StopMakingSense
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"Hello Again" Apple holding mac-centric media event October 27th 10am PST
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Oh I didn't follow the whole thread and thought you were the guy sorry!
I'd sacrifice that for everything else it does. In a heartbeat. They can replace it with iPhone/Apple Watch detection.
Bob Dobalina
Member
The bigger question is how he can stand to use Photoshop on a screen as bad as the 11 inch air, but it seems to work for him.
Interesting
Wowfunhappy
Member
The best processor on the 12 Inch Macbook is 1.3 Ghz vs 2.2 Ghz on the Macbook Air, + architectural advantages due to it being a proper i7 as opposed to an m7.
That said, this is the first time I've heard that it can run Adobe apps reliably. If you can happen to find actual benchmarks I could comparefor the models with the best processors, as opposed to the base onesI'd really appreciate it. I've looked into it and haven't come up with much.
Even then, I'm not sure I could deal with the keyboard, but it would be something to consider at least.
Rocky Raccoon
Banned
I would get a Dell XPS from Dell Outlet
They sometime have coupons such as $500 off $1200, or 35% off.
I don't think this year is a good year to buy MBP because of early adopter tax. At least wait for next year for Apple to lower its price for their next iteration.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
If I add the best GPU and a 512GB to the base 15" rMBP, it's $300 less than a similarly spec'd high-end rMBP. The ONLY difference I see is a 100mhz increase on the i7.
Is that correct?
Is that correct?
WoolyNinja
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GamePnoy74
Member
After 12+ years you get tired of waiting.
..or keep waiting forever. ¯\_(ツ
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_/¯LostMyNarbles
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Saw on Slickdeals, but looks like there may be a listing mistake on Amazon. The 13" i5 is listed at $1,500 instead of $2,000 and it says "2.9GHz" so it is presumably the one with the TouchBar. Like wise the 15" is $2,000 instead of 2,800.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LTHXAOK/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LTHXAOA/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LTHXAOK/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LTHXAOA/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Rocky Raccoon
Banned
After 12+ years you get tired of waiting...or keep waiting forever. ¯_(ツ
You can get a Dell XPS 15 9550
1080p Matte Display
6th Gen Intel i7-6700HQ
16GB RAM
512GB PCIe SSD storage
Nvidia GTX 960M
10 hr battery life
For $988.99 after tax
There's also a XPS 13.
I would recommend those Dell XPS laptops over these new MacBook Pros
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
You know, really the issue with the Touch Bar is that it's such a tiny subset of a subset of users that will have it, that I can't ever see it catching on.
Take Windows 10. It's on, what, a few hundred million devices? Let's assume, I dunno, a third of the total devices being sold have a touch display? At the very least, it works on desktop, laptops, convertibles, tablets, etc.
Now take the Touch Bar. If I'm a developer, and I am debating on supporting the new gimmick, I think to myself.
It's only on OSX
It's only on OSX laptops
It's only on high-end OSX laptops
It's only on high-end OSX laptops that have just been released
I dunno... I just can't help but think it'll be like Widgets back in the day - completely forgotten in a few years.
Take Windows 10. It's on, what, a few hundred million devices? Let's assume, I dunno, a third of the total devices being sold have a touch display? At the very least, it works on desktop, laptops, convertibles, tablets, etc.
Now take the Touch Bar. If I'm a developer, and I am debating on supporting the new gimmick, I think to myself.
It's only on OSX
It's only on OSX laptops
It's only on high-end OSX laptops
It's only on high-end OSX laptops that have just been released
I dunno... I just can't help but think it'll be like Widgets back in the day - completely forgotten in a few years.
Republic of Ezo
Member
I'm currently running a 2011 13" MacBook Air, which is still holding on but showing serious signs of wear - power button is broken (literally have to open it and manually reboot when the power runs out) and the audio system overloads very easily when using Logic. I have about $2000-2200 to burn on a new laptop and am disappointed by the price increase on the new comps. I think the touchbar has its uses but I don't know if it's worth the extra money for my own uses at least. Currently debating the following:
2016 MacBook Pro w/o Touch Bar
16GB RAM
512 GB SSD
i5 Processor: $1992 pre-tax
vs.
i7 Processor: $2262 pre-tax
Is the processor boost worth the extra nearly $300? Also considering the 2015 Retina Pro version so I don't need an adaptor for my mic and all my USB's (but is almost the exact same price as the new model). Could also try to wait one more year, but I don't think my comp is going to hold out that long.
