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The TVs are Ax based so Apple can release those on their own roadmap. They don't really care about storage for them so I don't see Apple doing anything more with them until they feel like going 4K imo.

On the Mac side though it would be good to see a strong desktop launch at once. Their pricing and desktop GPU options remain to be seen though...

The A8's already capable of decoding 4K, IIRC, just not encoding it in real time from an iPhone/iPad camera. That said, I'm not sure a mere firmware upgrade would be enough to bump the AppleTV's output over HDMI to 4K, so it'd still likely need a hardware upgrade anyway.

 

[Guess Who]

Minor thing I thought might be noteworthy: this teardown shows the 13" non-Touch Bar Pro only has one fan and only vents through the hinge; the 28W Touch Bar model has vents on the bottom and two fans per Apple's "x-ray" shot in the keynote.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Out for Delivery

Regardless of all the let downs I am getting hyped for my mac

Awesome. Be sure to let us know what you think after you've returned to a place of objectivity and have been using it for a week or so. What computer is it replacing?

 

[Fliesen]

Btw, about that whole "power plug extension cord / no more magsafe" thing. Got me wondering:

Since the Macbooks charge via USB-C, is there any minimum current (voltage, amperage, whatever the right term may be...) requirement for charging those macbooks? or could i possibly (albeit slowly) charge / keep it powered via the powered USB hub on my desk?
What's the actual power draw in Watts?

 

[Guess Who]

Btw, about that whole "power plug extension cord / no more magsafe" thing. Got me wondering:

Since the Macbooks charge via USB-C, is there any minimum current (voltage, amperage, whatever the right term may be...) requirement for charging those macbooks? or could i possibly (albeit slowly) charge / keep it powered via the powered USB hub on my desk?
What's the actual power draw in Watts?

There's no minimum current, but yes, they'll charge slowly if you use anything less than their included power supply. The 13" Pro wants 60W and the 15" wants 85.

 

[maharg]

Btw, about that whole "power plug extension cord / no more magsafe" thing. Got me wondering:

Since the Macbooks charge via USB-C, is there any minimum current (voltage, amperage, whatever the right term may be...) requirement for charging those macbooks? or could i possibly (albeit slowly) charge / keep it powered via the powered USB hub on my desk?
What's the actual power draw in Watts?

Normal USB charging works differently from the new USB power standards. Devices can use or not use either of them. But in particular I don't think the old kind is negotiable (a device can't be both a receiver and sender of power without potentially causing problems), and the macbook would generally put out power for normal USB devices.

The new USB Power spec allows 100W to go either way. Normal charging is 2.5-5W in one direction. Macbook chargers are (I think) either 60 or 80W. It would take a really long time to charge one by normal USB power.

 

[Fliesen]

Normal USB charging works differently from the new USB power standards. Devices can use or not use either of them. But in particular I don't think the old kind is negotiable (a device can't be both a receiver and sender of power without potentially causing problems), and the macbook would generally put out power for normal USB devices.

The new USB Power spec allows 100W to go either way. Normal charging is 2.5-5W in one direction. Macbook chargers are (I think) either 60 or 80W. It would take a really long time to charge one by normal USB power.

sure, sure.
well, an 'iPad rated' USB port (2.5A) provides 10W, right?

seeing as they advertise the battery of the 13" at 54Ah, and that one should last you 10 hours for 'office work' use, the average draw should be below 10W, which would mean, you'd be able to at least not have it drain power while connected to such a 'weak' charger.

(cmiiw, i'm really dumb with my watts and amperes and volts. the best i can do is "54Wh is one hour of 54W draw" )

 

[Smiles and Cries]

typing on my new MacBook Pro

ah finally a new Mac feels good man

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

typing on my new MacBook Pro

ah finally a new Mac feels good man

How is the keyboard compared to your old MacBook?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Awesome. Be sure to let us know what you think after you've returned to a place of objectivity and have been using it for a week or so. What computer is it replacing?

coming from a Mid 2009
Apple 13.3" MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo 2.26GHz, 2GB RAM (upgrade to 8), 160GB Hard Drive, NVIDIA GeForce 9400M, SuperDrive - Aluminum unibody

to the lowest basic 13" 2GHz intel core i5

RIP old man

got to buy dongles

 

[Smiles and Cries]

shit just noticed no light up Apple Logo WTF! >_<

How is the keyboard compared to your old MacBook?

my keys were broken for a few years so can't really be good source for that
these are very different but feels okay so far they do feel flatter thinner but a nice feel

 

[Ephemeris]

that thing is too sexy, Smiles and Cries. I'm stuck here trying to decide if I want 16GB/256 or 8GB/512. Budget won't allow both at the moment.

