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[Hardensoul]

"In the case of Bayonetta 3, the developer appeared to be determined to rehire Taylor, according to two people familiar with the negotiations as well as documentation reviewed by Bloomberg. Here's where their accounts differ: Platinum Games sought to hire Taylor for at least five sessions, each paying $3,000 to $4,000 for four hours in the studio, said the people, who asked not to be identified because they aren't authorized to discuss private contract negotiations. That would make the total for the game at least $15,000. In response, they said, Taylor asked for a six-figure sum as well as residuals on the game. Platinum declined and, following lengthy negotiations, took auditions for a new actor. Platinum later offered Taylor a cameo in the game for the fee of one session, which she turned down, the people said."

Source:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...actor-s-pay-dispute-overshadows-nintendo-game

No sympathy for Helena Taylor at all, she would've got paid WAY better than her union suggested pay.

Turns out her greed was her own downfall.

Career suicide at it's finest.

That last bit about the cameo, does that mean a spoiler? First teaser Bayonetta died! So OG Bayonetta got small part! Recent trailers kinda show like a multiverse of Bayonettas’

If that’s what it was they were willing to over pay to get her to reprise the role one last time?

 

[TheDuskwalker]

I mean, your attitude is admirable, but we’re having Jason Whiteknight Schreier going against a woman’s version of the facts here. That’s basically as damning as it gets.

 

[Valonquar]

Maybe they can get Chris Pratt to voice her in 4?

 

[SSfox]

Maybe they can get Chris Pratt to voice her in 4?

I'm sure he'll be okay to do the work for 4K$

 

[anthony2690]

That last bit about the cameo, does that mean a spoiler? First teaser Bayonetta died! So OG Bayonetta got small part! Recent trailers kinda show like a multiverse of Bayonettas’

If that’s what it was they were willing to over pay to get her to reprise the role one last time?

Who knows, in the latest trailer they show OG bayonetta die.

But it's not like she has had any other work since, she seems to think getting 4x her union suggested pay per hour isn't good enough, probably why no one wants to hire her.

Why be part of a union if their suggested pay isn't up to your standards?

 

[Hardensoul]

I'm sure but there is still more to this.
If she is lying how does she not think she would be found out?

Like I think they lowballed her and this is largely her fault but surely to break NDAs she would want to have a good point and reason. It makes no sense at all from her point of view to take this chance for something that can be proven incorrectly in 5 seconds.

I don't think she's lying. This sounds like a massive misunderstanding and miscommunication that she took completely the wrong way.

Doesn’t seem like she cared about working as VA, her response mentions she wants to keep doing work in Thetre!

 

[ssringo]

I'm sure but there is still more to this.
If she is lying how does she not think she would be found out?

Like I think they lowballed her and this is largely her fault but surely to break NDAs she would want to have a good point and reason. It makes no sense at all from her point of view to take this chance for something that can be proven incorrectly in 5 seconds.

I don't think she's lying. This sounds like a massive misunderstanding and miscommunication that she took completely the wrong way.

It could very well be a misunderstanding with the truth (or at least the full picture) being a mix of the sides. Initial offer of 3-4k per session. She contacted Kamiya and countered. They declined. Negotiations fell apart so they decided to recast and offered a one off recording for 4k which was the "insulting offer". Years later she's in a bad spot in life and remembers the initial offer being about 3k and the final offer being 4k. She goes off. Oops.

She might be too deep in this to say "oops, my mistake" and is going to move on barring a legal response which is why she said she wants to be done with the franchise.

Or this is just a good PR spin for Platinum cover their asses.

Doubt we'll ever know for sure since I can't see anyone actually showing documented proof to the public. I'd love to be wrong though. The spectacle could get bigger!

 

[Hardensoul]

Who knows, in the latest trailer they show OG bayonetta die.

But it's not like she has had any other work since, she seems to think getting 4x her union suggested pay per hour isn't good enough, probably why no one wants to hire her.

Why be part of a union if their suggested pay isn't up to your standards?