2016 MacBook Pro w/o Touch Bar
16GB RAM
512 GB SSD
i5 Processor: $1992 pre-tax
vs.
i7 Processor: $2262 pre-tax
Is the processor boost worth the extra nearly $300? Also considering the 2015 Retina Pro version so I don't need an adaptor for my mic and all my USB's (but is almost the exact same price as the new model). Could also try to wait one more year, but I don't think my comp is going to hold out that long.
Pops Maellard
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longdi
Banned
I got the 4k xps15, its great by windows standards, but the initial bios not so good, and the tb3 ports are flakey with certain accessories. The battery life about 6hrs for work use.
Was comparing with mbp back then, and bought xps15 cheaper with 4 yrs pro support warranty. The new mbp prices seem to have increased by 20%... makes it easier for me to choose xps15 now.
dude climbing up dat ladder
longdi
Banned
Pretty impressive, considering he is still a student, America is indeed a land of possibilities!
LyleLanley
Banned
Man, people really love to get dramatic over this stuff huh?
At least part of that will be the currency slide in recent months. Apple sticks with existing prices until a product refresh, so the older MBP would have been a (relative) bargain before today because of the exchange rate. Now they will have corrected it when bringing new MBPs out. Same happened with IPhone 6 when the 7 came out. It didn't drop in price like it normally would, because of the exchange rate corrections.
Very compelling arguments.
Windows has been a perfectly reasonably alternative to OS X since windows 7 IMO. And the industrial design has come on leaps and bounds. My wife's zenbook is basically identical to my work MBA. My surface pro 4 is gorgeous, and there are plenty of other well built, nice looking windows laptops out there.
moniker
Member
First I thought that the prices were insane for the new Macbooks here in Sweden. The base 15" model is now ~$3000, and I paid ~$2600 for the high end model in 2013. Then I looked up the exchange rate and see that the USD is about 40% more expensive today than when I bought my Macbook. Adjusted for that, my old Macbook would have been ~$3640(!). So these prices makes sense, it's just the exchange rate that seriously sucks right now.
Aquavelvaman
Banned
I'm pretty sure he graduated last semester. He got that new giant studio recently.
itsbenoclock
Member
Gonna have to go to the shops and try one out if it's got this new keyboard everyone hates. Just had a look at UK pricing... Over £3000 for one with decent storage what the fuuuuu.....
Apple, it's not a 'Pro' model if you're starting at 256gb storage options, come on.
Apple, it's not a 'Pro' model if you're starting at 256gb storage options, come on.
Anyone remember the internet outrage when Apple cut the OG iPhone price from $599 to $399 and all the early adopters raged, so Jobs issued an apology and credited early adopters something like $100 at the Apple Store? I think they slashed iPhone prices something like three months after release to speed up adoption/gain market share.
Interesting to think about how far we've moved away from that Apple.
I guess you could factor in $599 plus the price of a two year contract? So tech was really more expensive back then.
Interesting to think about how far we've moved away from that Apple.
I guess you could factor in $599 plus the price of a two year contract? So tech was really more expensive back then.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Welp, I did it. I bought a new Laptop. Kind of.
Thanks for nothing, Apple!
I just bought myself a $1411 old laptop
GamePnoy74
Member
I have a decent Win10 desktop I built during the summer, works great. It's been planned that my wife's next laptop would be a MacBook whenever this next-gen version would come out.
Apple seem to be trying to force innovation without actually innovating, and to me that's a sign of no real vision in the company. Whilst I thought the purchase of Beats was questionable (Jobs certainly wouldn't have bought them out), the real decline with things in my eyes was last year with the MacBook with 1 port and more recently with dropping the headphone jack.
I don't see the point of the "Pro" lineup anymore either since they've essentially given up on it and ironically it seems like Microsoft has acknowledged this.
They've really got to get their act together.
I don't see the point of the "Pro" lineup anymore either since they've essentially given up on it and ironically it seems like Microsoft has acknowledged this.
They've really got to get their act together.
eyeball_kid
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Naw. This is a pro machine. People run pro apps on it. Pro users demand all the latest features because they paid decent money for them, and app developers will implement the latest stuff because they've got competitors who will if they don't.
But this is not a one-model feature. This will get rolled out to the regular MacBook in a year or few once the costs come down. This is how Apple sees multitouch features integrating with the macOS, it's not going away.
Well to be fair, dropping MagSafe is a bit enraging, though one may want to avoid stomping around in anger close to the new MBP because it's so light now that they might fling it across the room. I really thought they'd have some special MagSafe USB-C connectors, but nope. Better get that AppleCare!
