Its a 3rd party dongle from china. If it's the cable that begs the question why this exact same cable works fine with wi-fi for the 12" retina.
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Its a 3rd party dongle from china. If it's the cable that begs the question why this exact same cable works fine with wi-fi for the 12" retina.
eyeball_kid
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This is a known issue with USB-C cables, and affects other PCs. There's even an Intel whitepaper on it. If cables don't have proper shielding, they can emit RF interference (in excess of what the FCC allows) on the 2.4Ghz band which interrupt WiFi. It depends on the proximity of the cable to components in the particular laptop as to how much interference it will cause.
TL;DR don't buy cheap USB-C cables and dongles.
holygeesus
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I've had both the MBA and MacBook Pro and the difference in form factor isn't enough for me to sacrifice the retina screen. When you place them on top of each other, there isn't really a lot of difference IMO. Although, I do find the position of the trackpad more ergonomically suited on the MBA and the keyboard is better (again IMO) although I do like the force feedback touchpad on the Pro.
So yeah, swings and roundabouts
eyeball_kid
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My 15" MBP order status is now Preparing for Shipment....
Automatisch
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As far as we know they killed it, so you have to pick something else.
opticalmace
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I just wish they had updated the Air's display. If they put a 1080p IPS display in there I would be 100% satisfied.
Barkley's Justice
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I think it's higher than 1080, no?
Zeyphersan
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Think of the base 13" as the retina MBA everyone wanted. Same CPU, same weight, wayyyy better screen
Crazymoogle
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He's talking about the Air.
opticalmace
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I see. I'm on a late 2013 13" rMBP which I like a lot, but I sort of always coveted the Airs. The battery life and whatnot.
Sorry, I meant the old MBA.
It's real and it's spectacular.
Both the 13" MBA and 13" MBP look big next to it, but in different ways. It's thinner than the MBP of course, but it's also thinner than the thick end of the MBA. Footprint is also much smaller. You can see how much more the MBA juts out thanks to its huge bezels.
The metal hinge is also a nice upgrade. While it's all metal now, if you look closely from the inside, you can see that there's still some plastic where the wireless connectivity is housed. But it's much smaller, very well hidden, and no longer constitutes the entire hinge now.
Keyboard is definitely a big change and will take some time to get used to it, but I haven't noticed myself typing any slower with it. It's just as responsive (if not more), it just feels very, very different without as much travel.
Good upgrade if you're a MBA user, but I only got it because it was $1200. Wouldn't get it at $1500. If you want something closer to the $1k mark, get a refurb.
I've had the Magic Mouse 2 for a few days and I just can't get used to it. The profile is so low that you have to either fingertip grip or lift your hand to do any gestures and its not comfortable at all
too bad because I like the idea, I guess I'll return it and pick up the Logitech Mx Master
too bad because I like the idea, I guess I'll return it and pick up the Logitech Mx Master
eyeball_kid
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Keyboard is definitely a big change and will take some time to get used to it, but I haven't noticed myself typing any slower with it. It's just as responsive (if not more), it just feels very, very different without as much travel.
That keyboard is giving me a bit of anxiety just looking at it. I'm concerned I'm not going to take to it, or it will cause RSI issues from the lack of key travel. I guess I'll find out soon enough. At least I can return it if I hate it, but I don't have many options for a new pro machine besides this.
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Yep, my BTO 15" Pro I ordered right as soon as the store came back up, has shipped with a scheduled delivery of Monday (i'm in Los Angeles)
Joel Was Right
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The keyboard is NOPE.
My fingers and palms strangely felt tired. Perhaps it's because of the lack of travel that i'm so familiar with? It felt like holding my fingers out wide in a holding position, and just brushing them on the keys.
My fingers and palms strangely felt tired. Perhaps it's because of the lack of travel that i'm so familiar with? It felt like holding my fingers out wide in a holding position, and just brushing them on the keys.
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I think the keyboard is good. I got used to it 10 mins playing in the store. But I was never picky about that stuff. Will be using external wireless keyboard most of the time.
It's definitely something you can't make an impression on without regular sustained use. It's really different from other keyboards. Akin to blackberry people never wanting to switch to touch screen keyboards because they like the tactile feel. I think all/most will be like this in the future and I think it's fine mostly. It's definitely strange at first.
It's definitely something you can't make an impression on without regular sustained use. It's really different from other keyboards. Akin to blackberry people never wanting to switch to touch screen keyboards because they like the tactile feel. I think all/most will be like this in the future and I think it's fine mostly. It's definitely strange at first.
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I don't think that's normal? You should go to the apple store for that.
Very snug. I'd say almost too snug.
Zeyphersan
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Chatted online support, because I'm shipping to a store I can't pay for expidited shipping. Guess I am waiting until Dec 5
eyeball_kid
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So my MBP 15" w/ Touch Bar is supposed to be delivered tomorrow(!) and I don't have all my cables and accessories yet. In particular I need to get an external drive to act as a Time Machine. I looked at some TB3 multi-drive enclosures by Akitio, but apparently they are Windows-only?? I mistakenly thought Thunderbolt was Mac-only. I had no idea that PCs had them and that the standard was not platform-agnostic. This sucks!! Not only is USB-C a minefield, but so are TB3 accessories.
