I agreed that the review was unreasonable and didn't serve anyone?
GhostTrick
Banned
That doesn't change the way it was handled.
The problem is it seems Jim didn't contacted them and just dropped the review with a strong headline. If he got wind of the bug let's say 3 days ago, pre-launch or not doesn't change anything. In fact, it could've got pre-orders cancelled for exemple.
What damage?
Unclebenny
Member
This, this, a thousand times this.
MrS
Banned
The game is being badmouthed left, right and centre on Twitter because of TotalBiscuit and Jim's criticisms. It's trending in the UK.