Her response to Bloomberg article seem like she’s not looking to do anymore voice over roles but work in theatre! And her career list does seem to corroborate that with only Bayonetta as her only role for over 8yrs!

 

[Fbh]

That last bit about the cameo, does that mean a spoiler? First teaser Bayonetta died! So OG Bayonetta got small part! Recent trailers kinda show like a multiverse of Bayonettas’

If that’s what it was they were willing to over pay to get her to reprise the role one last time?

Come on, you really think they'll kill off OG Bayonetta?

If these new developments are true then she's absolutely batshit insane and has no idea of her worth, the IP's worth, or how the game VA industry works. Residuals are almost never a thing in gaming, and six figures for a role in a niche franchise like Bayonetta is just head-up-ass ignorant.

Assuming the Schreier report is true and based on her initial false claim that Bayonetta is a $450 million+ franchise it really sounds like she came to the wrong conclusion (either by herself or influenced by someone else) that Bayonetta as a franchise is a way bigger deal than it actually is, and she should be getting a bigger cut.

Maybe they can get Chris Pratt to voice her in 4?

Tom Holland would be better, so it's the same voice when he plays her in the live action adaptation.

 

[anthony2690]

Her response to Bloomberg article seem like she’s not looking to do anymore voice over roles but work in theatre! And her career list doesn’t seem to corroborate that with only Bayonetta as her only role for over 8yrs!

I can imagine no one wants to pay what she thinks she is worth.

If 4x her suggested union pay isn't good enough and she wanted 6 figures, she is crazy.

 

[Hardensoul]

Come on, you really think they'll kill off OG Bayonetta?



Assuming the Schreier report is true and based on her initial false claim that Bayonetta is a $450 million+ franchise it really sounds like she came to the wrong conclusion (either by herself or influenced by someone else) that Bayonetta as a franchise is a way bigger deal than it actually is, and she should be getting a bigger cut.



Tom Holland would be better, so it's the same voice when he plays her in the live action adaptation.

They did in the first reveal trailer! But the game maybe trying to save OG Bayonetta? Who knows what the plot is but we know there are multiple Bayonettas in the game!

 

[Ulysses 31]

 

[Fbh]

They did in the first reveal trailer! But the game maybe trying to save OG Bayonetta? Who knows what the plot is but we know there are multiple Bayonettas in the game!

Yeah I know but 95% of the time when the marketing campaign for something uses: "Is beloved character dead?!?!?!?!?!" it turns out "beloved character" is either alive or gets revived.
Specially for something like Bayonetta which has always included concepts like time travel

 

[daclynk]

i knew there were something off when she said Bayonetta franchise has made over $450 million.. lying greedy person and also qouting the bible WOW just WOW.

 

[daclynk]

I don't think she's lying. This sounds like a massive misunderstanding and miscommunication that she took completely the wrong way.

HOW????
WHERE???

sorry DP

 

[Fake]

Take a bow. GAF was right all along.

And look at all those simps here or on Twitter/resetera/etc..

I'll always priorize facts than declarations.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

"In the case of Bayonetta 3, the developer appeared to be determined to rehire Taylor, according to two people familiar with the negotiations as well as documentation reviewed by Bloomberg. Here's where their accounts differ: Platinum Games sought to hire Taylor for at least five sessions, each paying $3,000 to $4,000 for four hours in the studio, said the people, who asked not to be identified because they aren't authorized to discuss private contract negotiations. That would make the total for the game at least $15,000. In response, they said, Taylor asked for a six-figure sum as well as residuals on the game. Platinum declined and, following lengthy negotiations, took auditions for a new actor. Platinum later offered Taylor a cameo in the game for the fee of one session, which she turned down, the people said."

Source:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...actor-s-pay-dispute-overshadows-nintendo-game

No sympathy for Helena Taylor at all, she would've got paid WAY better than her union suggested pay.

Turns out her greed was her own downfall.

Career suicide at it's finest.

Clever. The way it's worded, she actually told the truth about the 4k offer, but just failed to mention the entire 15k deal that SHE DECLINED first. Good show.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. All assumptions. All opinions if yours. But you'll keep thinking you're right. Just because people are still buying the game doesn't mean that they aren't disappointed about the voice switch.