I can never have too much storage, but most of my primary workstations run 16GB of RAM minimum.. but then the Macbook isn't gonna be Primary... ah these first-world problems.

 

[eyeball_kid]

Wow, that's a big upgrade in speed for you. Congrats!

My big concern with the butterfly keyboard and its lack of key travel is that it's not going to be ergonomic for someone like me who tends to tap heavily on keys. I already have some RSI issues from past keyboard use, though the last-gen MBP keyboard was fine.

Looking at those measly two ports, I realize I have a port fetish. I love ports. The bigger variety the better.

that thing is too sexy, Smiles and Cries. I'm stuck here trying to decide if I want 16GB/256 or 8GB/512. Budget won't allow both at the moment.

16GB. You can always hook up external storage, but you're stuck with that RAM for X number of years.

 

[xxracerxx]

16GB. You can always hook up external storage, but you're stuck with that RAM for X number of years.

This x1000000

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

that thing is too sexy, Smiles and Cries. I'm stuck here trying to decide if I want 16GB/256 or 8GB/512. Budget won't allow both at the moment.

I can never have too much storage, but most of my primary workstations run 16GB of RAM minimum.. but then the Macbook isn't gonna be Primary... ah these first-world problems.

I would get the 16GB RAM. You can always resell it when newer iteration of Macbooks come out.

You should've ordered the Macbook Pro earlier. They are arriving in 5 weeks, unless you get the Non Touch Bar model.

 

[jstripes]

coming from a Mid 2009
Apple 13.3" MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo 2.26GHz, 2GB RAM (upgrade to 8), 160GB Hard Drive, NVIDIA GeForce 9400M, SuperDrive - Aluminum unibody

to the lowest basic 13" 2GHz intel core i5

RIP old man

Oh man, swollen battery?

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Out for Delivery

Regardless of all the let downs I am getting hyped for my mac

Whaaat? Which one?

Please ship my 15" Apple.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

that thing is too sexy, Smiles and Cries. I'm stuck here trying to decide if I want 16GB/256 or 8GB/512. Budget won't allow both at the moment.

I can never have too much storage, but most of my primary workstations run 16GB of RAM minimum.. but then the Macbook isn't gonna be Primary... ah these first-world problems.

Wow, that's a big upgrade in speed for you. Congrats!

My big concern with the butterfly keyboard and its lack of key travel is that it's not going to be ergonomic for someone like me who tends to tap heavily on keys. I already have some RSI issues from past keyboard use, though the last-gen MBP keyboard was fine.

Looking at those measly two ports, I realize I have a port fetish. I love ports. The bigger variety the better.



16GB. You can always hook up external storage, but you're stuck with that RAM for X number of years.

This x1000000

I would get the 16GB RAM. You can always resell it when newer iteration of Macbooks come out.

You should've ordered the Macbook Pro earlier. They are arriving in 5 weeks, unless you get the Non Touch Bar model.

Yeah I could only afford the 8GB get your Ram up!

Oh man, swollen battery?

nah hospital stay a few times the people who bring my food would knock all my stuff off the table so it took a few falls since 2009

Whaaat? Which one?

Please ship my 15" Apple.

13" without the fancy stuff ships earlier so that is what I could afford anyway

 

[KingKong]

16gb seems like overkill on a non-gaming laptop to me but you can't upgrade after so you think you might as well. that's how they get you!

 

[Smiles and Cries]

16gb seems like overkill on a non-gaming laptop to me but you can't upgrade after so you think you might as well. that's how they get you!

lol
I feel some screws under the thing I got 3 years of Apple Care on this I wonder if they will fuss at me if I open her up and put 16GBs in there it is far cheaper buying RAM any other place but Apple

 

[RDreamer]

16gb seems like overkill on a non-gaming laptop to me but you can't upgrade after so you think you might as well. that's how they get you!

