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PuppetYuber said:
I guess If they do nerf him its going to be mana/cool down related.
Ultimoo said:
Any hero with a sheep stick can 1v1 anyone without a bkb.
I don't see Midas as anything else then being strong early mid game. Once you hit that barrier of 1k plus of hp with magic armour Midas can no longer gank you 1v1 and is forced to either take the farm away from the carry or farm him self to get support items for the carry which I see his role as being.
Would like to see what type of role the competitive players use him as, I'm guessing very similar to Bombardier type role where he farms mega easy due to his skill and gets support items.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Those are some Sanjay-esque creep denies.Sebulon3k said:Why not post SS of us carrying your Rampage after getting dumpstered mid by a player 100 under your MMR
Can't get more then 3 kills on a team with 4 squishies, level advantage Rampage? Almost same stats as the pub Ophelia, not even in his top 5 played.
PuppetYuber
Banned
You left out the part where I was 5 man ganked at lvl 1 that game, and the part where you left Loki died to a lvl 1 DS because you were afk.
I feel like starting to play this at least until DOTA 2 comes out. Wish me luck. I have no idea what it is except I played one awful round of DOTA once and I saw someone play this in a lacture once (lazy bastard). Obviously the basic concept of two bases and heroes is there too.
ReconYoda said:
Do you get on the GAF mumble server? Even if you don't have a mic, you can at least hear everyone else better than the ingame voicechat.
Most of us play some TMMs until the early evening (US time) when we have enough people to play IHs on. I don't recommend that you join inhouse games until you have mumble though, since it will be harder for you to steel or defend yourself otherwise if you're the only person out of 10 that's not hearing what people are saying. Will it actually make you better? That's debatable, but we can certainly try giving you some tips here and there.
IH games are a mix of high-level play, low-level trolling, and big throws. Don't let one bad game get to you and make sure you play or spec the next one. We try to balance teams the best we can but people are always improving and new players are joining in all the time so sometimes it goes awry. If you're new just tell us at the start, and we will try to adjust accordingly.
PuppetYuber
Banned
No one said you were good, get over yourself.
I need to drag my smurf account into the 750 mmr range. I wonder what the quickest way to accomplish that is?
On an unrelated note, the HoN forums have the best trolls.
On an unrelated note, the HoN forums have the best trolls.
FromTheFuture
Member
Don't mind PuppetYuber, he has that rare disease where his salt levels are always at the maximum.Squire Felix said:
he mad cause he bad
I just played my first game of HoN ever and it was fucking awful based entirely on the players I played with. It seemed like everyone was assuming you to be amazing at the game even with a new account (1500 of that rating, everyone was pretty much within 10 of that). I got yelled at and called a feeder and played pretty much last in every category. The actual game seemed decent enough with the exception of feeling like I wanted to zoom out more than I could - that might be a balance thing though since you can't be allowed to see too much.
FromTheFuture
Member
As far as other random players are concerned, they could be a thousand times worse than you and still call you a terrible feeder noob. Try to not let it get to you. I think all of the players are put down by someone at some point in time and just jump on the chance to dish hate back at someone else. If you want a better experience with teammates, try to stick to playing with GAF.Rapstah said:
I think that we should take this period of stat downtime to discuss some of the problems in IHL Season 1 and the improvement we can make for IHL season 2. It seemed like one of the biggest criticisms of last seasons was the method that teams were arranged, having fixed teams limited the number of times people were able to play unless they had ringers due to member inactivity etc. Some suggestions to fix this have been;
1. Have a bot that will automatically create teams based on PSR values for the current IH season.
So this will pretty much create teams, from people in a lobby based on their PSR, but only based on PSR from the games that have been played once the season begins, pretty much everyone will start at 1500. Problem with this method is someone will have to write the bot, and I don't think anyone has volunteered for this yet.
2. Have a captain system.
3-4 members are chosen to "captain" a team, members of the team are chosen middle school dodgeball style. One problem with this is that the better players will always be chosen to play and some of the newer players will often be spectating.
3. Current IH method
Delirium has created an IH ladder app for us to use to track stats. We would pretty much continue as usual under our current IH method but there would be IHL games and just for fun IH games, games would be distinguished in the lobby. One problem already brought up with this method however was the better players would naturally gain the most IHR ( In House Rating ) because they would have higher win%, the newer players wouldn't have much incentive to continue playing if this was the case. I am not exactly sure of any method to avoid this outcome though.
Who Wins?
Assuming we go with the same reward as last season ( If Nome is kind enough to sponsor us again ) how will we reward all participants for their efforts if we don't reward teams as whole, again by having an IHR stat be the determinant for who wins it excludes the possibility for newer players to be at the top. Possibility of separating people into brackets such as "New People" and "Experienced" to make things a bit fairer?
Anyway I open up discussion to you guys, this will also help alleviate the burden being on a single person to organize everything like last season.
Also thanks again Nome for sponsoring us last season, Lawful Good Indeed!
