You're asking why someone would want more screen resolution? Isn't it self-evident?
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You're asking why someone would want more screen resolution? Isn't it self-evident?
Angelus Errare
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You can't put a price on the courage you showed buying their overpriced items. XD
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Because their usage is niche compared to USB, and card readers for people that need them are 1) tiny and 2) more reliable and faster than the built-in solution.
You can upgrade the SSD in the new Macbook Pros.
Couldnt you use a USB-C to HDMI cable?
Spiral Insanity
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Please tell me more, haha. I guess that would have to work! Thank you.
I assume that the 5K screen would just display in 4K mode with PS4K?
I was thinking of getting the Dell 5k for a while but wanted a USB-C port.
The LG would be perfect, but I'm not buying a professional monitor with only 1 uplink port.
Regardless of the PS4 Pro, you would be limited to 4k by the HDMI converter.
Spiral Insanity
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Does anyone know the response time for the UltraFine displays? Hoping for 6ms or less, but I can't find this anywhere.
I'm just curious, but what is the benefit of having more than 1 uplink port? Edit: Oh, you mean you can only connect one main device at any one time? Wow, that sucks. :/ I think I will stick with NEC displays in that case.
I'm just curious, but what is the benefit of having more than 1 uplink port? Edit: Oh, you mean you can only connect one main device at any one time? Wow, that sucks. :/ I think I will stick with NEC displays in that case.
Switch between my PC and Macbook without having to pull cords, which is inconvenient and resets window locations.
Spiral Insanity
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Yes, that is unacceptable.. very strange omission. Or maybe not.
eyeball_kid
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Fortunately MacRumors updated their article to say that people who already bought dongles will get refunds. I guess they had courage to do the right thing.
Yikes, I didn't realize that. Yeah, no good.
Lord Error
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Apple's HDMI dongle also has one USB3 port on it. That one port accepts only 60W charging, but as someone explained there's a technical reason for it. Either way, it just seems like a super-overpriced adapter, Monoprice is selling USB3->HDMI adapter for $15, and I doubt they'd sell something that's not good.
A lot of reviews for Apple's adapter also mention this flickering problem btw. Some say that there's an update for it, but that they can't even complete the update.
Mr. Wonderful
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Because to some people, color reproduction is critical to their job, especially as 10-bit, WCG displays emerge, and $1000 is actually cheap for a display at those specifications?
Bullshit
Only with special tools including replacing glue. Frankly Apple should offer SSD upgrade services at the retail stores
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What's bullshit? Do you believe that SD cards are more common than USB devices? That SD card readers are used more often than USB ports?
victreeb3l
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I want the additional screen real estate. I have 27" monitor with 2560 x 1440 and I'd love more space.
I was looking at the Dell U2715K 5K display. For a monitor that expensive I'd like it to work with both my mac and PC.
Zeyphersan
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You know, even at $975 I don't think I'll get that 5K monitor as much as I want to. Most of my time is going to be spent in Bootcamp playing games and I don't trust Windows to interpret the P3 panel correctly color-wise, and I wouldn't like not having backlight controls while in Windows either
I'll get a nice Dell and call it a day
I'll get a nice Dell and call it a day
Rocky Raccoon
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Woah, I just realized that 5K is like the Retina version of 2560 x 1440. Makes my 1080p 27" Display look like crap.
Everything in your reply was bullshit. Card readers are not tinier than the flush solutions I linked nor more reliable lol wot. The niche argument isb stupid because the whole point of a Pro laptop is that it's for niche markets. And that niche which uses SD cards/Pros uses it very often.
The SD card is not similar to Ethernet/HDMI/Thunderbolt etc as it's not a cable port.
Yes, they are Retina. And the reason you'd get one is you'd get a 1440p 27" monitor's worth of real estate at glorious Retina resolution.
And my post was not in (direct) response to yours, rather it was a sarcastic attempt to highlight that poster's seriously apples and oranges comparison.
brianjones
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if i were to look at getting an older macbook on eBay which is the one i want?
How old are we talking? 13 inch or 15 inch?
Rocky Raccoon
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I see a 15" MacBook Pro with AMD M370X for $1500 to $1800 on Craigslist.
brianjones
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well my iMac is currently a 2007 model so something more recent than that lol
i don't think id use it for heavy work or anything but 8 or 16 GB ram and SSD sounds real nice
eyeball_kid
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Fair enough. I guess I'm just one of those that would rather have two smaller displays for my work needs. I have a 24" and that already seems a bit massive on my desk.