All these comments saying the people complaining were never going to buy the game in the first place. Where is the logic behind that assumption? Yet that is used almost every time people complain about a game. Saw that same line over the Last of Us Remake as a response to complaints over the price. It's like backwards logic at its best. The people most "upset" are the people most invested and passionate about something.

Again from a gamers perspective this is about a company not being willing to spend more than $4000 to have consistency across their series and to bring back a well liked characters voice. Every time this happens there are many upset fans hence the controversy that erupts. If her voice was so replaceable nobody would care but that ain't what's happening yet you say the opposite because you don't think people should complain

THe irony of your ignorant statements after today's information dumps.

Here is your prize, kiddo:

 

[HoodWinked]

And look at all those simps here or on Twitter/resetera/etc..

I'll always priorize facts than declarations.

the most insidious part is that those fuck sticks would have doubled down and say that she is still entitled to everything and more. However because they dug through her tweets and followers and determined that she is "unclean" it allows them to apply their sliding scale of righteousness. If she was just trans then she could have done no wrong.

 

[Madflavor]

Clever. The way it's worded, she actually told the truth about the 4k offer, but just failed to mention the entire 15k deal that SHE DECLINED first. Good show.

Yeah if true that's a pretty big difference. Really not looking good for her unless she has irrefutable evidence to show. Breaking NDA was shaky enough, but if what she said were true at the time she probably would've be fine in the long term. But if she lied about all this, her voice acting career is probably over.

 

[justiceiro]

This probably did more for the marketing of the game than any marketing action Nintendo had planned. Kudos

 

[Toons]

Theres no way this many people don't know who Hale is on a gaming board.

Also wtf is with all these users standing corporations being cheap like this? Very wierd look in this thread.

Sure the boycott thing is excessive but I find it very funny how many are saying "she should just bend over and take it" here, tonal shift from what we usually see.

 

[Jennings]

Hellena Taylor (Former voice of Bayonetta) Lies.

 

[Fake]

the most insidious part is that those fuck sticks would double down and say that she is still entitled to everything and more. However because they dug through her tweets and followers and determined that she is "unclean" it allows them to apply their sliding scale of righteousness. If she was just trans then she could have done no wrong.

My real take here and is for everyone simping women/men on the internet:

Wait for damn facts. I never said she lied, but she made very severe acusations there without showing proves. And about their 'rights', why people think social media is the place for asking rights?

 

[Secret of Evolution]

What a bitter, intentionally misleading farce. Good riddance.

 

[HoodWinked]

This probably did more for the marketing of the game than any marketing action Nintendo had planned. Kudos

oh absolutely. it's literal perfection that this could have happened the way that it did. How fucking insane that in the end GAF and REE have somehow ended up in the same alignment.

 

[Fbh]

But if she lied about all this, her voice acting career is probably over.

She doesnt really have a voice acting career. Since making Bayo 1 in 2009 she has 6 voice acting credits. 5 of which are Bayonetta. Her latest voice acting work being in 2014 for Bayo2.

Bayonetta was her voice acting career and now she has burned that bridge

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

Theres no way this many people don't know who Hale is on a gaming board.

Also wtf is with all these users standing corporations being cheap like this? Very wierd look in this thread.

Sure the boycott thing is excessive but I find it very funny how many are saying "she should just bend over and take it" here, tonal shift from what we usually see.

No one is "stanning" corporations. Just laughing at folks like you who white knight without knowing the full story. Also Platinum wasn't "Being cheap". With the information that came out today, they paid *above* the industry standard rates for non-unionized voice actors by a very good margin. She wanted far more than that.

At least have the decency to admit that you were simping/defending someone while purposefully remaining ignorant.

 

[ssringo]

How fucking insane that in the end GAF and REE have somehow ended up in the same alignment.

Close. GAF hates her for lying. REE hates her for being a TERF (lying is secondary) and following people on twitter that are...something they deem bad...I forget exactly and can't be assed to look it up. Just know that Pope Francis is on that list.

