LightofRohan
Member
Yea I've realized the elves don't really have much to take care of fully upgraded Knights. And the damn melee elf "tanks" are way too weak to do anything useful.
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Hero Academy |OT| free iPhone MP strategy game from Orcs Must Die/Age of Empires devs
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But an upgraded Wraith is pretty much the ultimate tank, it practically can't be stopped. It has like 1300 HP with all equipment and 600 base power.
LightofRohan
Member
Truee, forgot about that. Even though it was in the quote I responded to. Haha. I've never successfully used a wraith though...
Eating your own team's corpses instead of rezzing seems to be worth it sometimes. Though obviously only do this if they don't have any items or there's no way for you to rez them during the turn.
Observation: Necro's being able to remote stomp corpses is crazy useful.
CrazyIvan1978
Member
Fuck this game, and its asynchronous multiplayer... How hard would it be to put some AI for this?!
Stick the regen gem on an armored one. If you can get one to the front line and hit multiple targets with his splash damage, you can regen back to full after every round.
Oxigen_Waste
Banned
this is the new market man. the phone game market.
in order to release a game that's free or 2 bucks, unnecessary things need to be cut. like a campaign mode.
ya, i don't find knights to be all that useful aside from being a damage sponge. their push attack makes good support, but isn't that good for killing off enemies and it's even weaker than the archers! melee doing less damage than ranged??
so what's the better win strategy? crystal destruction or routing?
Franklinator
Member
To everyone I'm in a game with right now, sorry I haven't made a move in a few days. My iPod charger stopped working, and I'm waiting for my new one to arrive
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
What's the problem with asynchronous multiplayer? With a ton of GAF and Dev games going I am literally never without a match.
Unless you just want to sit down and play for a few hours in which case can't you play with randoms?
Also, sorry I've been slow on my games lately (KidInsomnia). Work's been cray.
Unless you just want to sit down and play for a few hours in which case can't you play with randoms?
Also, sorry I've been slow on my games lately (KidInsomnia). Work's been cray.
God damn this game is frustrating, playing against someone called 'Spaceman74' right now and was bombarded with the crappiest items right near the start of the game, constantly getting knights and shields - I went around 10 turns without a single healer, or someone who could deal damage ie ninja/archer 
God damn this game is frustrating, playing against someone called 'Spaceman74' right now and was bombarded with the crappiest items right near the start of the game, constantly getting knights and shields - I went around 10 turns without a single healer, or someone who could deal damage ie ninja/archer
This is why you swap items in the early game.
MrCompletely
Member
Discovered this game this weekend....
On my third iPhone since the launch of the original and no handheld game has managed to distract me from my consoles/PC until this.
Username in game is 'Flit' if anyone wants to add me
On my third iPhone since the launch of the original and no handheld game has managed to distract me from my consoles/PC until this.
Username in game is 'Flit' if anyone wants to add me
I use the knight to push the enemy unit away from the crystal so I can attack it. Also, because they take so much damage, they're great to get into position for a ninja transport.
Nihilistic Monk
Member
#addname NihilisticMonk
Just registered. Will start to play tomorrow.
Just registered. Will start to play tomorrow.
velvet_nitemare
Member
Some guy I'm playing has been using the wraith to take out my units, and I've been shiciding them to take out his crystals. Gonna have to kill that thing to stand a chance at winning.
I have come the conclusion that a fully upgraded wraith is too powerful. I do not think I have lost a game where I have managed to upgrade the wraith. A possible solution might be to decrease move distance for the wraith by one square. It is just too easy to kill, eat a corpse, and then return to the safety of your side of the board.
no fucking shit! I can't do a damn thing in this game
Very slowly playing my first game with a random a couple of days ago. So far I'm not really feeling it. Maybe I need a battle with less than 8 hours per turn.
I find it weird that I can't invite my Game Center friends directly. I have no ideal what people's usernames are, or indeed what my username is.
I find it weird that I can't invite my Game Center friends directly. I have no ideal what people's usernames are, or indeed what my username is.
Haha yeah... sorry. I'll play Council next time!
edit: Dock play me, my name is Pastry. I usually play pretty fast.
i'd say start up another game or so. i had the most fun the one time i was alternating between 2 games in rapid succession. really got me into the game that way.
The more I play this game the more I think it could be so much better than it currently is.
As it is right now your units don't actually help each other out that much. Sure, the healers heal and rez, but beyond that a unit standing by itself is actually more advantageous in a lot of cases since it can't get chain lightninged or hit by an area attack. Theoretically you want your tank units to protect your fragile damage dealers, but there is really no way to do that currently since enemy units can just waltz right past the tank (or even directly through their square) with no fear. At least they block ranged attack from hitting units directly behind them.
Most turns boil down to either popping out more units/items and positioning or using exactly one unit to do as much burst damage as possible to kill one enemy unit and then deciding whether you want to retreat back to a spot that should theoretically be safe, sacrifice your unit to stomp the corpse, or use an item (or a necromancer) to stomp the corpse from range.
You win by trading units for units that are more valuable (ie have more items equipped) and/or exploiting your super unit better than the opponent. Once you get a lead by doing that you can start plinking away at the crystal if you want. If you get behind there is pretty much no way to get back into the game unless the opponent starts throwing units away.
Maybe I'm just not looking at it in the right way or something. I'd love to hear other opinions.