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1) Take a closer look at my post. I said card readers are tiny. They're not going to take up a bunch of extra space in a bag pocket. I didn't say they were tinier than a built-in reader.
2) Do a quick Google search or even just look at the past few pages of this thread and you'll see plenty of stories of people's built-in SD card readers failing. Dedicated readers are cheap and can be easily replaced if anything were to happen. The build-in SD card reader in the MBPs caps out at USB 2.0 speeds (480 Mb/s) while dedicated readers can use USB 3.0 (up to 5 Gb/s).
3) You stated: "I still haven't seen a good reason for why SD cards should be replaced by USB." The main reason is that USB ports are far more versatile and are far more popular. Even within the niche market of MBP buyers that holds true. Do you really think Apple didn't conduct a plethora of market surveys before making the decision? If SD card support is that important to an owner, they aren't going to care about bringing an extra, small reader along with them. They might already be using one for the speed advantage alone anyway.
4) The "Pro" in the name hasn't meant "Professional" in a long time. Stop getting hung up on buzzwords and marketing. It just means it's their most expensive and most powerful line of notebooks.
faceless007
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I'm not sure what your budget is but some people who don't want to take the leap on the latest Pro are instead getting the 2015 model. You might want to keep an eye on the Apple Refurbished section. They're basically 15% off the list price with the same 1 year warranty. That's what I just got (a 13" 2015 Pro), and while I haven't done any serious use on it yet, the unit is completely pristine and has no signs of use, so I'd say it was a pretty good deal.
With regards to USB-C... buy new cables, not dongles, for your existing devices. Just about every prior USB connector has a cable now that will end in a USB-C port at the end. And they're cheap. No need for dongle hell.
http://www.monoprice.com/pages/usb_31_type_c
http://www.monoprice.com/pages/usb_31_type_c
eyeball_kid
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We only have four USB-C ports, so most people will need a hub of some kind. On my current Mac I use three USB-A ports, ethernet, FireWire 800, and two display outputs. I will need even more for the MBP due to having to switch to external drives vs. internal bays in my Mac Pro.
victreeb3l
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27" is probably too big for 1080p. There are some really good and cheap 2560 x 1440 monitors these days. I paid $500 for a Dell and it has lasted me nearly 5 years so far.
And yeah, the 5K is absolutely gorgeous. I'd use a scaled resolution but time to time I'd switch back to retina mode to take in the beauty! Stupid Apple not allowing target display mode on the 5K iMacs
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Out of curiosity, what are your FW and 3 USB-A ports connected to, if not external drives? Also, wouldn't you be far better served using a NAS instead of multiple external drives? It would be significantly faster and only require 1 connection (that you're already using, so effectively 0).
A dock or hub is perfectly good for that scenario and for a desk setup I plan to do just that. But I'm speaking more to the people who think they need a clunky adapter or dongle to bring along on the go and that it will be such a hassle and inconvenience to hookup devices when all you need is a new cable to replace the one you're already bringing now.
eyeball_kid
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FW = audio interface, USB = external keyboard, iPhone, MIDI interface
I have a separate NAS. These drives are purely for projects and apps, plus a Time Machine drive. I'm not sure yet what I'll do to externalize some of that. I hate external closures because I feel the shoddy cooling shortens the drive lifespan, so I may go for a second NAS. Not sure yet.
Ah ok, yeah I agree.
1) They are going to take up some bag space where none was required. Moreover the tinier the card readers are, the easier they are too lose. 3b) If SD card support is that important to an owner, that'll make them care even more about bringing an extra, small reader along with them instead of a simple slot.
2a) lol wut. Do a quick Google search and you'll see plenty of stories of people's dedicated card readers failing. If your built in SD card reader fails then Apple will replace it under warranty. If a dedicated card reader fails then that's another expense out of your pocket.
2b) The speed limit is an Apple self-imposed USB 2 limit on Notebooks. The Mac desktops have supported faster speeds:
"Mac notebooks use the USB bus to communicate with the SD card slot and have a maximum speed of up to 480 Mbit/s. Mac desktops use the PCIe bus to communicate with the SD card slot and can transfer data at a faster rate."