1. Have a bot that will automatically create teams based on PSR values for the current IH season.
So this will pretty much create teams, from people in a lobby based on their PSR, but only based on PSR from the games that have been played once the season begins, pretty much everyone will start at 1500. Problem with this method is someone will have to write the bot, and I don't think anyone has volunteered for this yet.
2. Have a captain system.
3-4 members are chosen to "captain" a team, members of the team are chosen middle school dodgeball style. One problem with this is that the better players will always be chosen to play and some of the newer players will often be spectating.
3. Current IH method
Delirium has created an IH ladder app for us to use to track stats. We would pretty much continue as usual under our current IH method but there would be IHL games and just for fun IH games, games would be distinguished in the lobby. One problem already brought up with this method however was the better players would naturally gain the most IHR ( In House Rating ) because they would have higher win%, the newer players wouldn't have much incentive to continue playing if this was the case. I am not exactly sure of any method to avoid this outcome though.
Who Wins?
Assuming we go with the same reward as last season ( If Nome is kind enough to sponsor us again ) how will we reward all participants for their efforts if we don't reward teams as whole, again by having an IHR stat be the determinant for who wins it excludes the possibility for newer players to be at the top. Possibility of separating people into brackets such as "New People" and "Experienced" to make things a bit fairer?
Anyway I open up discussion to you guys, this will also help alleviate the burden being on a single person to organize everything like last season.
You did a GJ Pro
Also thanks again Nome for sponsoring us last season, Lawful Good Indeed!
PillowKnight
Member
I might be the only one, but I liked having arranged teams, and thought it was one of the better aspects of the IHL.
The part that I really thought was lacking was the organization, there were no set times, and none of the captains bothered to coordinate. I'd say that the real problem with the IHL was its lack of structure. Here's why; you have a gaffer who wants to play an IHL game, but how does he go about doing that? During the last IHL his only method was logging in and hoping that nine other people(which included 2 of the 3 captains) were just randomly online.
My suggestions for the next IHL are; select better captains(meeru was terrible, oceanic was eeeh), have set IHL days where teams will play against each other(on top of just random games that randomly start.), have two different pools of players: those who will be able to participate often and those who cant, make the ones who cant be 'free players' that can sub for any team.
In regards to captains we'd have to do a better job of picking captains; Kag was great, Meeru was awful, and Oceanic was rarely around.
The part that I really thought was lacking was the organization, there were no set times, and none of the captains bothered to coordinate. I'd say that the real problem with the IHL was its lack of structure. Here's why; you have a gaffer who wants to play an IHL game, but how does he go about doing that? During the last IHL his only method was logging in and hoping that nine other people(which included 2 of the 3 captains) were just randomly online.
My suggestions for the next IHL are; select better captains(meeru was terrible, oceanic was eeeh), have set IHL days where teams will play against each other(on top of just random games that randomly start.), have two different pools of players: those who will be able to participate often and those who cant, make the ones who cant be 'free players' that can sub for any team.
In regards to captains we'd have to do a better job of picking captains; Kag was great, Meeru was awful, and Oceanic was rarely around.
PillowKnight said:
I also really liked the team-based structure of season 1; it adds a fun rivalry aspect to IHL games and differentiates them from IH games. I think regular IH games can be more individual-centric, but it's just more fun when you have a set team for a period of time (given of course, that you have an active team). Like pillow said, I think we just need more active captains. Kag did a great job, but to be fair, the other two captains didn't choose themselves.
arranged teams were fun, just really hard to get all members at a certain time to show up.
IHL during DotA days implemented a captain, leader, member hierarchy that worked fairly well.
Captain: Can challenge other captains for team matches (more serious games), can start games where 9 players sign (less serious games)
Leader: Can start games where 9 players sign (less serious games)
I believe select members should be leaders, then maybe decide who should be captain after couple games
IHL during DotA days implemented a captain, leader, member hierarchy that worked fairly well.
Captain: Can challenge other captains for team matches (more serious games), can start games where 9 players sign (less serious games)
Leader: Can start games where 9 players sign (less serious games)
I believe select members should be leaders, then maybe decide who should be captain after couple games
Sebulon3k said:
Or have a pool of newer, less experienced players (Guesong, dorkimoe, tomat, crackbabyjr and whoever else is new/less experienced), and teams should have at least one (and a maximum of one) of those players in their line-up.
Cause I don't believe we have enough newer less experienced players to form 2 teams of them, let alone a league. Now I know that in a IHL where a prize is on the line, having a newer player on the team might be source to an extreme frustration at any given moment, but if you want to try and include HoNGaf as a whole, not much you can do about it, I believe.
Hopefully, new players will play with us so we can get a general idea of their skill level. For example, Moody played a little HoN in beta and came back during the $10 sale. I would comfortably put him into the "experienced players" section, despite being technically new.
I think for the next season of GAF IH we should do something like those High Level leagues with an IRC bot, then use a bastardised PSR system to rank the players (some of PSRs, compute the +/- based on relative scores and distance from average) then reward the top 10 or 15 players.