Spitballing here, but the normal trackpad mode would just send mouse input to the screen. Maybe it's just black. But when an app activates a touch widget, for instance an editing panel in Photos, or an audio plugin in GarageBand, that shows up in the touchscreenpad and touch control stays there until you dismiss it.
I think having a giant touchscreen at the bottom of your keyboard could look pretty silly though. And because you're looking straight down, you can't really monitor what's going on with the main screen. That's why the Touch Bar is a decent compromise.
I was really hoping the new MBP would somehow integrate Pencil support, but alas.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I'm baffled here.
This shit is just mindblowing. What the F is Apple doing?
"It just works."
Unless you want to connect your Apple iPhone to your Apple Macbook. Or the same headphones to both devices. Then it just doesn't work at all, without adapters. Adapter to connect your iPhone, another adapter to use your headphones with both devices (actually, can you use Lightning headphones with a Mac at all?), adapters everywhere. Apple's hardware ecosystem and interconnectivity is reaching unseen heights of stupidity. It's like the iPhone and Mac teams don't communicate at all. Or, I guess, it's all very intentional and they just want to keep selling proprietary shit.
TWO HUNDRED AND TEN US DOLLARS
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I use a Macbook for work (and I do like it, hardware-wise), but all this ridiculous shit makes it so easy to stay with Windows PC + Android for private use.
Apple, IMO, shows an extraordinary disregard for their customers. User-friendly my ass.
Apple, IMO, shows an extraordinary disregard for their customers. User-friendly my ass.
Kill Your Masters
Member
I am pretty happy buying my first MBP 5 months ago, because waiting for this definitely wouldn't have been worth it, from pricing to everything else...
katsubento
Member
I've always loved Apple's Macbook Pro. I need a new one, my 2009 is starting to go.
But I'm really not happy with what I've seen today. I may have to switch. I can't even believe I'm contemplating not buying a mac laptop.
I miss Jobs. Jony and Tim are turning Apple into the opposite of what it was.
But I'm really not happy with what I've seen today. I may have to switch. I can't even believe I'm contemplating not buying a mac laptop.
I miss Jobs. Jony and Tim are turning Apple into the opposite of what it was.
MooseKnuckles
Banned
I've been in the market for a new laptop for a while now (for video editing) - I was leaning towards PC (Dell XPS specifically) but wanted to wait until the new Macbook Pros were revealed before making a decision...
The choice was certainly made much easier today. I've defended Mac's on price to performance in the past, but this is pretty ludicrous. I specc'd one out with the top end GPU and a 512GB SSD, and it was over $4500 AUD. If you max out the specs its $6650 AUD! And that doesn't even get you 32GB of RAM.
I also don't see why the 15" couldn't accommodate a row of function keys in addition to the touch bar - then professionals get the best of both worlds and can tailor macros etc around their specific needs while still having the new features that come with the OLED bar. And that's before even getting to the bullshit adapter-festival that would be required to adapt this thing to any pre-existing workflow.
Once the XPS 15 gets updated to Pascal I'm there.
The choice was certainly made much easier today. I've defended Mac's on price to performance in the past, but this is pretty ludicrous. I specc'd one out with the top end GPU and a 512GB SSD, and it was over $4500 AUD. If you max out the specs its $6650 AUD! And that doesn't even get you 32GB of RAM.
I also don't see why the 15" couldn't accommodate a row of function keys in addition to the touch bar - then professionals get the best of both worlds and can tailor macros etc around their specific needs while still having the new features that come with the OLED bar. And that's before even getting to the bullshit adapter-festival that would be required to adapt this thing to any pre-existing workflow.
Once the XPS 15 gets updated to Pascal I'm there.
AppleSeason
Member
Honestly, I'm trying to understand why I'm pissed off. I was ready to pay the price of the previous 13" MBP with the 256gb upgrade, which basically costs just 11 less than the basic model with the same model. I even was ok with no oled strip since I wanted buttons.
But just two ports and one of them having to be occupied by the charger... I would have bought a dongle or hub anyways, but I can't get over the fact that if one of those two ports breaks, I'm stuck with just one.
So right now I don't know what to do. My main reason to want a mac computer was the awful experience with Windows 10 and I had been waiting for months (to the point of buying a cheap laptop to hold until then), and now I am contemplating the xps 13. Lots of thinking for now.
But just two ports and one of them having to be occupied by the charger... I would have bought a dongle or hub anyways, but I can't get over the fact that if one of those two ports breaks, I'm stuck with just one.
