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Just played with NukeFDukem. First match we join these pubs pick 4 more melee carries, and we made the excuse one of our team was afk and we got a pass on a remake. Second match we win. 3rd match MrMr mentors me and there is all these mouse movements confusing me (both our mics don't work for some reason), NukeFDukem is spamming all these Moonmeander macro taunts and getting into fights and kicking a guy on our team lol.
The joys of 1500 MMR.
The joys of 1500 MMR.
Tough to mentor without voice chat, I swear it was working before, I guess you have sound off or voice disabled, half the stuff I was telling you could have saved you. Also, please always ward on the highest cliffs! I'll play with you in a bit, just finishing this bowl of Chex.
NukeDukem is my evil twin!
The best alt avatar ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaXYy3EeZ4o&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaXYy3EeZ4o&feature=player_embedded
Don't take it personally MrMr. If you want to get better, put in the time and make your stats reflect it. They're playing with the top 1% and regularly go against competitive players and take their games very seriously.
At one point around the first year of HON, loki and thor would dodge me and eventually straight up told me I wasn't good enough to play with them because their friends didn't like me dragging the team down. I had to suck it up and get better on my own until I could actually hang with them.
I'm so busy with personal stuff right now that I rarely have time to play anything. Maybe we can setup a hardcore Monopoly IHL. Google doc a statsheet with average $/game and put a prize towards the winner at the end, maybe a Steam game or something.
Fine, but over half the smurfs I checked you're playing with aren't even over 1700 and I'm 1622. Since I'm stuck with less than desirable queue partners I don't usually play MM at all and am forever stuck winning solo casual MM or All Mid Wars.
My point to all this is that I just want to fucking play with a real team from GAF. Not NukeFDukem, not solo mm, not random pubs I've found, I just want to queue with GAF again.
Or god forbid I play another 2000 matches just to get good enough to carry myself in solo queue to 1800, sounds like hell all over again
My point to all this is that I just want to fucking play with a real team from GAF. Not NukeFDukem, not solo mm, not random pubs I've found, I just want to queue with GAF again.
Fuck you DotA 2... and other games like TOR.
I haven't played Hon in 2 months so you must just be talking about loki and bzm. I've played maybe 2 games of dota2 in the last 2 weeks too. I know you've invested a lot of time (and maybe some money too) into HON but I think now is really the perfect time for you to play a completely different game... like SWTOR!
Nearly everyone on HonGAF can see where the game is headed and while we all loved the game for a couple of years or so we're not married to it and can definitely enjoy other games in our free time. I imagine that if most people wanted to wait for a new hero to come out every couple of weeks, some reskins, and barely-there balance changes they would just play dota2 instead of paying up for the privilege in Hon. The community has more hype for it and there are tons of people to play with at any tier. In fact, why don't you join some of the IHs they play or group up with some GAFfers for TMM there instead? I'm not going to lie MrMr; you're way better than some of the people I've played with from GAF and after reading some bits of the dota2 thread I'm amazed at how bad some people can play and yet be vocal about ignoring advice or calling out other people.
Nearly everyone on HonGAF can see where the game is headed and while we all loved the game for a couple of years or so we're not married to it and can definitely enjoy other games in our free time. I imagine that if most people wanted to wait for a new hero to come out every couple of weeks, some reskins, and barely-there balance changes they would just play dota2 instead of paying up for the privilege in Hon. The community has more hype for it and there are tons of people to play with at any tier. In fact, why don't you join some of the IHs they play or group up with some GAFfers for TMM there instead? I'm not going to lie MrMr; you're way better than some of the people I've played with from GAF and after reading some bits of the dota2 thread I'm amazed at how bad some people can play and yet be vocal about ignoring advice or calling out other people.
Thanks and truly I do miss the old days. Yes, I will have to eventually move to DotA 2, especially if S2 doesn't get their act together, but with all the time (and not to mention money) invested I still feel that we need to stick together for a little longer, but I'm sure we're past that point after DotA 2's beta and the holiday season has passed us. Either way I'll squeeze as much as I can out of HoN anytime I play it. I'll be damned if I'll ever get used to how slow DotA 2 is though.
I understand the monetary part, I have probably spent around $70($30 for the game and $40 for coins) on HoN, not that much, but enough to where i just do not want to stop playing right yet. I have had Dota2 since sept. and I still have only played a handful of games.
On your brand new laptop? or your old one?
If it's a brand new one with an nvidia card I'd check if you have the correct drivers or if the video card is actually being used. The Optimus power saving/gpu switching system is usually the culprit and you may need to manually specify that the GT5XX gpu should be used when running hon.exe or dota2.exe
If it's a brand new one with an nvidia card I'd check if you have the correct drivers or if the video card is actually being used. The Optimus power saving/gpu switching system is usually the culprit and you may need to manually specify that the GT5XX gpu should be used when running hon.exe or dota2.exe
how original
get good kid, you're trash.
also lone_prodigy has the best avatars, allison brie is way better than real life swag, k-pop avatars and whatever the hell kag's avatar is (not a car).