On a related note, I'm in for next season. Should have my computer good to go by this weekend.
On a related note, I'm in for next season. Should have my computer good to go by this weekend.
So the system I was suggesting for those that weren't in mumble was;
Part A
Have players separated into different tiers, Experienced (1800+), Average (1600-1799), New (Under 1600), we can use our own discretion to assign players if they don't play to their MMR, but I think that those numbers reflect ability pretty well. The purpose of the tiers is to avoid;
A. Team Stacking, considering the competitive nature of HoN GAF I think even if people aren't ill willed the possibility of having teams stacked with Experienced players may still happen, so putting restrictions on the team make up will allow for more balanced games. As well as making sure that new players aren't looked over during the drafting. Example:
1-2 Experienced Players Max
1-3 Average Players Max
1-2 New Players Required
Of course we can adjust appropriately if there aren't enough of each tier available but judging from the In House games played in the past 5 weeks, there are usually an abundance of members from each individual tier available for IH games. This also allows us to dynamically add any new people that feel like participating without having to worry about teams having more available then others etc.
B. This will alleviate the problem of how to reward people that will probably have no chance of being at the top of the ladder ( no offense to new players but your IHR will probably not be close to the more experienced players ), we can have the rewards be competitive within the 3 tiers, incentivising people to play because they are competing against people of the same skill level.
Part B
Puppetyuber's drafting method I think is the best, however I have a few suggestions to make it a little more fluid. Drafting definitely provides the best solution to having the most number of games played, with the least amount of pre arrangement required. However I don't think having people assigned as captains is really a necessity, instead I believe just picking the 2 highest skilled / rated players currently online to perform a draft would be the most beneficial, in order to avoid rare situations where no captain is currently online but there is interest for an IHl game, this also removes the possibility of the 2 best players somehow ending up on the same team.
In terms of length of this season, I think if we start from beginning of October and end in Early December we would have had a long enough season before we need to make any revisions, also we will give College Hon-Gaf enough fun for the semester as well as ending early enough for people to study for finals etc.
Any thoughts / Criticisms of this setup?
Part A
Have players separated into different tiers, Experienced (1800+), Average (1600-1799), New (Under 1600), we can use our own discretion to assign players if they don't play to their MMR, but I think that those numbers reflect ability pretty well. The purpose of the tiers is to avoid;
A. Team Stacking, considering the competitive nature of HoN GAF I think even if people aren't ill willed the possibility of having teams stacked with Experienced players may still happen, so putting restrictions on the team make up will allow for more balanced games. As well as making sure that new players aren't looked over during the drafting. Example:
1-2 Experienced Players Max
1-3 Average Players Max
1-2 New Players Required
Of course we can adjust appropriately if there aren't enough of each tier available but judging from the In House games played in the past 5 weeks, there are usually an abundance of members from each individual tier available for IH games. This also allows us to dynamically add any new people that feel like participating without having to worry about teams having more available then others etc.
B. This will alleviate the problem of how to reward people that will probably have no chance of being at the top of the ladder ( no offense to new players but your IHR will probably not be close to the more experienced players ), we can have the rewards be competitive within the 3 tiers, incentivising people to play because they are competing against people of the same skill level.
Part B
Puppetyuber's drafting method I think is the best, however I have a few suggestions to make it a little more fluid. Drafting definitely provides the best solution to having the most number of games played, with the least amount of pre arrangement required. However I don't think having people assigned as captains is really a necessity, instead I believe just picking the 2 highest skilled / rated players currently online to perform a draft would be the most beneficial, in order to avoid rare situations where no captain is currently online but there is interest for an IHl game, this also removes the possibility of the 2 best players somehow ending up on the same team.
In terms of length of this season, I think if we start from beginning of October and end in Early December we would have had a long enough season before we need to make any revisions, also we will give College Hon-Gaf enough fun for the semester as well as ending early enough for people to study for finals etc.
Any thoughts / Criticisms of this setup?
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I agree with the concept of a tiering system, but I have a feeling that people might lie about their tier in order to play more frequently. If we went with a modified psr system with standard +/- variations per match, though, we could start people at different PSRs and then measure progress by movement from start. We could start people at 1400, 1500, and 1600. A person who went from 1400 to 1515 would rank higher than a player who went from 1600 to 1680
I agree with the concept of a tiering system, but I have a feeling that people might lie about their tier in order to play more frequently. If we went with a modified psr system with standard +/- variations per match, though, we could start people at different PSRs and then measure progress by movement from start. We could start people at 1400, 1500, and 1600. A person who went from 1400 to 1515 would rank higher than a player who went from 1600 to 1680
I think we've had enough experience with people by now to know what tier they belong in, so lying about their MMR / PSR which we can check would give them nothing. I'd like to avoid changing people from tiers because putting someone in a tier they don't belong in would be unfair to them.Kapura said:
For example, Puppetyuber trying to say he belongs in the average tier ( which he does ), would obviously bring up objections because everyone knows he is experienced.