 

[Saucy Papi]

Wait! Has it been proven that she had lied about being offered $4,000 flat? All I've read so far is that 2 people claimed that it was $16k - $20k, and she wanted something else. We don't know whether that's a spin put out by Platinum Games or not with the game coming out in days. I can't see her making such a public video, and calling for a boycott of a game where thousands of others worked on, and not just her and it was all based on a lie. We need prove one way or the other before passing judgement. I can't believe how everyone is blasting her now, and calling her a "greedy bitch" when there's no proof out there.

According to Jason Schreier, he was shown contracts that contradicted her original claim so the current evidence is certainly not in her favor.

 

[Hardensoul]

This probably did more for the marketing of the game than any marketing action Nintendo had planned. Kudos

Yup! It's what I've been saying in this thread. This the most media ration for Bayonetta ever. Even TMZ covered this story. As of now Bayonetta has jumped to #23 on Amazon's best seller list for Video Games which included accessories and game cards.

https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=zg_bs_nav_0

 

[balls of snow]

Haa. She probably has narcissistic personality disorder. I've seen it first hand, the victimhood, the nobody understands me, the claim of self importance, the ply for grandiose gestures to appease that one person (herself) over others. That person I know of destroyed her own family and still thinks she was the victim in all that she has done.

 

[Danjin44]

This makes zero difference to me, regardless if she was lying or not I was never EVER going to boycott Bayonetta 3.

But I do wish people stop jumping in to hate bandwagon until they have little more info, especially youtubers......for fuck sake, PLEASE STOP posting videos if you dont have all the information.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

This makes zero difference to me, regardless if she was lying or not I was never EVER going to boycott Bayonetta 3.

But I do wish people stop jumping in to hate bandwagon until they have little more info, especially youtubers......for fuck sake, PLEASE STOP posting videos if you dont have all the information.

150%!

Absolutely fucking bonkers that people immediately jump to conclusions and assume the worst.

 

[Danjin44]

150%!

Absolutely fucking bonkers that people immediately jump to conclusions and assume the worst.

People in social media loved their drama…

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

People in social media loved their drama…

Social media has really ruined discussion quality everywhere.

 

[Astral Dog]

When this idiot circus is over, i hope Jennifer Hale finally gets some real praise for her role as Bayonetta she has been killing it in all the trailers! Jennifer Hale is not some cheap actress they took out of a whorehouse one day, nope she is a great actress with an actual prestigious career, the amount of disrespect and harrassment she's been getting from the manchildren is shameful

 

[TheInfamousKira]

She doesnt really have a voice acting career. Since making Bayo 1 in 2009 she has 6 voice acting credits. 5 of which are Bayonetta. Her latest voice acting work being in 2014 for Bayo2.

Bayonetta was her voice acting career and now she has burned that bridge

Yeah, I'd want more than $4,000 dollars if I only worked once every three years.

I know, she probably focuses all her real effort and attention on face to face acting and that's why her game credits are small, but that brings up the point: why be so petty about something that you aren't even that impassioned about?

Never knew this woman's name or face until this whole mess, but it was a bad first impression.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Social media has really ruined discussion quality everywhere.

I think in some ways it’s useful as to who to avoid , a lot easier to be a phoney shitbag online than in person.

 

[LegendOfKage]

According to Jason Schreier, he was shown contracts that contradicted her original claim so the current evidence is certainly not in her favor.

This may be true, but I still doubt that she "lied." I think it's likely she either misunderstood their offer, or something else happened. She seemed to feel genuinely hurt in her video, to the point of making several mistakes that a calculated "lie" wouldn't likely include.

Breaking an NDA, claiming ownership of a character, attacking her replacement to an extent? These aren't things that benefit her, and I'm not aware of her asking for any money either, so I can't see any way she would benefit from an intentional lie.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

This makes zero difference to me, regardless if she was lying or not I was never EVER going to boycott Bayonetta 3.

But I do wish people stop jumping in to hate bandwagon until they have little more info, especially youtubers......for fuck sake, PLEASE STOP posting videos if you dont have all the information.