Depends on what you're doing. I do Photoshop, Illustrator, and Premiere and now I wouldn't be caught dead without 16.

 

[toohectic]

lol
I feel some screws under the thing I got 3 years of Apple Care on this I wonder if they will fuss at me if I open her up and put 16GBs in there it is far cheaper buying RAM any other place but Apple

The MBP doesn't have user-serviceable / user-replaceable RAM. You need to get what you will need from the start. The SSD is replaceable on the non-touchbar 13" unit, however I don't know if it is a proprietary style or not.

 

[HowardRoark]

AppleCare is $350? Damn, that brings me to over $3k for a 15" with a 460...

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

coming from a Mid 2009
Apple 13.3" MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo 2.26GHz, 2GB RAM (upgrade to 8), 160GB Hard Drive, NVIDIA GeForce 9400M, SuperDrive - Aluminum unibody

to the lowest basic 13" 2GHz intel core i5

RIP old man

got to buy dongles

why do you need dongles?

just get one of these if you're desperate for connectivity, all powered by a single usb c port. http://www.satechi.net/index.php/sa...t-sd-micro-card-reader-3-usb-3-0-ports-silver

usb c is so great. There if ya need it.

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

AppleCare is $350? Damn, that brings me to over $3k for a 15" with a 460...

Why do people need to get Applecare?

I would use the Mac book for a year, then sell it in time for the newer Macbook.

 

[Sir Abacus]

AppleCare is $350? Damn, that brings me to over $3k for a 15" with a 460...

Yep. That's why I only get them once every three years.

 

[Pixels]

why do you need dongles?

just get one of these if you're desperate for connectivity, all powered by a single usb c port. http://www.satechi.net/index.php/sa...t-sd-micro-card-reader-3-usb-3-0-ports-silver

usb c is so great. There if ya need it.

That's slick!

 

[biosnake20]

Used the new Pro today in the store and was surprised by the keyboard. I don't really like the macbook one but the new second gen butterfly version of it is great, I'm think I might even prefer it over the usual "scissor" keys.

 

[Zeyphersan]

Yep. That's why I only get them once every three years.

Same. I pretty much make sure I'm never out of warranty

 

[giga]

coming from a Mid 2009
Apple 13.3" MacBook Pro Intel Core 2 Duo 2.26GHz, 2GB RAM (upgrade to 8), 160GB Hard Drive, NVIDIA GeForce 9400M, SuperDrive - Aluminum unibody

to the lowest basic 13" 2GHz intel core i5

RIP old man



got to buy dongles

I used to have that same pro and it's crazy how thick it looks today, when it was thought of as pretty slim 7 years back.

 

[ElNino]

why do you need dongles?

just get one of these if you're desperate for connectivity, all powered by a single usb c port. http://www.satechi.net/index.php/sa...t-sd-micro-card-reader-3-usb-3-0-ports-silver

usb c is so great. There if ya need it.

This reminds me that the Continuum Display dock I got from Microsoft with my 950XL would probably work great with the new Macbooks since it provides 3xUSB 2.0, HDMI and DisplayPort over USB-C. Not that I have any current intention of getting one these, but in case I do maybe this will come handy.

 

[Leona Lewis]

I used to have that same pro and it's crazy how thick it looks today, when it was thought of as pretty slim 7 years back.

That design is still so great.

When that first aluminum unibody with the flush glass display and that slick trackpad came out...man, Apple used to be so far ahead of EVERYONE.

 

[Your Entertainer]

Really thinking of buying the new Razer Blade, or waiting till it gets Kaby Lake. Chroma keyboard plus 1060 in a sleek package sounds very appealing

 

[giga]

KGI: Macbooks next year will be cheaper and support 32GB ram.

When: 2H17 (probably fall).

 

[Angelus Errare]

KGI: Macbooks next year will be cheaper and support 32GB ram.

When: 2H17 (probably fall).

Dope.

 

[Hatty]

KGI: Macbooks next year will be cheaper and support 32GB ram.

When: 2H17 (probably fall).