As it is right now your units don't actually help each other out that much. Sure, the healers heal and rez, but beyond that a unit standing by itself is actually more advantageous in a lot of cases since it can't get chain lightninged or hit by an area attack. Theoretically you want your tank units to protect your fragile damage dealers, but there is really no way to do that currently since enemy units can just waltz right past the tank (or even directly through their square) with no fear. At least they block ranged attack from hitting units directly behind them.
Most turns boil down to either popping out more units/items and positioning or using exactly one unit to do as much burst damage as possible to kill one enemy unit and then deciding whether you want to retreat back to a spot that should theoretically be safe, sacrifice your unit to stomp the corpse, or use an item (or a necromancer) to stomp the corpse from range.
You win by trading units for units that are more valuable (ie have more items equipped) and/or exploiting your super unit better than the opponent. Once you get a lead by doing that you can start plinking away at the crystal if you want. If you get behind there is pretty much no way to get back into the game unless the opponent starts throwing units away.
Maybe I'm just not looking at it in the right way or something. I'd love to hear other opinions.
I'm quite appreciative of the simplicity of character abilities, so would be wary of system-wide design changes. That said, I think what you describe can be achieved in releasing more teams with new abilities and different trade-offs. For example, a tank-like character that absorbs some of the damage taken by adjacent teammates, or a buffing character that imbues improvements on a characters nearby.
I think that knights are pretty effective tanks once fully upgraded, with a healer behind them they can last a while as long as a scroll is not used on them and they avoid the attack bonus square. I think your issue with the units not supporting each other is the style of the Council. They seem much more brute force than the elves. The elves have some interesting ways they can support each other. The Priestess has the debuff built into her attack which can come in handy, the wraith is IMO the best all around unit in the game, using the creatures from the Necromancer as meat shields is a great way to move up the board and using the Impaler with a Monk is a great way to get to a healer if they are hiding behind a unit. It seems the developers are taking notes so I'll be interested to see the changes they make in the first update.
catapult37
Member
Two things this game really needs:
a) undo one step at a time.
b) replay enemy's turn. I keep missing it and then I'm not totally sure what happened.
a) undo one step at a time.
b) replay enemy's turn. I keep missing it and then I'm not totally sure what happened.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
Hit the settings button in the upper left corner. Hit replay.
bigwinnerx
Member
What's the general rule you follow for rematch? If desired, should the loser initiate it or the winner? If they both do, you have 2 games.
I'm on a losing streak and don't feel like the loser should initiate a rematch as the winner may feel they already beat that guy. So I haven't been asking for rematches.
I'm on a losing streak and don't feel like the loser should initiate a rematch as the winner may feel they already beat that guy. So I haven't been asking for rematches.
catapult37
Member
I just started playing this and I'm surprised, given all the initial excitement, to find the base ruleset and units to be pretty flawed. It looks like some people in this thread are starting to notice, too.
Just at a high level, it's frustrating that your items and units on a given turn are completely random. I'd prefer an advance wars-like system where you earn $ to buy units. Question: do they come out of a static deck that is just shuffled? Or can one team just get lucky and get lots of good units?
It also seems like much of this game is just about throwing units toward the center without many strategic options available. I think the small board size and static layout of the board contribute to this.
I don't know. Each game feels like a stalemate almost from the start. I really want a great asynchronous ios strategy game, but maybe this just isn't the one for me.
Just at a high level, it's frustrating that your items and units on a given turn are completely random. I'd prefer an advance wars-like system where you earn $ to buy units. Question: do they come out of a static deck that is just shuffled? Or can one team just get lucky and get lots of good units?
It also seems like much of this game is just about throwing units toward the center without many strategic options available. I think the small board size and static layout of the board contribute to this.
I don't know. Each game feels like a stalemate almost from the start. I really want a great asynchronous ios strategy game, but maybe this just isn't the one for me.
I like to think that the "draw" system makes it similar to a Trading Card Game. The main reason (I'm assuming) that it exists is to make each match different. Otherwise, with boards this small, games will quickly devolve into the "right" way to play and matches will have very little variety. I have been stung by bad "draws" before but I've never been absolutely beaten because of it.
Folks who dislike the game are also likely discounting the importance of putting pressure on your opponent by attacking their crystals. This component alone dramatically expands the strategy because you aren't necessarily guaranteed a win by having superior forces (A lesson I credit to Mr. Ninjaman as he almost beat me despite me wiping out almost all of his forces. He got my crystal health down to 1% before losing his last soldier. I consider that game a loss on my part.)
Someone asked that on the HA Facebook page and the dev confirmed it's a standard deck (so theoretically you can card count).
I'd argue that if you aren't card counting, you aren't playing right.
If devs are reading the dark elf item - shield with green thing in the middle is totally useless and you are screwed when you have like 3 or 4 of those in your inventory. It increases power of soul stealing or whatever right? Maybe it would be worth using if it made the character auto-resurrect as one of the weak ghost things upon dying.
Game seems to be balanced better than some of you are saying, luck of the draw is part of the deal with games like this.
Game seems to be balanced better than some of you are saying, luck of the draw is part of the deal with games like this.
I actually find it pretty useful, since more life-leech often means less turns spent healing your units with the witch.
I thought it only raised the amount they get from like 15 to 30 or something like that, or am I thinking about the wrong thing (the green bomb thing is what I thought it was doubling, not attack based leeching)
I'm pretty sure it doubles the life leech from attacks