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[Reizo Ryuu]

Welp, this thread is now dipping into bayo 3 spoilers, guess I'm out.

 

[Negotiator]

No, I disagree, I believe it's due to social media as it is now. It's the 24/7 feed, immediate audience, and the FOMO.
I still use my smartphone, but I've cut my social media use down dramatically. Because of that, I'm reaching for it less than ever and I feel all the better for it tbh.

Mobile devices offer immediacy 24/7/365, unlike traditional personal computers (PC/Mac).

Huge difference right there...

 

[Fbh]

why be so petty about something that you aren't even that impassioned about?

As I said in a previous post. My guess based on the latest info and her initial claim is that she somehow came to the wrong conclusion that Bayonetta is a way bigger franchise than it actually is.

Maybe she got fed bad information, she did poor research or just doesnt know much about the gaming industry and doesn't get that bayonetta is a niche franchise with pretty mediocre sales.

But this all reeks of her being upset that they were underpaying her while making hundreds of millions with a massively popular franchise.

 

[Hardensoul]

Kinda makes you think, doesn't it?

Bayonetta is not a big franchise! It’s niche, low sales! Only hardcore gamers like us in these forums know about Bayonetta! Even if some of us know about Bayonetta the action genre of this game has lost a lot luster. IMO

 

[Negotiator]

As I said in a previous post. My guess based on the latest info and her initial claim is that she somehow came to the wrong conclusion that Bayonetta is a way bigger franchise than it actually is.

Maybe she got fed bad information, she did poor research or just doesnt know much about the gaming industry and doesn't get that bayonetta is a niche franchise with pretty mediocre sales.

But this all reeks of her being upset that they were underpaying her while making hundreds of millions with a massively popular franchise.

I think it's annoying that they don't play video games at all... totally out of touch with the VG industry.

How did she cover her living expenses since 2014 without a permanent job? Is she married? Does she get any benefits from the state?

 

[LegendOfKage]

The whole thing makes zero sense from any angle. Even before the Schreierening she just looked like she was entitled above the entirety of the staff and stamping her feet because her own self appraisal of her value didn't match up to what others thought.

And now?

But a "professional," would and should know better. Those mistakes could be hurt feelings, but it's not like this was a recorded private conversation. She had to sit down and collect her thoughts. Record it. Possibly re-record it. Sit with it and consciously make the decision to upload it to social media. At any point in time, she could have been like "This is a bad idea," but here we are.

Yeah, in my list of mistakes, I forgot to mention calling for a boycott, which I had previously said was a mistake as well. If she was offered a flat 4000, I continue to feel that's crazy low pay for a protagonist, and several people in the industry have stepped forward to agree.

At this point, she either needs to come up with some paperwork of her own to show another journalist, or the evidence looks like it's against her. Still don't think she knowingly lied, though. Like you said, none of this makes sense.

 

[Rykan]

Documentation means fuck all if the only people seeing it is the reporter telling us we should believe him. And i dont trust Jason Schreier at all. For all we know Platinum wrote that shit last night, dated it years ago and "leaked it". And unless there's some proof she ever saw that document anyways it's useless.

In the end it's a bunch if he said she said bullshit. Don't get too invested and just enjoy the spectacle.

She's already broken NDA anyway so there's nothing stopping her from showing her side of the documentation either.

As I said in a previous post. My guess based on the latest info and her initial claim is that she somehow came to the wrong conclusion that Bayonetta is a way bigger franchise than it actually is.

Maybe she got fed bad information, she did poor research or just doesnt know much about the gaming industry and doesn't get that bayonetta is a niche franchise with pretty mediocre sales.

But this all reeks of her being upset that they were underpaying her while making hundreds of millions with a massively popular franchise.

That is exactly what I think as well. I think all of this started with the misconception that Bayonetta is a 2 game franchise that somehow made 450M USD. Which is clearly nowhere near accurate. If it was true, then I'd kinda see her point. If it did make those large sums of money, Then you could make an argument that you, as the voice of the main character, deserve a chunk of that.