Yeah thats the time to buy
Never buy first generation apple products or revisions when they're new, wait for the refinement

 

[KingKong]

KGI: Macbooks next year will be cheaper and support 32GB ram.

When: 2H17 (probably fall).

This is just an analyst speculating based on what Apple has done before. Not that an updated and possibly cheaper laptop is some amazing guess

If you think the 2017 mbp is going to be great, just wait for the 2018 version. Of course the 2019 one will blow them both away

 

[Guess Who]

KGI: Macbooks next year will be cheaper and support 32GB ram.

When: 2H17 (probably fall).

There won't be a 32GB RAM option next year, and here's why: everything this article says about Cannonlake and Coffee Lake is false. Cannonlake (Intel's 10nm architecture) in the second half of 2017 will only come in 15W and 5W variants, not the 28W or 45W variants the Pro uses. Coffee Lake won't be out until 2018. The only thing Apple could put in an MBP next year is Kaby Lake, which also doesn't support LPDDR4 (except, I believe, in the 15W and 5W variants). So Apple's choices for putting RAM in a Kaby Lake MBP are, well, the same choices they have now: either use desktop DDR4 for 32GB or (overclocked to near-DDR4 speeds) LPDDR3, which limits them to 16GB. And they already made that choice.

 

[leng jai]

Is it even realistically possible for MacBooks to increase in price next year?

 

[Mortemis]

There won't be a 32GB RAM option next year, and here's why: everything this article says about Cannonlake and Coffee Lake is false. Cannonlake (Intel's 10nm architecture) in the second half of 2017 will only come in 15W and 5W variants, not the 28W or 45W variants the Pro uses. Coffee Lake won't be out until 2018. The only thing Apple could put in an MBP next year is Kaby Lake, which also doesn't support LPDDR4 (except, I believe, in the 15W and 5W variants). So Apple's choices for putting RAM in a Kaby Lake MBP are, well, the same choices they have now: either use desktop DDR4 for 32GB or (overclocked to near-DDR4 speeds) LPDDR3, which limits them to 16GB. And they already made that choice.

Yeah, I got confused when they brought up Coffee Lake. We barely have kaby lake, and I doubt Cannonlake will be ready for MBPs by next year.

Waiting till 2018 to upgrade my 2014 mbp sounds good to me though, presumably when the cannonlake MacBook pros come.

 

[exmachina64]

Is it even realistically possible for MacBooks to increase in price next year?

Sure.

 

[Fusebox]

why do you need dongles?

just get one of these if you're desperate for connectivity...

Lol wow, so now people who want to hook up their existing devices to a new Macbooks are just 'desperate for connectivity'.

They should just toss out all their incompatible hardware instead! So desperate.

 

[eyeball_kid]

Why do people need to get Applecare?

Because they got rid of MagSafe. No way I'm going to risk a $4000 Mac to someone tripping over my power cable.

 

[The Real Abed]

Why do people need to get Applecare?

I would use the Mac book for a year, then sell it in time for the newer Macbook.

I did that for a while. I had a 2010 MBP I thought I would use for a while, (Even installed an SSD in it) but a year later I decided it was too heavy and too much so I replaced it with a MacBook Air because of its all-flash design and higher resolution. But then a year later I once again replaced it with another Air with more speed and twice the RAM and SSD because I got such low specs the year before. And I figured I'd keep it for a while too, but I felt it was too slow and realized I was constantly upgrading every year spending too much. So I decided with my next machine, which I bought a year after that Air (2013) I was going to make sure I go as high spec as possible. So I got myself the 15" Retina MacBook Pro with the dGPU, a nice 512GB SSD (Which is more than I need) and the 16GB RAM. I ordered it and picked it up at an Apple Store. I'm still using it now. I didn't get AppleCare and I am regretting it because my keyboard is fucked up. I'm using an external BT keyboard on top of the built-in keyboard with the topcase keyboard .kext disabled until I can afford to get it fixed. But I plan on keeping this machine for at least one more year if I can save up the money in time at which point I will decide what to get that suits my needs at the time. I got the top of the line Pro because I wanted to be able to play games and run Windows with games inside it. But my current plan is to get a gaming PC for games and possibly go lower next time. Probably a 256GB SSD, still 16GB RAM, but possibly 13". I won't know until the time comes. So I'm hoping for next years update to work out the kinks. And by then the Touchbar will be completely figured out and everyone will be using it. And hopefully they'll have also figured out the pricing by then too. Because come on, seriously.

