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Hero or Garden State?

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karasu

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HEro, but it is not a martial arts extravagnza. It's a visual feast, the Martial Arts are the cherry, on top.
 
I haven't seen Hero, and it looks neat in a Crouching Tiger sort of way, but Garden State is one of the best movies I have ever seen. I doubt you'll rank it as high as I do, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
 

miyuru

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Mike Works said:
I haven't seen Hero, and it looks neat in a Crouching Tiger sort of way, but Garden State is one of the best movies I have ever seen. I doubt you'll rank it as high as I do, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I'm a Garden State whore for unknown reasons, I'm sure I'll like it just as much man :p
 
Go watch Garden State. I had my reservations about the movie after viewing the trailer, but it turned out very good. I just got back from seeing it… Besides a couple sections, the writing overall was great.

All the cuts to focus on mundane things got annoying after a while in Hero. Faux poetry bullshit I tell you! And I love Leung, Cheung, and Doyle.
 

Meier

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Garden State is the best film this year. Hero is nowhere NEAR as good as the review score on Rotten Tomatoes would lead you to believe.
 
Meier said:
Garden State is the best film this year. Hero is nowhere NEAR as good as the review score on Rotten Tomatoes would lead you to believe.
Hero is a better film. Garden State is nowhere NEAR as good as anyone here would lead you to believe.
 

Meier

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Hero is completely and utterly average.. and this coming from a huge fan of foreign cinema and Zhang Yimou. It's gorgeous to look at, and that clouds a lot of people's judgment about the actual film as a whole.
 

Triumph

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Garden State is not the best film of the year.

It is the 2nd best, right behind Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. As The Final Arbiter of Good Taste, I am infallibly correct in this matter.
 

Paradox

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Raoul Duke said:
Garden State is not the best film of the year.

It is the 2nd best, right behind Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. As The Final Arbiter of Good Taste, I am infallibly correct in this matter.


Your very correct sir. :)


... go see Garden State.
 

teepo

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Meier said:
Hero is completely and utterly average.. and this coming from a huge fan of foreign cinema and Zhang Yimou. It's gorgeous to look at, and that clouds a lot of people's judgment about the actual film as a whole.

he nails it.
 
karasu said:
What's so great about Garden State? The trailers look very been there done that. :/
To avoid looking like I'm trolling, this will be my last post.

It is very been there, done that. I thought the movie itself was pretty decent -- but things like Natalie Portman's entire character just pissed me off too much.
 

Iceman

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I know someone exactly like Natalie Portman's character in Garden State.. so maybe that added some humor for me specifically.. but the movie in general is really funny in a dark comedy kind of way. The tail end of the movie teeters off in terms of comedic value but the movie remains pretty memorable.

Hero on the otherhand is memorable only for its visuals. Tons, and tons of memorable visuals. Don't even bother unwinding the story though, it's not worth the time or effort and its no where near a good enough payoff... and you'll probably miss some great visuals. But in the end, the movie itself is farily forgettable. It doesn't help that the sequence of events is presented with all manner of twists and turns, loops and double backs.

Garden state is teh winnar.
 

miyuru

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I loved both, but I think I liked Hero more, just because I was getting in to the story. They're both really really really different movies. Depends what kind of mood you're in to see whichever.

Hero, if you're pumped. Garden State if you want to see a really cute, sweet movie, but it's still really clever. Loved both.

Edit: And in Hero's defence, it's not average IMO. How many times have you seen a martial arts flick with a decent story? I mean, it was better than the crud we get in America, remember all those Jackie Chan movies when they came to America? Jesus.

And on top of a *decent* story (and an all right attempt to tell it, though it got confusing for a little bit but cleared up later on), the visuals are just really nice to look at. Why drill it when it's still interesting to simply look at, let alone follow the story and so on. Fighting was great too, and there isn't THAT much talking. There's talking, and then a fight, ad nauseum. The whole movie is just a series of fights!
 

Miburou

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Meier said:
Hero is completely and utterly average.. and this coming from a huge fan of foreign cinema and Zhang Yimou.

Just out of curiousity, what other films of his have you seen?
 

Tim

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I thought Hero was awesome in every way. Jet Li kinda dissapointed me in a couple of scenes, but overall it was great from start to finish. The sound effects are truly excellent.
 
enjoy bell woods said:
It is very been there, done that.

Actually, it's extremely been there, done that. This is seriously becoming the most overrated film of the year.The acting is decent, but the story is pretty weak, very predicatable, and extremely trite.
 
FortNinety said:
Actually, it's extremely been there, done that. This is seriously becoming the most overrated film of the year.The acting is decent, but the story is pretty weak, very predicatable, and extremely trite.
The movie isn't about the story at all. The story is just there for the characters. Garden State only uses small pieces of the story to flesh out aspects of the characters- the guy's mother dying, his troubled past with his father, and pills... If you were to describe this movie (small sequential event spoilers I guess) like;

He flies home. He goes to the funeral. He meets some old friends. He goes to their party. He goes to the doctor. He meets a girl. He goes to her house. They go to his friend's house... etc

it would look boring and pointless in comparison to the aforementioned Spider-Man 2;

Doc Oc gets mechanical arms grafted onto his spine. The experiment goes wrong and in a blast killing his wife, the arms are fused into his body. He robs a bank and then fights Spider-Man using Aunt May as bait. They later fight on top of a speeding subway car... etc

The entire attraction in Garden State is in the dialogue and events between the characters themselves, and how they react and adapt to them. It's cool if you don't like the movie, not everyone will, but that's kind of an unfair criticism.
 

nitewulf

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actually i love hero, but i agree with meier on that, its not yimou's best work...nowehere near in fact.
i have seen "raise the red lantern", "the road home" and "shanghai triad"...and artistically all of them are of a higher quality.
hero is actually neither drama, nor martial arts extravaganza...so its sort of neither here, nor there. whereas his other films that i have seen all deal exclusively with human conditions and drama. they are much more humane and universal.
 
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