"Hello Again" Apple holding mac-centric media event October 27th 10am PST

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Wowfunhappy said:
Here's the thing—I really don't care why Apple did it. Neither of those things are anywhere near as important to me as having headphones that I can plug into my desktop, laptop, gaming consoles, and phone without an adapter. It doesn't have to be the 3.55mm jack—I'd be fine with buying USB-C headphones—but it needs to be a port that isn't exclusive to exactly two product lines in the entire world.

Edit: And to get back on topic, the same point applies for laptops. I need a normal keyboard. One of the main things I do on my laptop is TYPE, damnit, and I can't do that on a butterfly keyboard. If that's the price of making laptops so thin, it's not a price I'm willing to pay.
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You can still do that. I don't even notice the included lightening to 3.5mm adaptor if you have it plugged it. It feels like part of your cord.
 
Wowfunhappy said:
Here's the thing—I really don't care why Apple did it. Neither of those things are anywhere near as important to me as having headphones that I can plug into my desktop, laptop, gaming consoles, and phone without an adapter. It doesn't have to be the 3.55mm jack—I'd be fine with buying USB-C headphones—but it needs to be a port that isn't exclusive to exactly two product lines in the entire world.
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An adapter seems like a pretty odd dealbreaker, though. You can still have your normal headphones , and the only difference is there's an extra few centimeters at the end.

I understand the sentiment of "Apple shouldn't get rid of the port until the tech/alternatives are more mature!" but if you don't remove the port then the alternatives will never proliferate. We'd still be waiting to remove the goddamn VGA port off our laptops if you followed that tack.
 
Pixels said:
When do we think the next refresh will be? Tempted to wait...
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lol not anytime soon bro

The PC market is only getting smaller. Apple isn't going to do refresh anytime soon. Mac users are not willing to upgrade as much as their iPhone or iPad users does. So no matter what they say on stage about how important Mac is for the company. Because it barely makes it on their quarterly result.

I would expect internal refresh in 2 years and hardware refresh in 4-5 years.
 
Deku Tree said:
You can still do that. I don't even notice the included lightening to 3.5mm adaptor if you have it plugged it. It feels like part of your cord.
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I do. Snagged the headphone cable and the phone went flying out of my pocket. Phone smashed on the pavement, £120 repair.
 
I've got a 2011 Macbook Air right now that I've been dying to upgrade. Mainly use my computer for web development and general stuff like web browsing, managing music (Spotify) and photos (Google Photos), etc. Trying to decide between this refurb of the 2015 MBP for $1189 or the base 13" 2016 MBP with the Touch Bar.

I'm probably most excited about better battery life, a retina screen, and faster ports (I don't even have USB 3.0 right now). If the Macbook had 2-3 ports, or if Apple was still supporting the Air and added a retina screen, I'd probably jump on one of those instead of a Pro.

As a 1Password user, Touch ID would be super convenient if I go with the new model. I'm just not sure if it's worth the extra $600+ for that, the slightly smaller/slimmer size, and the spec bump that I might not even really take advantage of. I'd be particularly excited about TB3 and USB-C if there were 4K monitors available that could provide power and display in the single cable and act as a hub, but aren't $1200 or w/e the 5K option from LG is. I have a Dell 4K monitor at work that I plan on buying for myself to use at home as well and it's only like $480, but it doesn't have those features.

If I go with the refurb, I'll probably plan to upgrade in the next 2 years, assuming prices drop a bit and specs continue to improve modestly. If I buy the 2016 revision, I'll probably keep it another 3-5 years.

Thoughts? Anything I'm not thinking of? I only recently started working for a company that provided me with a laptop, and if I had to use my personal computer for work as well like I used to, I'd most likely be leaning towards the new model. However, since I already have a 2015 15" MBP for work, I'm currently leaning towards the refurb for personal use.
 
Fuchsdh said:
An adapter seems like a pretty odd dealbreaker, though. You can still have your normal headphones , and the only difference is there's an extra few centimeters at the end.
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Deku Tree said:
You can still do that. I don't even notice the included lightening to 3.5mm adaptor if you have it plugged it. It feels like part of your cord.
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And what am I supposed to do when I want to plug my headphones into something other than my iPhone? I have a personal desktop and laptop, a work iMac, and a 3DS & Wii U.