Pretty hard for me to compete with Allison Brie though, gonna have to get implants.
I know I'm not HON-Gaf but I like browsing this thread from time to time to see what you guys talk about. MrMister, honest question: What turns you off of Dota 2? I played very briefly with you and never got the chance to get to know you outside of a few lines in mumble. Any of the other pure HoN players like Swiftlame can answer too. I'm seriously just curious, no judgements attached. I ask because I'd love to see better players start joining in GAF games to help raise the skill level.
I play with a group of Korean and Chinese friends in Dota1 and they haven't yet transitioned over to Dota 2 due to the hero pool, so I spend most of my time helping out the lower and mid-tiered gaffers with the basics and captaining some actual teamwork to give them a taste of what it's like. I could be ringing for some friends in their scrimmage matches but quite frankly, I'm not interested in doing clan wars with anyone but, well, my clan. I definitely get the itch to play with people who just know what to do from time to time though (players like Swag help alleviate this), and I've heard enough about Swiftlame/Loki/Thor to make me want to play some games with them and get some friendships going.
So. Anything specifically holding you guys back from Dota 2? You guys think you're ever going to transition over?
I play with a group of Korean and Chinese friends in Dota1 and they haven't yet transitioned over to Dota 2 due to the hero pool, so I spend most of my time helping out the lower and mid-tiered gaffers with the basics and captaining some actual teamwork to give them a taste of what it's like. I could be ringing for some friends in their scrimmage matches but quite frankly, I'm not interested in doing clan wars with anyone but, well, my clan. I definitely get the itch to play with people who just know what to do from time to time though (players like Swag help alleviate this), and I've heard enough about Swiftlame/Loki/Thor to make me want to play some games with them and get some friendships going.
So. Anything specifically holding you guys back from Dota 2? You guys think you're ever going to transition over?
I still play hon wayyyy more than dota 2 
Only because I don't really like how Dota 2 is right now. I'm not comfortable enough with it to make it my game from now on, even after ~150 hours. Or maybe it's just because I don't really have people to play with. Although when I do have people to play with, it seems like the games are getting worse and every time it makes me lose interest in the game.
Only because I don't really like how Dota 2 is right now. I'm not comfortable enough with it to make it my game from now on, even after ~150 hours. Or maybe it's just because I don't really have people to play with. Although when I do have people to play with, it seems like the games are getting worse and every time it makes me lose interest in the game.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
The reason why we still go back and play hon is because it feels more fun. Animations are faster and smoother, and hon's changes to push forward an early game/roaming meta make the game a lot more enjoyable than 60 minute dota games over and over.
For me it's mostly the animations, the way they look and feel just seems so much smoother than dota, where everything feels slow and stuttery.
yeah wtf is up with that anyway
swiftlame doesnt have a dota2 key (nice swindle community account)
Tom, if you ever wanna play, just hit me up on Steam. I'm happy to do some games with you. Pretty sure I have you added.
I getcha pro. Hopefully the 6.73 changes help Dota move towards a quicker paced metagame. IceFrog has displayed great interest in moving away from the farmfests of old, and he's been doing it slowly but safely and surely. Still, it'll never be as quick as HoN, but the idea is to find a happy medium.
Either way, I notice when HONgaf DOES play Dota 2, they isolate themselves from the rest of GAF, and for the most part, they never participate in inhouses. Why is this? I don't understand. If you guys want to all be in the same party, do it. Hell, I encourage premade teams in inhouses (much to the dismay of low/mid-tier gaf). Neki, bzm, Procarbine, Kagete, Anbokr, Kapura, Tomat, whatever, feel free to all stay on the same team in an inhouse. Stick together. Make it HONgaf versus the rest of gaf, I don't care. I don't buy the complaint that there are too many new players, you're a part of the problem by being a vet and actively avoiding inhouses. We have enough decent players to get some seriously good games going. Swag vs Milk captain's mode inhouse games were an alright start, but we can do much, much better.
I want us to be one big, happy (or bloody violent) MOBA family.
I getcha pro. Hopefully the 6.73 changes help Dota move towards a quicker paced metagame. IceFrog has displayed great interest in moving away from the farmfests of old, and he's been doing it slowly but safely and surely. Still, it'll never be as quick as HoN, but the idea is to find a happy medium.
Either way, I notice when HONgaf DOES play Dota 2, they isolate themselves from the rest of GAF, and for the most part, they never participate in inhouses. Why is this? I don't understand. If you guys want to all be in the same party, do it. Hell, I encourage premade teams in inhouses (much to the dismay of low/mid-tier gaf). Neki, bzm, Procarbine, Kagete, Anbokr, Kapura, Tomat, whatever, feel free to all stay on the same team in an inhouse. Stick together. Make it HONgaf versus the rest of gaf, I don't care. I don't buy the complaint that there are too many new players, you're a part of the problem by being a vet and actively avoiding inhouses. We have enough decent players to get some seriously good games going. Swag vs Milk captain's mode inhouse games were an alright start, but we can do much, much better.
