Zeyphersan
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Looks and sounds great. Not like $2000 great but great
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"Hello Again" Apple holding mac-centric media event October 27th 10am PST
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Looks and sounds great. Not like $2000 great but great
eyeball_kid
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That's like some Popular Mechanics concept art from 1986 on how computers will look in 2016.
I'm sure someone will come out with a dongle soon enough. Like, usb type-c is perfectly capable of carrying digital audio through alternate mode.
You could maybe get by with an spdif to hdmi converter and then use a typec-to-hdmi cable to connect to that, but I imagine that's probably crappy in some way.
Welp.
Using USB-3 at the same time as WiFi is broken on the new MBP!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYVjIjBMx6o
Apparently they are using inadequate shielding to protect WiFi signal from USB-3 noise.
It doesn't happen with all USB devices.
Using USB-3 at the same time as WiFi is broken on the new MBP!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYVjIjBMx6o
Apparently they are using inadequate shielding to protect WiFi signal from USB-3 noise.
It doesn't happen with all USB devices.
Better performance and slimmer design seem likebthings some people would care about....
Rocky Raccoon
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OK I don't have 80 minutes. What time does he get to the WiFi issue?
It starts about 5 minutes in to about 7mins. And he brings in another laptop to show that he isn't pulling tricks and plugs in the same devices, etc. into a different laptop that works fine.
What the fuck? That's kind of huge. Like... a major deal killer.
Mr. Wonderful
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Wonder if the other models will be any better due to different logic board layouts? Also, while I know USB 3 and WiFi interference is a known thing (seriously, what was the USB group thinking?), how does he isolate this down to a shielding issue and not a firmware glitch? Also, shouldn't some ports be better than others due to location?
shit like this is precisely why I'm waiting for a few revisions
Sorry I should edit my post. I don't have time to sit through that 80 minute video either. I picked this up from somewhere else and they mentioned USB shielding. It could very well be a driver bug maybe? Although USB WiFi interference is a known and documented thing by Intel.
Mr. Wonderful
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To clarify: On 2.4GHz networks.
I guess I must be the only one who doesn't like the force touch trackpads with all the reviews still praising it.
Maybe I'd grow accustomed to it if I was using it every day instead of just for a few hours here and there at work when debugging stuff, it just feels so damn weird.
Maybe I'd grow accustomed to it if I was using it every day instead of just for a few hours here and there at work when debugging stuff, it just feels so damn weird.
I'm heading to pickup the 2016 non touch MBP I bought for the wife and I as our casual web surfing/video watching/take on trips laptop. The battery life really makes it ideal to use on the couch while watching TV. Ended up sticking with the i5 but upgraded to 16/512. Ideally this at least lasts thru the 3 years of AppleCare and maybe a year or two over that. First She's ever had and first I've had since the late 90s (pre OSX days). Should be fun.
I still have a gaming laptop (super outdated now) that I will likely upgrade next year. I'm sure for now the MBP is actually a better gaming machine even without a dedicated AMD card.
I still have a gaming laptop (super outdated now) that I will likely upgrade next year. I'm sure for now the MBP is actually a better gaming machine even without a dedicated AMD card.
Zombie James
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Unbelievable.
It was fine later in the video when someone had him plug in the power (around 41:30). Even after removing the power the wi-fi was still working on both ports.
Bruce Springsteen
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eyeball_kid
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Hm. Seems like it's certain cables that aren't properly shielded, but it's no excuse when he tried with a Dell and the wifi didn't drop out.
The worst part to me is the keyboard sound. At 13:56 he shows the difference between the old MBP and the new keyboard. It's almost comically loud! What were they thinking? In a classroom or open-plan office this is going to be hell. I'm actually starting to consider canceling my pre-order.
jts
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I mean, I’m not saying it’s a selling point or anything. But it’s one of those immediately visual details that people will use to make a quick association with what’s old and stinky and what’s shiny and new.
This look came all the way from the PowerBook G4:
It’s white on silver, which is a bit dull but sure it was great at the time and became a classic.
But frankly this just looks a lot sharper:
eyeball_kid
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So is no one else bothered by that keyboard sound? Anyone with the MacBook One, how do you find the loudness?
If you have the money to buy it with no issue, more power to you. But that seems like a lot of hardware for a web surfing/video watching laptop.
Zombie James
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Looks like optical out is another feature that got the axe: http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...rops-optical-audio-out-through-headphone-jack
badcrumble
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I thought optical out via the headphone jack was quietly cut ages ago. Was it the iPods I was thinking of?
She wanted a mac since we basically have Apple everything else. I didn't like what I read about the MacBook so I went with the new MBP. I'll likely do some gaming and other stuff that actually runs on it since it's so portable. Plus I'm enjoying OSX so far.
entremet
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I don't see optical out anywhere in my 2015 MBP.