To use my headphones with any of them, I would have to unplug the adaptor. Which means I would forget to plug it back in, and it would get lost, or left at home/work/elsewhere, etc. It's an extra thing I'd have to keep track of, and I would never have it when I needed it most.

If someone could come up with a legitimate solution to this problem, I would be all for it, but a separate and easy-to-loose adapter is completely unworkable for me.

I wouldn't be opposed to Bluetooth either, but I need to be able to easily switch between devices—including ones not made by Apple. Even on my Macbook, I use bootcamp from time to time.
 
I need a little help with the new Mac
where is the corner features

you know how you set up screen corner features so if I scroll to a corner of the screen it plays the screensaver or shows all windows?

I miss being able to switch windows by clicking the one I want on top when browsing I guess I will just press F3 if that feature is gone just wanted to ask here if it is hidden away
 
Smiles and Cries said:
I need a little help with the new Mac
where is the corner features

you know how you set up screen corner features so if I scroll to a corner of the screen it plays the screensaver or shows all windows?

I miss being able to switch windows by clicking the one I want on top when browsing I guess I will just press F3 if that feature is gone just wanted to ask here if it is hidden away
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You can set a shortcut so your screen saver also starts when you move the pointer to a corner of the screen.

Choose Apple menu > System Preferences, click Desktop & Screen Saver, then click Screen Saver.

Click Hot Corners.

Click the pop-up menu for the corner you want to use, choose Start Screen Saver, then click OK.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
I need a little help with the new Mac
where is the corner features

you know how you set up screen corner features so if I scroll to a corner of the screen it plays the screensaver or shows all windows?

I miss being able to switch windows by clicking the one I want on top when browsing I guess I will just press F3 if that feature is gone just wanted to ask here if it is hidden away
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Pretty sure you mean hot corners.

Unless something has changed since El Capitan, go to Settings -> Desktop and Screen Saver. Hot Corners button is near the bottom right.

Edit: Beaten.
 
404Ender said:
I've got a 2011 Macbook Air right now that I've been dying to upgrade. Mainly use my computer for web development and general stuff like web browsing, managing music (Spotify) and photos (Google Photos), etc. Trying to decide between this refurb of the 2015 MBP for $1189 or the base 13" 2016 MBP with the Touch Bar.

I'm probably most excited about better battery life, a retina screen, and faster ports (I don't even have USB 3.0 right now). If the Macbook had 2-3 ports, or if Apple was still supporting the Air and added a retina screen, I'd probably jump on one of those instead of a Pro.

As a 1Password user, Touch ID would be super convenient if I go with the new model. I'm just not sure if it's worth the extra $600+ for that, the slightly smaller/slimmer size, and the spec bump that I might not even really take advantage of. I'd be particularly excited about TB3 and USB-C if there were 4K monitors available that could provide power and display in the single cable and act as a hub, but aren't $1200 or w/e the 5K option from LG is. I have a Dell 4K monitor at work that I plan on buying for myself to use at home as well and it's only like $480, but it doesn't have those features.

If I go with the refurb, I'll probably plan to upgrade in the next 2 years, assuming prices drop a bit and specs continue to improve modestly. If I buy the 2016 revision, I'll probably keep it another 3-5 years.

Thoughts? Anything I'm not thinking of? I only recently started working for a company that provided me with a laptop, and if I had to use my personal computer for work as well like I used to, I'd most likely be leaning towards the new model. However, since I already have a 2015 15" MBP for work, I'm currently leaning towards the refurb for personal use.
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Refurb 2015 MBP. I have a late 2013 15" MBP and it's serving me quite well. Doesn't feel sluggish or outdated in any way. In addition to getting the refurb 2015 MBP, I would also use the savings and get AppleCare on it just in case anything fails and wait a few more years for the usb-c/TB3 transition to be largely over - that's what I'm doing (with other reasoning).
 
formasymphonic said:
You can set a shortcut so your screen saver also starts when you move the pointer to a corner of the screen.