So right now I don't know what to do. My main reason to want a mac computer was the awful experience with Windows 10 and I had been waiting for months (to the point of buying a cheap laptop to hold until then), and now I am contemplating the xps 13. Lots of thinking for now.
SuperEpicMan
Banned
Some of the decisions Apple have made lately have been a bit concerning. I am a massive fan of most of their products, but some things they are doing just seem either a little anti-consumer, or just downright shortsighted.
Regarding iPads, their primary competition seems to be the Surface Pro, which for £749 comes with a full keyboard, 128gb storage and the pen. Compared to Apple's iPad Pro which is £729 for a 32gb storage, and then it bumps up to £997 if you want the keyboard and pencil with it. For a customer who is looking to jump in to either of these, the Surface Pro seems like a no brainer, (unless you are already tied into Apple's eco system).
With regards to their current MacBook lineup, I understand why they have removed the ports and the MagSafe (and I agree with it for the most part), but if I were to buy one today and took it home, none of my devices would be able to connect to it without me buying more cables.
iPhone uses a lightning to USB cable.
My external monitor uses Mini DP.
My new ear phones from my phone don't connect.
I feel the least they could have done to ease the transition, would be to include a USB dongle, or in an ideal world offer some sort of legacy port dongle in each box with maybe a USB, Mini DP, HDMI and SD card reader. Plus removing the extra plug thing for your power cable seems pretty petty.
You then have the issue with the prices being jacked up which now means the MacBook Air is the cheapest at £949 with old hardware and specs. This maybe wouldn't have been such a problem a few years ago, but today the competition is pretty strong, and all those people who have been priced out of getting a MacBook, are now just going to get into the Microsoft ecosystem.
Regarding iPads, their primary competition seems to be the Surface Pro, which for £749 comes with a full keyboard, 128gb storage and the pen. Compared to Apple's iPad Pro which is £729 for a 32gb storage, and then it bumps up to £997 if you want the keyboard and pencil with it. For a customer who is looking to jump in to either of these, the Surface Pro seems like a no brainer, (unless you are already tied into Apple's eco system).
With regards to their current MacBook lineup, I understand why they have removed the ports and the MagSafe (and I agree with it for the most part), but if I were to buy one today and took it home, none of my devices would be able to connect to it without me buying more cables.
iPhone uses a lightning to USB cable.
My external monitor uses Mini DP.
My new ear phones from my phone don't connect.
I feel the least they could have done to ease the transition, would be to include a USB dongle, or in an ideal world offer some sort of legacy port dongle in each box with maybe a USB, Mini DP, HDMI and SD card reader. Plus removing the extra plug thing for your power cable seems pretty petty.
You then have the issue with the prices being jacked up which now means the MacBook Air is the cheapest at £949 with old hardware and specs. This maybe wouldn't have been such a problem a few years ago, but today the competition is pretty strong, and all those people who have been priced out of getting a MacBook, are now just going to get into the Microsoft ecosystem.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
Just so people know: Thunderbolt 3 supports the USB-C form factor, but it doesn't mean the cables you plug into it are going to utilise the thunderbolt protocol. You've got to have a device that supports it AND an actual thunderbolt cable before you get the benefits. Otherwise it'll use USB 3.1.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I really hate to bring the whole "Steve Jobs died for your sins" thing, but as a relative outsider (having only owned an iPad, which I adore) it really think that Apple is losing the thread here really fast.
People mocked bizarre things like the awkward charging of the Apple Pen and the new Mighty Mouse, claiming that a short period of charging would suffice for the rest of the day. Fine. But the design itself was so incredibly against Apple's principles it was kind of shocking. Startling, even.
Then you have the removal of the 3.5mm port followed by new Earpods not working on the Pro, iPhones and MacBook Pros not being able to connect through cable and dongles everywhere. While I favour the one port future, I also believe that things like the MagSafe were hugely beneficial. It was the thing that made me envy my friend's MacBooks. Not anymore.
And the Touch Bar is a mess. I echo the feeling of whoever compared it to the ancient Windows-powered Widgets. I think it's nifty (if a tad gimmicky), but Apple lacked the "courage" to spread it all over the Pro line, which goes on to show how confident they feel about it. And if you think about it, you'll realise that it's only available on Apple's two most powerful laptops, meaning that it may remain a tiny, niche option that will never reach its full potential due to its smaller user base and reach.
For a company that rebuilt its reputation by heavily pushing for convenience and dependability, they been stumbling quite a bit. So much for the old "it just works".
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