Does anyone have a suggestion for a good, reliable external drive solution? 1TB or higher, needs to be quiet. This is for Time Machine, so doesn't need to be blazing speed. I looked at OWC's TB2 solutions, but they're not cheap. How are those TB2 LaCie d2 drives? I like the fact that it's fanless.
Does anyone have a suggestion for a good, reliable external drive solution? 1TB or higher, needs to be quiet. This is for Time Machine, so doesn't need to be blazing speed. I looked at OWC's TB2 solutions, but they're not cheap. How are those TB2 LaCie d2 drives? I like the fact that it's fanless.
Zeyphersan
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TB3 is platform agnostic, it's just no Mac has had TB3 until now. I don't see why an enclosure wouldn't work?
Also can you not just get a regular cheap external drive and plug it in through a USB-A to USB-C converter? Monoprice has them for $7, Apple's is $9
eyeball_kid
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Yeah, an enclosure is an option, but many of them are quite loud. I sometimes do recording in the same space, so that's why the fanless LaCie is attractive.
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Yeah if you don't need blazing speed I don't see why you need TB2 or TB3. TB is professional-grade I/O akin to Firewire. USB is cheaper and SS USB is plenty fast for most consumer usecases, including backing up. BTW you will need an adapter or a TB2-TB3 cable extra if you get a TB2 device.
Like Zeyphersan said, get a regular USB external and either swap the cable for a USB-C one or use an adapter. Maybe you can find an external hard drive with USB-C out of the box, but the options are probably limited ATM. If the noise of a 2.5" HDD is too much (shouldn't be), you can swap it out for an SSD or just buy an 3.0 USB enclosure+SSD. I don't know of SATA single disc enclosures with a fan.
Like Zeyphersan said, get a regular USB external and either swap the cable for a USB-C one or use an adapter. Maybe you can find an external hard drive with USB-C out of the box, but the options are probably limited ATM. If the noise of a 2.5" HDD is too much (shouldn't be), you can swap it out for an SSD or just buy an 3.0 USB enclosure+SSD. I don't know of SATA single disc enclosures with a fan.
eyeball_kid
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I want TB2 so I can daisy-chain. I'm aware of the performance bottleneck at the drive level compared with TB, but it's still better than USB3... just because it's probably only for Time Machine doesn't mean I don't want fast backups.
Yeah, I can't really afford 1+TB SSD right now after dropping a few thousand on the MBP, otherwise I would.
Mr. Wonderful
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Grab a m.2 to USB 3 enclosure now, and then upgrade the enclosure to TB3 later.
Verge Touchbar Macbook review:
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/14/...-touch-bar-review-2016-13-inch-15-inch-laptop
https://youtu.be/T-59XHKt9xU
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/14/...-touch-bar-review-2016-13-inch-15-inch-laptop
https://youtu.be/T-59XHKt9xU
The only Apple mouse I ever enjoyed using was the Mighty Mouse (the one with the scroll ball and squeezable sides) and even then I ended up canning it for an Intellimouse Explorer v3.
For all their faults, the one thing Apple is consistently, genuinely shit at is mice. I just don't know why they bother.
Spiral Insanity
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Did anyone opt for the upgraded graphics card? (4gb) I figured why not since it was just an extra $100, and I want to drive two external 5k screens with it at some point.
Leona Lewis
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What. The. Fuck. Apple.The Verge said:
Ars' review tells a different story. Not sure what happened with their test.
Leona Lewis
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Interesting.
Still majorly disappointed with the battery life, though. Why on earth would Apple use a lower capacity battery on the Touch Bar model?
Rocky Raccoon
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I thought the cost is $180 more with education discount.
That's incredibly disappointing.
28W demands greater thermal cooling and thus space. The teardowns should reveal that.
If this pans out I will return my 13 inch. I need it to get at least 10 hours.
There's something rather weird going on with Ars' battery test:
How can the 28W CPU version have a higher battery life under load than the 15W (1499$) one?
It does seem to be correct for the light use case.
Rocky Raccoon
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Arstechnica's review rated the battery to be higher
http://arstechnica.co.uk/apple/2016/11/macbook-pro-touch-bar-13-15-inch-touch-bar-review/
Everyone I've talked to says you get used to it. My second run-through on the rMB's keys with a typing program I was hitting my usual 70-80WPM with 1 or fewer mistakes.
When it comes to keyboards, I'll always prefer my Das Keyboard with it's delightful clacky traveling keys, but if I can pound something out with accuracy and at speed it ultimately doesn't matter for me.
Spiral Insanity
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I got the fastest configuration so perhaps the cost difference is smaller. It was a $100 price difference for me in the US.
5 hours battery life seems unacceptable? Hm.. mine won't ship until end of December so I will keep an eye out on the real life tests.
Zombie James
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Which is exactly why the Touch Bar makes zero sense on a $2500 pro laptop. This is grandma-level usefulness.
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