Choose Apple menu > System Preferences, click Desktop & Screen Saver, then click Screen Saver.

Click Hot Corners.

Click the pop-up menu for the corner you want to use, choose Start Screen Saver, then click OK.
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Wowfunhappy said:
Pretty sure you mean hot corners.

Unless something has changed since El Capitan, go to Settings -> Desktop and Screen Saver. Hot Corners button is near the bottom right.

Edit: Beaten.
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yeah hot corners I just want a corner to show all windows like F3 don't really care about screen saver thank you both I'll check

edit: ah yisss feels like home now :)
 
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404Ender said:
I've got a 2011 Macbook Air right now that I've been dying to upgrade. Mainly use my computer for web development and general stuff like web browsing, managing music (Spotify) and photos (Google Photos), etc. Trying to decide between this refurb of the 2015 MBP for $1189 or the base 13" 2016 MBP with the Touch Bar.

I'm probably most excited about better battery life, a retina screen, and faster ports (I don't even have USB 3.0 right now). If the Macbook had 2-3 ports, or if Apple was still supporting the Air and added a retina screen, I'd probably jump on one of those instead of a Pro.

As a 1Password user, Touch ID would be super convenient if I go with the new model. I'm just not sure if it's worth the extra $600+ for that, the slightly smaller/slimmer size, and the spec bump that I might not even really take advantage of. I'd be particularly excited about TB3 and USB-C if there were 4K monitors available that could provide power and display in the single cable and act as a hub, but aren't $1200 or w/e the 5K option from LG is. I have a Dell 4K monitor at work that I plan on buying for myself to use at home as well and it's only like $480, but it doesn't have those features.

If I go with the refurb, I'll probably plan to upgrade in the next 2 years, assuming prices drop a bit and specs continue to improve modestly. If I buy the 2016 revision, I'll probably keep it another 3-5 years.

Thoughts? Anything I'm not thinking of? I only recently started working for a company that provided me with a laptop, and if I had to use my personal computer for work as well like I used to, I'd most likely be leaning towards the new model. However, since I already have a 2015 15" MBP for work, I'm currently leaning towards the refurb for personal use.
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Refurb. Just load up on ram and storage.

Pixels said:
When do we think the next refresh will be? Tempted to wait...
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Fall 2017.
 
RDreamer said:
I realize the unexpected happens, but if you're really planning things out that shouldn't happen as much. Apple took out the headphone jack in the phone and pointed to headphones like these as the future and the headphone jack itself as the past. Now we're living in a world where those future headphones are still in the future and their macbook can't plug into their own phone. They didn't choose the same port to go with on their own devices and it all seems like poor planning. It would have been a world of difference if the iPhone had USB-C and their future headphones were readily available right away, in my opinion.
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I know that people like to throw around the Steve Jobs condemnation, but I feel like this is a clear example of Tim Cook vs. Steve Jobs.

Jobs was a micro-manager who had his fingers in the pie of every project team in the building. He acted as the manager of the project managers, so to speak. Cook is fine sitting back and believing in his teams to accomplish their tasks. Unfortunately, what they have going on is a silo situation where team A doesn't know what team B is doing or how team C's project might affect both teams A and B because they're housed in entirely different verticals (mobile, Mac hardware, iOS, OS X, etc).

That's why you have a brand new iPhone and headphones that won't connect to the brand new MacBooks without an adapter. It's a detail Jobs would've caught, because he was down in the weeds in a way Cook probably never will be.
 
I have always wondered - has anyone done comprehensive tests of how different i7 CPUs behave in MBPs? With my 2012 MBPr, I opted to get a lowest CPU option available at the time (2.3GHz) because I didn't want to spend more, but also because I was thinking that in a such a slim case, higher speed CPU would inevitably produce more heat and probably also shorten battery life.