I'd still think that would be entitled AF, but that is the type of behavior that we'd expect from actors, and at least it's grounded in something.

 

[mortal]

Mobile devices offer immediacy 24/7/365, unlike traditional personal computers (PC/Mac).

Huge difference right there...

It's not having the mobile device that drives the behavior. That's my point. The immediate audience is on social media, not on your mobile device.

 

[Hardensoul]

Hideki Kamiya is back on Twitter!

 

[Soltype]

Hideki Kamiya is back on Twitter!

 

[Haint]

I was really short changing it with my delusions of grandeur comment the other day. Woman was completely out of her mind thinking she deserved $100,000+ AND residuals for 4 sessions on a niche ass game that hasn't seen a sequel in a decade.

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

Yeah, in my list of mistakes, I forgot to mention calling for a boycott, which I had previously said was a mistake as well. If she was offered a flat 4000, I continue to feel that's crazy low pay for a protagonist, and several people in the industry have stepped forward to agree.

At this point, she either needs to come up with some paperwork of her own to show another journalist, or the evidence looks like it's against her. Still don't think she knowingly lied, though. Like you said, none of this makes sense.

I stand corrected as well, sounds like reasonable dispute shit that leads to a new VA. Let's go buy Bayo!

 

[DragoonKain]

Moral of the story is always wait for the facts to come out and hold off the outrage. It's counter productive.

 

[plasmawave]

Huh so people fell for white worman's tears AGAIN.

 

[Skifi28]

Hideki Kamiya is back on Twitter!

Fina.... Aaaaand blocked.

 

[Jada_Li]

I don't care for drama but I did watch the video posted by Hellena Taylor out of curiosity and immediately did not finish the video because I somehow knew she was not being entirely honest. First of all, why was she blinking her eyes so much to the point it was very distracting to me? According to a magazine I recently purchased, it says sometimes blinking a lot more than usual may be an indication of lying. But that is not the only tell-tale sign I picked up on. Just the whole vibe felt wrong and manipulative. I've always been attuned to reading in-between the lines naturally so I'm not as easily fooled by words or fake emotions. Interesting to see this play out from a psychological viewpoint though.



I did enjoy Bayonetta on PC and have not yet played Bayonetta 2 because I'm still wondering if it will ever come to PC and maybe some day Bayonetta 3. So I guess I'm holding out on the rest of the Bayonetta series for now.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

I don't care for drama but I did watch the video posted by Hellena Taylor out of curiosity and immediately did not finish the video because I somehow knew she was not being entirely honest. First of all, why was she blinking her eyes so much to the point it was very distracting to me? According to a magazine I recently purchased, it says sometimes blinking a lot more than usual may be an indication of lying. But that is not the only tell-tale sign I picked up on. Just the whole vibe felt wrong and manipulative. I've always been attuned to reading in-between the lines naturally so I'm not as easily fooled by words or fake emotions. Interesting to see this play out from a psychological viewpoint though.



I did enjoy Bayonetta on PC and have not yet played Bayonetta 2 because I'm still wondering if it will ever come to PC and maybe some day Bayonetta 3. So I guess I'm holding out on the rest of the Bayonetta series for now.

If you want to break down body behavior and speech, you need a couple of examples of her talking (not acting) in a comfortable relaxed environment where she feels in control. That forms at least a half assed idea of her baseline. From there, you can tell better whether she's being off or not.

 

[I Master l]

I knew she was a lying bitch

 

[Barakov]

Hideki Kamiya is back on Twitter!

Hey, twitter. APOLOGIZE.

 

[Eevee86]

Documentation means fuck all if the only people seeing it is the reporter telling us we should believe him. And i dont trust Jason Schreier at all. For all we know Platinum wrote that shit last night, dated it years ago and "leaked it". And unless there's some proof she ever saw that document anyways it's useless.

