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"Hello Again" Apple holding mac-centric media event October 27th 10am PST

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That touch bar concept is obviously coming to iPhone next year. With the button on the 7 not being real the second they can get the Touch ID sensor behind the screen (which is rumoured, right?) they'll ditch the physical button area completely. this will be their big software gimmick next year. Various contextual relative shortcuts either side of the home button.
 

LeleSocho

Banned
Does anyone remember how much the matte screen and the high res upgrade cost back in the day? I scrubbed through my email and looked at what my MacBook Pro was

15"
2.66GHz i7
4GB RAM

was like $2199

+high res screen
+matte display

=???


Hot damn, 2010 college killertofu did NOT know the value of a dollar. Jesus.

If i remember correctly you could have matte display only if high res and both together were a 150$/€ upgrade.
 

Warnen

Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
Next refresh-

Apple: People loved the touch bar so much we are upgrading it!
Crowd: Finally a touch screen mac!
Apple: Introducing the touch board, no keys any more just one giant touch screen and one regular screen (shows off a giant DS)
Crowd: .....
 

RaidenZR

Member
Skimmed the news today for anything about a new Apple external display. I've had a 5K iMac for a while now and need a companion monitor. Obviously there was nothing along those lines to be seen at the event that was Apple-made.

Are they seriously just giving up and endorsing LG's?
 

sikkinixx

Member
I have never, save from a netbook to dick around with, bought a non-Apple laptop. I've been here since the G3 days, a 12" G4 Powerbook (still my favourite) bought a Macbook the day they were available to get in on the Intel switch, a 15" MBP back in the 8600GT pre-unibody days and have had a Macbook Air 11" since they debuted in 2010. I've bought and sold multiple iMacs and am on my second Mac Mini (a 2012 quad-core i7). I've had iPhones since the 3G debuted in Canada. Every gen of an Apple TV. Airport Express and Time Capsules. OG iPad on launch day. Retina iPad Minis.


I'm done with their laptops. I get CAD is doing shitty but fuck me, if you want a retina screen laptop you need to drop $1550 for LAST YEARS Macbook Pro. They bumped the 12" Macbook by another $100 to $1650 to start and these new ones will get up over $2000 once taxes etc are dealt with. I'm not a stupid kid anyone who just threw stupid money into computers. I want something decent for a decent price. I don't need top of the line but I don't feel like these 'low end' Mac laptops are worth it anymore. My 11" was less than $1000 brand new 6 years ago. To get something sort of equivalent I'm spending double that.

Maybe I'll end up doing an iPad for work (most of PPTs and showing some videos to students) and keeping my Mac Mini (maybe SOME FUCKING DAY they'll update those decently) but I can't see myself dropping thousands on these new guys.
 
Next refresh-

Apple: People loved the touch bar so much we are upgrading it!
Crowd: Finally a touch screen mac!
Apple: Introducing the touch board, no keys any more just one giant touch screen and one regular screen (shows off a giant DS)
Crowd: .....
I think you mean

Crowd: *claps loudly because most of them are apple employees and the rest are tech journalists who will clap for literally anything shiny because it is their job*
 

kiguel182

Member
I love MacOS but this is a disappointing lineup. That touch bar seems like a fun diversion at bear and it made the computer 200 dollars more expensive with the baseline now only clocked at 2GHZ.

I really love MacOS vs Windows and I gusss they got me there but man if these computers aren't boring...
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
Skimmed the news today for anything about a new Apple external display. I've had a 5K iMac for a while now and need a companion monitor. Obviously there was nothing along those lines to be seen at the event that was Apple-made.

Are they seriously just giving up and endorsing LG's?
yes
 
Next refresh-

Apple: People loved the touch bar so much we are upgrading it!
Crowd: Finally a touch screen mac!
Apple: Introducing the touch board, no keys any more just one giant touch screen and one regular screen (shows off a giant DS)
Crowd: .....
I truly believe they will remove the physical keyboard to make it thinner.

Courage knows no bounds.
 
They can also install malware too. I'd never touch an outside App that installed shitty ads.

Most apps don't even put ads in, they just simply time how long you can use it until you buy it. I was just illustrating a point, that Apple can't stop developers from doing what they want with the touch bar if they're not putting it on the Mac store, and given how utterly shitty the Mac Store is many aren't going to bother with it (the Mac store) anyway.
 

entremet

Member
Some silver linings is that Thunderbolt 3 looks to be legit awesome.

Still a big Apple fan. The misstep are disappointing, though.

Biggest issues so far for me are the prices for the specs.
 