Is this actually true? Or are the lower speed CPUs somehow gimped to be slower but still use the same power draw? I have to say, that in this laptop with 2.3 CPU, the fans already go to a hairdryer mode every time I have to transcode the video, play almost any game, or do anything remotely CPU intensive for longer periods of time. Case also heats up a lot in the area around F1 / F2 keys when under load. It would be pretty bad if it gets even worse than that with a faster CPU, but is that actually the case at all?
 
giga said:
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Refurb. Just load up on ram and storage.



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I've been just fine with 128 GB of storage and 4 GB of RAM with my MBA. Does 16 GB of RAM really help me much over 8? Again, I'm not gaming or doing heavy photo or video editing.

Also, how's the battery life on the 2015 models?
 
Fuchsdh said:
Interesting to see another variation on the PCIe SSD module. Guess it was expecting too much that they'd go with m.2... is the 5GBps speed more than that spec allows?
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Nah. M.2 can do NVMe on PCI-E(x4) as well. Samsung's 960 Pro should be releasing shortly (don't look up price, you'll cry) it actually has faster sequential read/write speeds (3.5/3.0Gbps to 15" Macbook Pro 3.1/2.2Gbps read/write respectively).

Gotta remember Apple uses their own inhouse custom controller.
 
404Ender said:
As a 1Password user, Touch ID would be super convenient if I go with the new model. I'm just not sure if it's worth the extra $600+ for that, the slightly smaller/slimmer size, and the spec bump that I might not even really take advantage of. I'd be particularly excited about TB3 and USB-C if there were 4K monitors available that could provide power and display in the single cable and act as a hub, but aren't $1200 or w/e the 5K option from LG is. I have a Dell 4K monitor at work that I plan on buying for myself to use at home as well and it's only like $480, but it doesn't have those features.
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The LG 4K provides 60W power and 3 downstream ports and it is $700.
 
404Ender said:
I've been just fine with 128 GB or storage and 4 GB of RAM with my MBA. Does 16 GB of RAM really help me much over 8? Again, I'm not gaming or doing heavy photo or video editing.

Also, how's the battery life on the 2015 models?
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Hm 8 might suit you fine then, especially if you're only keeping it a few years.
 
Pixels said:
When do we think the next refresh will be? Tempted to wait...
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Doubt we'll see anything before September.

There's a slim chance of July or August, if Apple wants some last-minute back-to-school purchases. It'll just be Kaby Lake, and a slight price adjustment.
 
Darryl M R said:
So rumor is the airpods won't be out until January. Geez something must have went wrong big time. I wanted to get them.
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Yikes. This is really scary for me as an owner of Beats Solo 3's. I hope it's an AirPod specific issue causing the delay and nothing wrong with the W1 chip.
 
I had my doubts about the direction Apple is going, but after thinking a little more, I'm getting back on board.

I've been on a Macbook Air 2011 that's on its last legs, but I didn't want to replace it with a retina Macbook, despite the appealingly small size, because it can't properly run an external 4k monitor, which I definitely want to upgrade to within the next 5-7 years (my expected lifetime for the machine). On the other hand, the old 13-inch Macbook Pro would have felt like a downgrade in portability due to its increased weight (I bike everywhere).

In short, for me, the new Macbook Pro a landmark achievement, because it is the first Pro that can replace an Air without feeling like a step down in size and weight.
 
this quote is really sad:

Then, the site dove into the logic board to hunt for the "advanced thermal architecture" described in the MacBook's press release. The board appeared mostly the same as previous MacBooks, with Apple's new architecture apparently describing the "relocation of the heat sink screws to the backside of the logic board."
 
Being new to Macs, what is the best virtualization software for loading up Windows: Boot Camp, Parallels, or VM Fusion? Some of the benchmarks I seen are a year old but they mainly suggest Boot Camp would have the best performance. If I want to run MacOS and Windows side-by-side, then VM Fusion would be the better option. Awhile ago I read something about you'd have worst performance installing Windows through Boot Camp and using VM Fusion/Parallels from that existing installation versus installing Windows fresh with VM Fusion/Parallels--I don't know how true any of that is.
 