Zeyphersan
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I think it's built into the headphone jack
Same here, if someone had asked me if the MacBook Pro comes with mini Toslink, I would have told them Apple dropped it years ago. For some reason I stopped using it once I got my Unibody MacBook in 2008.
entremet
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Interesting.
Could we move discussion to the Mac [OT] thread or create a new thread now that some of the laptops are shipping?
Rocky Raccoon
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The Touchbar models are shipping?!
No but Macbook escape doesn't count?
Mr. Wonderful
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My search for USB 3.1 to NVMe enclosures search was basically fruitless outside of this:
https://www.akitio.com/expansion/thunder3-pcie-box
This thing is sexy.
If it had more dock-like functionality included, like a standard USB, Ethernet, and HDMI port, Id be all over it.
Basically have your thin and light laptop with a decent CPU, then dock to this, with a GPU inside. Bam. Workstation powerhouse.
Soon. Someone will do it. Probably in the next year or so.
It would be nice if it had two PCIe slots so you could do one GPU, one NVMe SSD, but Thunderbolt bandwidth isnt quite there yet.
https://www.akitio.com/expansion/thunder3-pcie-box
This thing is sexy.
If it had more dock-like functionality included, like a standard USB, Ethernet, and HDMI port, Id be all over it.
Basically have your thin and light laptop with a decent CPU, then dock to this, with a GPU inside. Bam. Workstation powerhouse.
Soon. Someone will do it. Probably in the next year or so.
It would be nice if it had two PCIe slots so you could do one GPU, one NVMe SSD, but Thunderbolt bandwidth isnt quite there yet.
Wow. This is a fucking joke
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/03/new-macbook-pros-thunderbolt-3-compatibility/
http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/03/new-macbook-pros-thunderbolt-3-compatibility/
345triangle
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sound is the last of my issues with that keyboard. it's utterly horrible to type on but reasonably discreet.
full disclosure though, 90% of the time i use my macbook on a stand hooked up to a mechanical keyboard with ultra-clicky blue switches because i can hardly bear to touch the laptop itself, so.
-Pyromaniac-
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Lisa from mobile tech review has a comparison video up with the HP spectre 360 vs the base mbp. It's interesting that they bench mark very closely when one is i5 skylake and the other is i7 kaby lake.
The base touchbar version will likely outperform it as it's a 28 watt cpu. Something a lot of people don't consider when comparing specs to XPS 13s/spectre/etc...a lot of them use 15 watt cpus which either don't perform much better at all or worse.
The base touchbar version will likely outperform it as it's a 28 watt cpu. Something a lot of people don't consider when comparing specs to XPS 13s/spectre/etc...a lot of them use 15 watt cpus which either don't perform much better at all or worse.
not too fussed, would rather have the latest tech in the machine. Accessory makers will catch up quickly to get in the market early.
eyeball_kid
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Well, the joke is that there's a 2nd generation of TB3 and yet the name is the same. It's not really Apple's fault, they're supporting the latest rev. But it's going to lead to a ton of confusion as people buy hubs and docks.
edit: yeah actually this seems to be an issue with TI chipsets specifically, not Thunderbolt 3 spec
Of course MacRumors goes for the clickbait headline suggesting that it's an Apple issue, instead of, "Some Early TB3 Devices Don't Properly Support The Spec"
Uhhhh i don't think this is Apple's fault, maybe Texas Instruments made some janky ass TB3 controllers and Apple decided to rule them out for the safety of people.
Lord Error
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Christ, that keyboard is really loud... I think my MBA keyboard is kind of loud enough in the dead of the night when the surroundings are perfectly silent, but this seems really obnoxious.
Also, the whole USB3 + WiFi thing is seriously disconcerting.
Another thing I read somewhere the other day - the trackpad clicking sound cannot be disabled on new MBPs. This was possible to disable on prior models.
Also, the whole USB3 + WiFi thing is seriously disconcerting.
Another thing I read somewhere the other day - the trackpad clicking sound cannot be disabled on new MBPs. This was possible to disable on prior models.
Junior Mint
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According to macrumors, the three finger drag also seems to be glitchy
I use this a lot
I use this a lot
Lord Error
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*edit* can you show where you found that?
I use that non stop for switching between full screen panes, as well as scrolling stuff to top and bottom :\
Man I really hope the 15" model won't have these shitty problems. I can't keep using my 2012 MBP forever.
eyeball_kid
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Yeah, I'm really thinking about canceling. I do really want to try that Touch Bar, but not at the expense of so many issues. I guess I'd have to go with a 2015 MBP, there's really nothing else that meets my needs.
Mr. Wonderful
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It's a new model. Most of this stuff will be fixed in a couple of OS X and firmware updates.
Zombie James
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Finally got some time to watch this whole thing and the issues go far beyond wifi choking when a USB device gets plugged in. Keyboard noise, video out flickering, pointer lag... holy shit. And no reviews mention any of this?
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