The USB bus is now basically Thunderbolt in these Macbook Pros so if Apple included an SD reader it would have fastest speeds 3) You misunderstood what I wrote take a closer look again. The SD card is a slot. USB is a port. One is for cards, the other is for cables; they aren't direct substitutes. The MacBook Pros used to have a powerful PCIE slot and now we're left struggling for a basic SD card slot. Losing that makes the MBPs less versatile not more. The most expensive and powerful notebook should be there most versatile.
lol at getting hung up on the Pro name or trying to pull the 'ol 'Apple knows what they're doing because they have all the survey information' card
eh it depends on how many cables you have to replace— one or two and that's fine but if there's more that adds up. Some people have three cables just for their iOS devices. Furthermore some people also have a desktop/second computer in addition to their laptop. As none of the desktop Macs support USBC that would mean keeping two sets of cables and making sure you don't grab the wrong one when heading out i.e. the definition of cables hell
Eh don't forget that USBC/Thunderbolt3 can be daisy-chained. Four ports (well two with the fastest/largest bandwidth) is a lot more than you think.
To summarize: go with a hub if cost is a concern and/or the MBP is a companion device. Go with (daisy-chained) cables if the MBP is your desktop replacement and you'll be buying new accessories (like external harddrives) anyway.
By the way, does any one have InfiniteUSB cables?
Souless_PJ
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If you want it to last that long you really need to put 16GB in.
Likely to be a year before any confirmation of non-exit. Even then do you really think Apple will adjust prices straight away?
Generally apple adjusts prices related to fx differences on release of new products.
So, I have been waiting to buy a new laptop since about February/March and (over)budgeting since then, so it made me somewhat prepared for a high cost laptop (£1800+). Having said that, it was even worse than I could have expected. I want a quad core Macbook Pro and the new one is definitely incredibly overpriced.
The result is, I have been searching around many other windows laptops for the sole purpose of loading some kind of linux distribution on to it, this is going to be a dev machine (I have a good Windows desktop for everything else). The problem is, I'll find a laptop that looks great and then I start looking up how people are getting on with Linux on them. There are always problems, from poor power management, to sleep/wake not working properly, to WiFi cards working but having other issues, graphics switching being a bit flaky, etc, etc.
The Dell XPS 15 Developer edition would have been a good compromise, but they don't sell it in the UK and people still seem to have problems with that too, and the developer edition has different hardware almost definitely because of compatibility reasons.
So after ordering and cancelling and re-ordering again multiple times, a 15" new MBP with 512GB SSD, I've ended up just settling on that. I spent a long time before the announcement of these looking at viable replacements and unfortunately, however much I'm not happy with what I'm paying for this, I can't find anything else I'd even be *as* happy with. OSX is still that good middle ground between Linux desktop & Windows desktop. A reasonable *nix dev environment with good commercial software support with software well optimised for the hardware (trackpad, power management, wifi, sleep/wake/, etc). Despite not being in uni for quite a while now, I've managed to hold onto my uni email address so have the 10% student discount and 3 year hardware warranty too, which is good.
But my flip-flopping has resulted in my estimated delivery date being Dec 14
Go 16GB, if you want to keep your laptop that long, I'd say you'll regret not going with 16 quite a lot.
If they do re-adjust the prices, it almost definitely won't be until the next refresh.
The result is, I have been searching around many other windows laptops for the sole purpose of loading some kind of linux distribution on to it, this is going to be a dev machine (I have a good Windows desktop for everything else). The problem is, I'll find a laptop that looks great and then I start looking up how people are getting on with Linux on them. There are always problems, from poor power management, to sleep/wake not working properly, to WiFi cards working but having other issues, graphics switching being a bit flaky, etc, etc.
The Dell XPS 15 Developer edition would have been a good compromise, but they don't sell it in the UK and people still seem to have problems with that too, and the developer edition has different hardware almost definitely because of compatibility reasons.
So after ordering and cancelling and re-ordering again multiple times, a 15" new MBP with 512GB SSD, I've ended up just settling on that. I spent a long time before the announcement of these looking at viable replacements and unfortunately, however much I'm not happy with what I'm paying for this, I can't find anything else I'd even be *as* happy with. OSX is still that good middle ground between Linux desktop & Windows desktop. A reasonable *nix dev environment with good commercial software support with software well optimised for the hardware (trackpad, power management, wifi, sleep/wake/, etc). Despite not being in uni for quite a while now, I've managed to hold onto my uni email address so have the 10% student discount and 3 year hardware warranty too, which is good.
But my flip-flopping has resulted in my estimated delivery date being Dec 14
Go 16GB, if you want to keep your laptop that long, I'd say you'll regret not going with 16 quite a lot.
If they do re-adjust the prices, it almost definitely won't be until the next refresh.