Bottom line, from now on I plan for getting at least 3 years out of any machine I buy.

Because they got rid of MagSafe. No way I'm going to risk a $4000 Mac to someone tripping over my power cable.

Yeah. Plus they're making them lighter. Which is worse. Unless the USB-C plug slides out easily, I can see it being a huge problem. Has anyone on YouTube done a "trip over the power cable test" yet? For the 12" MacBook or even the new 13"?

 

[Joel Was Right]

Macs have tended to be absurdly over-priced and underpowered. Apple for the last few years has been charging £160 for 8GB of RAM. The Macbook Air shouldn't even be anywhere near just under 1k. This is the same company that has defined its identity on the notebooks being thin and light, and argue that the iPad has replaced the PC.

What do people expect exactly?

 

[wolf73]

Because they got rid of MagSafe. No way I'm going to risk a $4000 Mac to someone tripping over my power cable.

AppleCare for Macs doesn't cover accidental damages. If you're paranoid about someone tripping over your power cable you could invest in something like this.

 

[eyeball_kid]

AppleCare for Macs doesn't cover accidental damages. If you're paranoid about someone tripping over your power cable you could invest in something like this.

Ah dammit. I forgot it's not like the iOS "AP+" plan. Yeah, there's a Griffin USB-C connector for the one-port MacBook, but it only charges at 60W. Hopefully they do a new one.

Still, considering this is a first-gen redesign, something's going to go wrong.

 

[Coreda]

shit just noticed no light up Apple Logo WTF! >_<

Yeah it started with the Macbooks last year. End of an era. There should be a list of things these laptops have sacrificed in the name of thinness.

 

[Guess Who]

A big glowing logo does strike me as a little ostentatious when you consider how "minimal" Apple's aesthetic has gotten. I'd wager the glowing logo is dead more for design reasons than for engineering ones.

 

[Blackhead]

A big glowing logo does strike me as a little ostentatious when you consider how "minimal" Apple's aesthetic has gotten. I'd wager the glowing logo is dead more for design reasons than for engineering ones.

Eh, if Apple was all about minimal aesthetic they wouldn't have reintroduced the MacBook name label on the front bezel.

Why do people need to get Applecare?

I would use the Mac book for a year, then sell it in time for the newer Macbook.

I did that for a while. I had a 2010 MBP I thought I would use for a while, (Even installed an SSD in it) but a year later I decided it was too heavy and too much so I replaced it with a MacBook Air because of its all-flash design and higher resolution. But then a year later I once again replaced it with another Air with more speed and twice the RAM and SSD because I got such low specs the year before. And I figured I'd keep it for a while too, but I felt it was too slow and realized I was constantly upgrading every year spending too much. So I decided with my next machine, which I bought a year after that Air (2013) I was going to make sure I go as high spec as possible. So I got myself the 15" Retina MacBook Pro with the dGPU, a nice 512GB SSD (Which is more than I need) and the 16GB RAM. I ordered it and picked it up at an Apple Store. I'm still using it now. I didn't get AppleCare and I am regretting it because my keyboard is fucked up. I'm using an external BT keyboard on top of the built-in keyboard with the topcase keyboard .kext disabled until I can afford to get it fixed. But I plan on keeping this machine for at least one more year if I can save up the money in time at which point I will decide what to get that suits my needs at the time. I got the top of the line Pro because I wanted to be able to play games and run Windows with games inside it. But my current plan is to get a gaming PC for games and possibly go lower next time. Probably a 256GB SSD, still 16GB RAM, but possibly 13". I won't know until the time comes. So I'm hoping for next years update to work out the kinks. And by then the Touchbar will be completely figured out and everyone will be using it. And hopefully they'll have also figured out the pricing by then too. Because come on, seriously.

Bottom line, from now on I plan for getting at least 3 years out of any machine I buy

Got to agree with Rocky Raccoon and I don't see how your recent experience lead you to the conclusion to keep the next machine for another 3 years. I mean you're struggling along with a broken keyboard and very low resale value.

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