Chumley

Banned
One thing I will say is the space grey looks fucking nice and the actual look of the thing with the oled touch makes it look futuristic in a way I was almost sure they wouldn't be able to pull off after how minimalist the rMBP already was.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
So I have no idea how Mac product cycles work. I should wait a year for a spec bump and price drop? Or should I just buy one now.
 

kiguel182

Member
1700 euros for the base, non Touch bar model is hard to swallow. Still, that's the model for me if I do upgrade this year. 2 GHZ is disappointing as is the slower ram but 2000 euros for a laptop is crazy.

This whole thing is crazy actually.

I don't even feel like any of these are good. It's how I am right now. If I were to buy one I would just feel disappointed. This sucks.
 

Lo-Volt

Member
firehawk: wait a year if it isn't a "need it today purchase". Apple likes to push prices down as it settles its model line.

Anyway, these prices are really high to start, but I also recall some pretty high prices for the Mark I Retina-class MacBook Pro when it was revealed way back when. The 13-inch form factor started at $1,699, and the 15-inch model came out earlier in 2012 for $2,199. We've gotten used to much more palatable prices the last few years.

I'm more concerned about how they're trying to tie the entry-level Pro to the MacBook Air. That's a huge price gap for customers to consider, so suggesting them in the same breath... They aren't the same, even if the base 13" is relying on less stunning components. A MacBook Air consumer would get a lot more out of the new "stripper model" Pro, but the price difference is no small matter! I don't think these two Macs will appeal to the same customer, right now.

A MacBook Air is an everyday thing; a MacBook Pro only gets cross-shopped with the Air because the latter is unfit for purpose based on components. I'm sorry Apple didn't do something to give the Air one last revision's worth of relevance (not even 1080p) while this absurd gap persists. And for those of us who wanted a super-portable Mac regardless of specifications, the price of entry just shot up too, now that the ancient 720p 11-inch Air is gone.

Oh, and as Engadget et al pointed out, thanks for shipping a MacBook that can't easily connect to the iPhone 7 for data (because it ships with a USB-A plug, oops), and can't connect to the iPhone 7 EarPods for audio at all. This is why 3.5 mm is important, right? The least Apple could do is pack some USB-A and USB-C cables to ease the pain. Stop being cheap about this! (Oh wait.)
 

v1oz

Member
Each time Apple makes their MacBooks smaller the internal thermals get worse and the machines lifespans get shortened.

Nobody wants to spend over 2 grand on computer which will break down in a couple of years. The last couple of MBP generations are plagued with GPU failures that occur usually within 5 years. The models with discrete graphics however seem unaffected.
 

mrkgoo

Member
You are basically paying $300 for that oled touch strip. It's endlessly hilarious how much shit Apple gets away with.

I find it strange how people will boil down the only single feature that they may find as significant and then say that that is the only difference.

I mean disregard any engineering to go in to make it work, make it thinner, more power efficient, software, better screens etc

Edit: whoops didn't realise they made a NEW MBP without touch bar. But still, part of Munich point stands.
 

mrkgoo

Member
Each time Apple makes their MacBooks smaller the internal thermals get worse and the machines lifespans get shortened.

Nobody wants to spend over 2 grand on computer which will break down in a couple of years. The last couple of MBP generations are plagued with GPU failures that occur usually within 5 years. The models with discrete graphics however seem unaffected.

It was typically the units with discrete graphics.
 

VPhys

Member
Yup. Base model 15" + 512GB SSD + 4GB card is the sane upgrade route. CPU differences are negligible.



All the 13" models really need to be like, $200 cheaper, and they'd be fine.



Nah, entry level 13" WITH the touchpad needs to be $1299. The upcharge for the touchpad is WAY too much.


I expect these things to drop in price by at least $300 by the end of 2017.
 
I ordered the regular new 13" today coming from an extremely old macbook pro which died on me so could not wait it out or pay more than the base price

I am not happy I wanted to go 15 but I think this will be my last mac hope it gives me 4-5 years though
 

takoyaki

Member
So I have no idea how Mac product cycles work. I should wait a year for a spec bump and price drop? Or should I just buy one now.

Apple introduced the Macbook Pro retina in summer 2012. The specs were good but not great and the price was widely criticized. They did the 1st revision in early 2013, specs got a nice bump and upgrade options were priced more reasonable. That's when I got one.

If you don't need a new MBP right now, waiting a few months might be best. That's what I'll do with the new MBP.
 

hateradio

The Most Dangerous Yes Man
So I have no idea how Mac product cycles work. I should wait a year for a spec bump and price drop? Or should I just buy one now.
Sometimes the new models with different components from the previous ones (like these) are priced higher, and then they release some sort of tweaked versions in the Spring.

I don't think prices can go any higher than this for next year, but don't quote me on that. :p

I also don't know if they would use Kaby Lake next year, which would be nice.
 