In the end it's a bunch if he said she said bullshit. Don't get too invested and just enjoy the spectacle.

Imagine thinking Schreier of all people would help a game company.

So some of you are going to apologize and admit you let your emotions get the better of you, yeah?

 

[recma12]

Huh so people fell for white worman's tears AGAIN.

Not sure what this lady thought was gonna happen tbh
PG looking at her video and going "OK OK, here is your 100k plus 10% of sales. Pls stop" ?
If the "documentation" exists she must have know that it would leak sooner or later.

Now she looks pretty fucking entitled, turning down 4k USD for a single studio session during this time of high inflation and energy prices.

 

[Haint]

Yeah, in my list of mistakes, I forgot to mention calling for a boycott, which I had previously said was a mistake as well. If she was offered a flat 4000, I continue to feel that's crazy low pay for a protagonist, and several people in the industry have stepped forward to agree.

At this point, she either needs to come up with some paperwork of her own to show another journalist, or the evidence looks like it's against her. Still don't think she knowingly lied, though. Like you said, none of this makes sense.

I have to ask, why? What's the logic behind the argument? Why is $250 - $300/hr "crazy low" for an action game character you haven't heard in a decade, reading an incoherent story and inconsenquential lines? The woman can literally be replaced within a day by a thousand other VA's who could do just as good or better. So what company in their right mind is going to pay someone $50,000 or $100,000+ to do 15-20 hours of work? Why do you expect them to?

 

[ULTROS!]

Online witch hunts are never going to end well.

Funny that the witch hunt is fitting, heh.

 

[-COOLIO-]

I have to ask, why? What's the logic behind the argument? Why is $250 - $300/hr "crazy low" for an action game character you haven't heard in a decade, reading an incoherent story and inconsenquential lines? The woman can literally be replaced within a day by a thousand other VA's who could do just as good or better. So what company in their right mind is going to pay someone $50,000 or $100,000+ to do 15-20 hours of work? Why do you expect them to?

Additionally, I have to ask why voice actors are considered more instrumental to the success of a game than the hundreds of other professions working towards it's success. Saving 90k+ on a VA could pay a developers yearly salary in most of the world. A years worth of dev work could result in multiple features and bug fixes. I would take that over hearing a perfectly familiar voice every time.

Hollywood stars make bank because they bring in bank. Videogame VAs, especially for story-lite action games, not so much.

 

[Banjo64]

So she was actually offered 15-25k for 4-5 4 hour recording sessions? And when she refused that they offered her 4k for 1 4 hour session S a cameo?

 

[DenchDeckard]

Yeah, glad I ultimately fell on the "let's wait for more info first" seems to be a lot more complicated and this woman has some issues.

 

[Haint]

Additionally, I have to ask why voice actors are considered more instrumental to the success of a game than the hundreds of other professions working towards it's success. Saving 90k+ on a VA could pay a developers yearly salary in most of the world. A years worth of dev work could result in multiple features and bug fixes. I would take that over hearing a perfectly familiar voice every time.

Hollywood stars make bank because they bring in bank. Videogame VAs, especially for story-lite action games, not so much.

It's even worse than you think, Japanese developers earn a fraction of their western counterparts. Lacking a multinational corporate sugar daddy and subsisting on contract work, experienced Platinum developers likely only earn the equivalent of $35,000 - $40,000 USD per year. This woman wanted over 4x that for 15 hours, and she has an army of retards (most of whom themselves probably only make $10 - $15/hour) cheering her on.

 

[MrTentakel]

So she was actually offered 15-25k for 4-5 4 hour recording sessions? And when she refused that they offered her 4k for 1 4 hour session S a cameo?

It´s funny, isn´t it?
Hundreds of internet activists calling for a boycott of the game and demanding the VA earning more than a measingly 1.000US$/hour.

-> For perspective, a NHS nurse earns ~14US$/hour.

Let this sink in for a moment.