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Professionals have to carry all sorts of equipment with them. USB thumb drives take up bag space and are tiny too, yet no one worries about them on a regular basis. A few will whine now about all of the hypothetical inconveniences, just like they whined when Apple removed the disk drive, the ethernet port, etc, but at the end of the day and after a few months in with the new computer, they'll realize it's not a big deal. Or they won't even notice. It's just another piece of kit to carry around. At least it's not heavy, large or expensive.
Ah, I see a pattern here now of repeating what I wrote back to me. Clever.
If my SD card reader breaks, I'd rather pick up a replacement immediately for $7 than have to:
1) Take my computer in for a warranty repair and lose access to it for several days or a week (arguably losing thousands of dollars during this time if my computer is required for my job)
2) Potentially have to pay a large sum to have it repaired if my computer is out of warranty.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point.
You keep bringing up this slot vs. port thing. It doesn't matter that they aren't direct substitutes. Neither is USB for Ethernet or USB for a disk drive. The point is that you can still have the same functionality, with some compromises that will vary in severity depending on the person. Apple didn't remove the ability for the MBP to read SD cards.
I'd argue that 4 ports that handle power/video/data at the fastest speeds and highest throughput available right now is more versatile than 3 of those ports + 1 dedicated slot, especially when a significantly larger % of customers use the ports compared to the slot. But again, it seems we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
Did you really just pull out an "I know you are but what am I?" argument?
This is how companies do business. They gather information on the potential impact decisions ahead of time instead of making changes blindly. Is it possible they got it wrong? Sure! But let's wait and see if the sales of the MBP plummet compared to the rest of its market segment (since dedicated computer sales overall continue to decline on their own) to decide whether or not Apple really messed this up. A bunch of internet forum posters, bloggers, and people on Twitter whining isn't exactly a representative sample. It's a vocal minority.
This is pretty scary. I'm now thinking about cancelling my MBP preorder.
USB devices interfering with WiFi is a documented issue not unique this particular laptop. It's not necessarily super common for most people, but it's there and has been a thing for years.
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us...al-bus/usb3-frequency-interference-paper.html
http://uk.pcmag.com/networking-revi...the-truth-about-usb-30-and-wi-fi-interference
https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/usb-3.0-hard-drives-can-cause-wi-fi-interference
Good manufacturers of USB devices usually avoid this issue by shielding their devices properly, others don't. It can affect some laptops more than others (which may be the case with this one), often for reasons not really the fault of the laptop manufacturers. It's easy to understand why you'd lay all the blame on a particular laptop though if other laptops you've tried aren't as affected by it.
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us...al-bus/usb3-frequency-interference-paper.html
http://uk.pcmag.com/networking-revi...the-truth-about-usb-30-and-wi-fi-interference
https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/usb-3.0-hard-drives-can-cause-wi-fi-interference
Good manufacturers of USB devices usually avoid this issue by shielding their devices properly, others don't. It can affect some laptops more than others (which may be the case with this one), often for reasons not really the fault of the laptop manufacturers. It's easy to understand why you'd lay all the blame on a particular laptop though if other laptops you've tried aren't as affected by it.
The first Macbook didn't have an SD card slot. The second generation did. Apple gets it wrong sometimes
Spiral Insanity
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The UK will leave EU, the Devil isn't real, Apple won't lower Macbook Pro prices until the next revision. (If they do)
The 13" Macbook Pro without touch bar was in my local store (Manchester, UK). Got to try out the keyboard, the 'MacBook' was right next to it so could do a direct comparison with the keyboards.
It is a noticeable improvement over the keyboard in the Macbook, but it's still not a good keyboard. It may sound odd, but whilst I was as quick and accurate as I've ever been on a keyboard with it - the lack of travel and feedback is just not comfortable. I could see myself with aching hands over long periods of time.
I'm not too bothered by it though, much of the time I'll be docked into a proper keyboard.
It is a noticeable improvement over the keyboard in the Macbook, but it's still not a good keyboard. It may sound odd, but whilst I was as quick and accurate as I've ever been on a keyboard with it - the lack of travel and feedback is just not comfortable. I could see myself with aching hands over long periods of time.
I'm not too bothered by it though, much of the time I'll be docked into a proper keyboard.
Zeyphersan
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I've heard the 8th but haven't gotten confirmation
Mr. Wonderful
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Everyone keep canceling your orders so mine ships faster.
For anyone in the UK, the Apple UK refurb store just got a few 13" 2015 Pro's back in stock.
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