GeoNeo

I disagree.
Sometimes the new models with different components from the previous ones (like these) are priced higher, and then they release some sort of tweaked versions in the Spring.

I don't think they can go any higher than this for next year, but don't quote me of that. :p

KabyLake comes out Q1 2017 so expect a mid year upgrade. Also, I would not be shocked if we saw NV GPU down the line seeing those ads of NV looking to hire people for Apple product development.
 
Just to clarify the base Radeon Pro 450 2gb will work or do I need to upgrade to the 460 4gb?

If I was you I'd think about upgrading to the 460 (I did). The difference between it and the 450 is fairly massive for a $200 difference, but depends on your needs. (of course, none of them are great GPUs, but this is Apple after all..they don't care much about gaming)

radeonpromacbookprocomparison-800x614.jpg
 
Let's be honest here - Apple's been shit lately. So glad I've stayed away from that whole ecosystem my whole life.
I don't think they have been tho.

Removing the headphone jack was annoying but it's nowhere near what they're pulling with the MBP. The iPhone 7/7+ is a really good phone priced at the same level as it's competition.
 

jstripes

Banned
Yep time to wait more.
I'll be able to afford one in five years anyway with my current pay. :/

(Can I setup a Kickstarter to get me a new laptop? My 2011 MBP's keyboard now has keys that sometimes don't like to respond and has a swelling battery that's affecting the trackpad.)

Oh for sure, unless they did some kind of major revision or upgrade I wouldn't expect them to get any time at an event like this. I'm just bitter as fuck that it's been over 2 years since their last update and yet their prices haven't come down at all. Not even a spec bump while new tech comes and goes and no update plan in sight. Are they discontinuing it? Are they gonna redesign it? Update it at all? A $500 machine from 2 years ago shouldn't be $500 today, y'know? Upgrade the guts or drop the price dammit!

One of the problems with 21st century Apple is that they play their cards too close to their chest. You never know when they're going to update their line until a few weeks ahead of it.
 
Why not just get last years refurb 15"?
I thought about it if I had reliable web brower today I would have done just that but the price had to be under $100 per month using the 18 month thing sheesh I just got too frustrated using my phone to look for deals called 1800myapple and ordered

I am so ready to stop pecking on this samsung I'm sure I'll be happy when it gets here Tuesday
 

Zackat

Member
I don't think they have been tho.

Removing the headphone jack was annoying but it's nowhere near what they're pulling with the MBP. The iPhone 7/7+ is a really good phone priced at the same level as it's competition.

yeah my sister has the new iphone and it is pretty sweet
 
For those wondering how it compares to the 2015, 2014, and 2013 13" MacBook's with i5. Just note the 2015 Benchmark was with 16GB RAM.

2016 13" MacBook Pro with i5: Single Core 3457 and Multicore 6896.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/873092
2015 13" MacBook Pro Retina with i5: Single Core 3860 and Multicore 7287.
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/872594
2014 13" MacBook Pro Retina with i5: Single Core 3481 and Multicore 6617.
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/871504
2013 13" MacBook Pro Retina with i5: Single Core 3523 and Multicore 6733.
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/869851


(Edit) Added links in case I grabbed the wrong PC's somebody can correct me. :<
 

Servbot24

Banned
For those wondering how it compares to the 2015, 2014, and 2013 13" MacBook's with i5. Just note the 2015 Benchmark was with 16GB RAM.

2016 13" MacBook Pro with i5: Single Core 3457 and Multicore 6896.
http://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/873092
2015 13" MacBook Pro Retina with i5: Single Core 3860 and Multicore 7287.
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/872594
2014 13" MacBook Pro Retina with i5: Single Core 3481 and Multicore 6617.
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/871504
2013 13" MacBook Pro Retina with i5: Single Core 3523 and Multicore 6733.
https://browser.primatelabs.com/v4/cpu/869851


(Edit) Added links in case I grabbed the wrong PC's somebody can correct me. :<
Am I reading this right? It got worse?
 

entremet

Member
Is it just me or is this really disappointing?

Nope. It's not just you.

Price, plus using sixth generation processors instead of the seventh generation processors, which are available in many Windows notebooks now, is big disappointment.

No desktop refresh either and the Mac Pros are basically dying on the vine lol.

I don't mind the new I/O as Thunderbolt 3 is awesome. But pricing and going underpowered with the CPU is a bit a letdown.
 

toohectic

Member
Am I reading this right? It got worse?

2.0GHz vs 2.9GHz. The more appropriate comparison is to wait for the 13" Pro with Touch Bar geekbench results to compare against the 2015 model since they have the same clock rate. The new model tested above is the one without touch bar.
 
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