 

[chromatic9]

Thought this would be the case, she had crazy demands with a warped view of what the series earns in revenue and profit. Their offer was actually very good and then had to seek another VO to get on with making the game and she's just done herself out of a lot of money for Bayo 3 and possibly other games/work with misleading info and unreasonable calls to action.

 

[TheGecko]

Huh so people fell for white worman's tears AGAIN.

Whats a person's skin color got to do with it you piece of shit.

 

[Boy bawang]

Her voice acting career is now over and rightfully so.
I hope this will boost the sales of Bayonetta 3. I didn't plan on buying it. Now I will .

 

[Rykan]

Platinum games should re-release Bayonetta 1 and 2 with Hale to establish dominance.

 

[Neofire]

Huh so people fell for white worman's tears AGAIN.

As a member of the black community.........nah I won't say it I see to many people getting triggered by your post already.

 

[Putonahappyface]

Are you saying her ass is grass?

WTF is a TERF?

Gender-critical feminism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Putonahappyface]

Kind of off-topic, but I went to see what the "other" place was saying now with the SchREEr news, and apparently twitter has an add on that you can highlight people who have made anti-trans posts or liked a post of somebody that was labeled as anti-trans, and I dunno, the lunacy of the whole thing made me crack up laughing.

 

[Hardensoul]

I don't care for drama but I did watch the video posted by Hellena Taylor out of curiosity and immediately did not finish the video because I somehow knew she was not being entirely honest. First of all, why was she blinking her eyes so much to the point it was very distracting to me? According to a magazine I recently purchased, it says sometimes blinking a lot more than usual may be an indication of lying. But that is not the only tell-tale sign I picked up on. Just the whole vibe felt wrong and manipulative. I've always been attuned to reading in-between the lines naturally so I'm not as easily fooled by words or fake emotions. Interesting to see this play out from a psychological viewpoint though.



I did enjoy Bayonetta on PC and have not yet played Bayonetta 2 because I'm still wondering if it will ever come to PC and maybe some day Bayonetta 3. So I guess I'm holding out on the rest of the Bayonetta series for now.

With how tight Nintendo is with the contracts. Just look at Goldeneye as an example! They only allow it if it benefits them. Gonna be waiting along time for that port if ever!

 

[The Cartographer]

Notice how the mob that assaulted Kamiya on twitter now exonerates itself by claiming that their large scale attack attack on him was somehow justified.
They should all beg for pardon, the swindled fools.

 

[newtypepilot]

her VA career, however small it is, is over. All the bridges burned. In fact, I highly doubt she'll receive any acting gigs either since productions will fear she might go nuclear on the internet again if she thinks she's being lowballed.


but the balls to ask for 6 figures plus residuals LMAO

 

[Shut0wen]

So its came out that she was offered £3k to 4k a session with a total of 5 sessions and she requested 6 figures, makes sense since shes obsessed with how much bayonetta has made even though its impossible for the series to have made a total of 450 million in sales lmao

 

[Banjo64]

her VA career, however small it is, is over. All the bridges burned. In fact, I highly doubt she'll receive any acting gigs either since productions will fear she might go nuclear on the internet again if she thinks she's being lowballed.


but the balls to ask for 6 figures plus residuals LMAO

Waiting until a week before launch to deliberately try and tank the game that she knows regular devs have worked tirelessly on for years. On top of the bizarre attempt at claiming ownership of the character (the new VO isn’t allowed to sign anything or claim she is Bayonetta?) Obviously she was, and is, a massive headcase.

Poor Platinum.

 

[nemiroff]

So, is she batshit crazy or morally corrupted. Lying, twisting and obfuscating facts, trying to dupe the world into believing she's a victim of horrible unjust.. IDK.. Her behavior comes off as abhorrent to me.

 

[Saucy Papi]

This may be true, but I still doubt that she "lied." I think it's likely she either misunderstood their offer, or something else happened. She seemed to feel genuinely hurt in her video, to the point of making several mistakes that a calculated "lie" wouldn't likely include.