The YouTubers will stop if it doesn’t make them money

 

[TheInfamousKira]

This may be true, but I still doubt that she "lied." I think it's likely she either misunderstood their offer, or something else happened. She seemed to feel genuinely hurt in her video, to the point of making several mistakes that a calculated "lie" wouldn't likely include.

Breaking an NDA, claiming ownership of a character, attacking her replacement to an extent? These aren't things that benefit her, and I'm not aware of her asking for any money either, so I can't see anyway she would benefit from an intentional lie.

The whole thing makes zero sense from any angle. Even before the Schreierening she just looked like she was entitled above the entirety of the staff and stamping her feet because her own self appraisal of her value didn't match up to what others thought.

And now?

But a "professional," would and should know better. Those mistakes could be hurt feelings, but it's not like this was a recorded private conversation. She had to sit down and collect her thoughts. Record it. Possibly re-record it. Sit with it and consciously make the decision to upload it to social media. At any point in time, she could have been like "This is a bad idea," but here we are.

 

[Trazyn the Infinite]

I think in some ways it’s useful as to who to avoid , a lot easier to be a phoney shitbag online than in person.

Definitely easy to avoid people, but then you realize how god damn stupid people have become and how these mentally ill folks invade all communities. Makes it increasingly harder to find places like GAF where sanity still exists.

 

[Toons]

No one is "stanning" corporations. Just laughing at folks like you who white knight without knowing the full story. Also Platinum wasn't "Being cheap". With the information that came out today, they paid *above* the industry standard rates for non-unionized voice actors by a very good margin. She wanted far more than that.

At least have the decency to admit that you were simping/defending someone while purposefully remaining ignorant.

What? Nah, you're refraining my argument. I never said she was totally in the right or anything, nor did I speak on what the standard was or anything like that.

What I said was that folks from the very beginning were telling her to just deal with it and move on, which is basically just "stop speaking up about the issue consume and be happy". This wss before anything came out about a "standard" or anything like that.

Expressing grievances over a pay is not some incorrigible thing and saying that isnt simping. My issue had to do with the reactionary takes more than anything else. I do think its stupid she immediately decided to go for boycott however.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Definitely easy to avoid people, but then you realize how god damn stupid people have become and how these mentally ill folks invade all communities. Makes it increasingly harder to find places like GAF where sanity still exists.

I think you make a good point , although I can’t help feel social media and the internet as a tool just does a better job of highlighting the worst traits in people.

Take stupidity for example, when I was a kid in the 80s my dad took me to a soccer game, bemused, I asked him why I couldn’t hear the commentators like on the TV

 

[ReBurn]

Oh boy.....this is getting wild now....Taylor said $4k TOTAL, not per session. I WANNA SEE THE RECEIPTS.

She said $4K was the final offer. She never said it was the only offer. The whole rant left out any context of what happened before the "final" offer. I'm inclined to believe it went down exactly like Bloomberg said and she negotiated herself out of the game.

 

[DemonGamerTTT]

LOL she's a pampered liar who turned down 20 grand for a week's work.

Woa where are all dumb man children cancel culture freaks now ???

Bunch of dumb fuckers....

I hope this bring some light in their empty mf heads...

 

[WoJ]

I've kind of only paid attention to this from headlines. But not going to lie, reading the details on this I loled. People who push misleading or flat out false shit like this are clowns and deserve to be treat as such.

 

[Grildon Tundy]

I always find it interesting that there's some sort of controversy for big games as they are coming up to release time:

Spider-Man and the Puddle

RE3 Remake featuring Nemesis' Teeth

FF7R's Controversial Story Change

And more recently, The Controversy of Gotham Knights locked at 30FPS

Kinda makes you think, doesn't it?

 

[Grildon Tundy]

Interesting, but I'm gonna need to see the receipts on that one.

Most "experts say" and "people familiar with the matter claim" and "study suggests" taglines are bullshit.

Most "Most" taglines without stats to back it up are bullshit.

Spoiler

I agree with you btw