Hellix said:
Being new to Macs, what is the best virtualization software for loading up Windows: Boot Camp, Parallels, or VM Fusion? Some of the benchmarks I seen are a year old but they mainly suggest Boot Camp would have the best performance. If I want to run MacOS and Windows side-by-side, then VM Fusion would be the better option.
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Boot camp is not virtualization
 
Hellix said:
Yeah, I know, let me rephrase that--what is the best route to go if I want to run Windows?
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Depends on what you're doing. If it's just basic programs, sometimes virtualization like Parallels is great since you don't have to reboot into an OS, it can run alongside your Mac stuff. If it's games or anything very resource intensive boot camp it, you don't want the performance hit

On a side note, I'm trying to convince my girlfriend to get either the MacBook 1 or the base Pro instead of a 13" 2016 Air. It's an uphill battle
 
Zeyphersan said:
Depends on what you're doing. If it's just basic programs, sometimes virtualization like Parallels is great since you don't have to reboot into an OS, it can run alongside your Mac stuff. If it's games or anything very resource intensive boot camp it, you don't want the performance hit

On a side note, I'm trying to convince my girlfriend to get either the MacBook 1 or the base Pro instead of a 13" 2016 Air. It's an uphill battle
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The base 13" Pro 2016 weighs the same as a MacBook Air with better everything.
 
Welp, just pulled the trigger on that 2015 refurb. Feeling pretty good about it! This should hold me over at least another year if the next re-up looks good and the USB-C peripheral market has matured a bunch, or another 2-3 years if needed.

Still have 14 days to change my mind too.
 
Zeyphersan said:
Depends on what you're doing. If it's just basic programs, sometimes virtualization like Parallels is great since you don't have to reboot into an OS, it can run alongside your Mac stuff. If it's games or anything very resource intensive boot camp it, you don't want the performance hit

On a side note, I'm trying to convince my girlfriend to get either the MacBook 1 or the base Pro instead of a 13" 2016 Air. It's an uphill battle
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take her to store and show her the screens. thats what did it for my mom.
 
Hellix said:
Yeah, I know, let me rephrase that--what is the best route to go if I want to run Windows?
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Parallels is the best application for virtualization, in my experience, but their business model of yearly upgrades is kind of garbage. VMWare Fusion is a dead app walking, as I understand it. The whole development team got laid off earlier this year. Boot Camp is the "best" way to run Windows, since it's totally native, but of course you can't run macOS and Windows side by side that way.

Zeyphersan said:
Trust me, I know. But convincing her to go with a $1499 model instead of a $1019 refurb 2016 Air when she truly doesn't care about the screen is difficult
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Refurb 12" MBs can be had for similar prices these days, if money is her main concern. I've seen quite a few 2016 models popping up at Apple.com as of late.
 
Guess Who said:
Parallels is the best application for virtualization, in my experience, but their business model of yearly upgrades is kind of garbage. VMWare Fusion is a dead app walking, as I understand it. The whole development team got laid off earlier this year. Boot Camp is the "best" way to run Windows, since it's totally native, but of course you can't run macOS and Windows side by side that way.
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The yearly subscription is what bothers me with Parallels, but I didn't know about that situation with VMWare.
 
Guess Who said:
Refurb 12" MBs can be had for similar prices these days, if money is her main concern. I've seen quite a few 2016 models popping up at Apple.com as of late.
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Yeah, I've been keeping my eye out for base '16 rMB refurbs. They have a couple now but they're heavily upgraded
 
Am I the only one who's concerned about the thermal situation? Especially on the 15 inch model.
I've heard that past models had serious problems with overheating which they finally solved by finally adding air intakes to the underside of the Retina models (which can still get pretty darn hot to the touch, especially when running Windows, which is something I really wish they'd try to solve), but now it seems they've gone ahead and gotten rid of them again. Is the new hardware that much more energy efficient?
 
jstripes said:
Doubt we'll see anything before September.

There's a slim chance of July or August, if Apple wants some last-minute back-to-school purchases. It'll just be Kaby Lake, and a slight price adjustment.
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Yeah they refreshed the rMBP's at a quicker cadence at first, but then again it didn't really drop prices or simplify the line for two revisions, so people might be getting their hopes up. Certainly the USB-C market will be more mature X months from now, though.
 
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