Breaking an NDA, claiming ownership of a character, attacking her replacement to an extent? These aren't things that benefit her, and I'm not aware of her asking for any money either, so I can't see any way she would benefit from an intentional lie.

Andy Robinson from VGC corroborated that she saw the original offer from Platinum Games. There's nothing indicating that she misunderstood the offer. She even countered the original offer so she knew exactly what it was they were offering.

 

[Banjo64]

This may be true, but I still doubt that she "lied." I think it's likely she either misunderstood their offer, or something else happened. She seemed to feel genuinely hurt in her video, to the point of making several mistakes that a calculated "lie" wouldn't likely include.

Breaking an NDA, claiming ownership of a character, attacking her replacement to an extent? These aren't things that benefit her, and I'm not aware of her asking for any money either, so I can't see any way she would benefit from an intentional lie.

She’s probably got mental health issues, and I don’t mean that in a flippant way.

 

[Negotiator]

It's not having the mobile device that drives the behavior. That's my point. The immediate audience is on social media, not on your mobile device.

Again:

Smartphones offer immediacy, unlike a regular PC.

It's not that hard to understand it...

I've been using social media since 2007 and it was never as bad as it is now. Find the difference.

 

[LegendOfKage]

Why is $250 - $300/hr "crazy low" for an action game character you haven't heard in a decade, reading an incoherent story and inconsenquential lines?

Because you're comparing it to a 9 to 5 job, when it's a contract job. They have to pay well in "bursts," essentially, because they're not dependable. I would also expect her to make considerably more than the standard pay for voice work, because she's in the most important role, doing the most work, and she's already been established as the voice of the character.

Not that I would expect her to be able to making a living with just Bayonetta games or anything like that.

The woman can literally be replaced within a day by a thousand other VA's who could do just as good or better.

No, quite literally there's only one person who has her exact voice. Once she's played the role in the past, many will expect that voice and want that character to continue sounding like her. Ever watch a Jackie Chan movie that wasn't filmed in English, and that Jackie Chan didn't do his own English dub work for? Hearing the "wrong" voice come out of someone can be really off-putting.

Just because you might be fine with someone else doing a somewhat flawed impression of her take on the character doesn't mean that every else would feel the same way.

So what company in their right mind is going to pay someone $50,000 or $100,000+ to do 15-20 hours of work? Why do you expect them to?

I would not expect them to. My only opinion has been $4000 is too low for a protagonist to voice an entire game, even if that is only 16 hours of work, because of the value that work brings to the overall product. I never discussed any amount more than that, and I'm not sure what I feel would be fair compensation for such an effort.

But I don't think 4000 dollars would be even close to appropriate compensation, and neither do several people familiar with the industry. And for now, it would seem that Platinum games doesn't think that would be appropriate either, because it sounds like that was never what they offered her in the first place.

 

[Nico_D]

well those fake tears will be much better in the theater indeed

Maybe she can body double Amber in court, round 2?

Also, when did Schreier become an actual journalist? I thought he would run to the barricades with Taylor.

 

[plasmawave]

Kamiya was telling the truth this whole time.
By the way if this gets you in trouble Kamiya just let me know and I will delete it.

 

[plasmawave]

Whats a person's skin color got to do with it you piece of shit.

You're clearly not familiar with white women's tears or how they get the most benefit of the doubt of any race or gender.

 

[I Master l]

Kamiya was telling the truth this whole time.
By the way if this gets you in trouble Kamiya just let me know and I will delete it.

Is this real?

 

[Putonahappyface]

Again:

Smartphones offer immediacy, unlike a regular PC.

It's not that hard to understand it...

I've been using social media since 2007 and it was never as bad as it is now. Find the difference.

I agree having a smartphone is easily more convenient than sitting at a desk via a PC. Social media was made for the ease of use of smartphones, so it was inevitable that social media would grow exponentially.