I want us to be one big, happy (or bloody violent) MOBA family.
Well, I don't usually join inhouses because I don't usually play DOTA 2. I think the main reason some of us avoid them (speaking for myself) is that we enjoy playing with people we know/are fond of. GAF inhouses are usually 8/10 full with 1 spot on each team and to be honest, I have absolutely no idea who anyone is (especially with steam names) and I have no desire to. It's a painful truth: but most are arrogant, showy, whiny, stubborn bads (not all, but this is my general feel just browsing the DOTA 2 thread) that think they have the entire game figured out (after playing 2 games).
HoN inhouses were fun because we had rivalries, HoN jokes, mumble madness--it was (at least for me) a fun experience of about 10-15 people that played together constantly and enjoyed playing with one another (at least I did), and half the fun was in the mumble. DOTA 2 mumble is well... boring and annoying. I think there is just a natural rift between HoNgaf attitudes/outlook and that of the newly forming DOTA2 gaf. It's a different community, and at least for now; I much prefer the HoNgaf "style," you could call it.
It's the brand new one, and yes it is an nvidia card. I should probably download drivers (I didn't touch the default ones), but how do I manually specify the nvidia card for the exe files? Also, do you have to uninstall old NVIDIA drivers before downloading new ones?
HoN inhouses were fun because we had rivalries, HoN jokes, mumble madness--it was (at least for me) a fun experience of about 10-15 people that played together constantly and enjoyed playing with one another (at least I did), and half the fun was in the mumble. DOTA 2 mumble is well... boring and annoying. I think there is just a natural rift between HoNgaf attitudes/outlook and that of the newly forming DOTA2 gaf. It's a different community, and at least for now; I much prefer the HoNgaf "style," you could call it.
It's the brand new one, and yes it is an nvidia card. I should probably download drivers (I didn't touch the default ones), but how do I manually specify the nvidia card for the exe files? Also, do you have to uninstall old NVIDIA drivers before downloading new ones?
I've given him details a few times and once via Neki, not sure if he's used it, can PM me if he wants the details again.
I got banned for straight talk with the dotagaf community. I'd rather not talk to them at all then tell them how awful they are in thinking about nearly every aspect of the game. I don't want to shit-talk individual members, but many of them (especially coming from league) play the game like casual public players. A lot of us who come from hon were used to playing with thorinbei and lokidemi in high-tier, tryharding matches. Shit like 3 man ganking mid at level one, immediate stacking and pulling, warding the pull at 0:29, mass TPs and supports stacking the jungle. That shit is high tier. I guarantee that if HoNgaf put together a stacked team, it would be a fucking massacre. That's not fun for either team.
The dotagaf people also don't seem to want to get significantly better. They watch high-level games but still play like low-level publics. They don't seem to have priorities in line to play like winners. There was a game I played in hon where I supported for Swiftlame and literally the only thing I did was stand at and stack ancients for about 10-15 minutes so we could win. It was winning uber alles, which is not something I think the lower level dota players understand. When I hear Dr Kirby bragging about low level ice armour, I know that i want to get away from that.
I think all this, and I'm not even fucking good at this game. When I play with the other guys in tryhard matches, I play shit support heroes who spend 90% of their income on wards. I accept that I'm not better than a lot of people, but I do know some things. I play sometimes with Botolf, Bang Shed et al and I try to pass down the good habits that might not be fun. Courier and wards every game. Never let wards go down. Know when to gank, when to farm, and when to push. The reason I can play with them though is I know that they accept what I have to say. they accept that I have a bit more experience, but more importantly I know what makes winning teams, having played on a few in my days. I feel as though dota gaf don't take experience for granted and they will fight to retain their right to play like garbage.
Come at me
The dotagaf people also don't seem to want to get significantly better. They watch high-level games but still play like low-level publics. They don't seem to have priorities in line to play like winners. There was a game I played in hon where I supported for Swiftlame and literally the only thing I did was stand at and stack ancients for about 10-15 minutes so we could win. It was winning uber alles, which is not something I think the lower level dota players understand. When I hear Dr Kirby bragging about low level ice armour, I know that i want to get away from that.
I think all this, and I'm not even fucking good at this game. When I play with the other guys in tryhard matches, I play shit support heroes who spend 90% of their income on wards. I accept that I'm not better than a lot of people, but I do know some things. I play sometimes with Botolf, Bang Shed et al and I try to pass down the good habits that might not be fun. Courier and wards every game. Never let wards go down. Know when to gank, when to farm, and when to push. The reason I can play with them though is I know that they accept what I have to say. they accept that I have a bit more experience, but more importantly I know what makes winning teams, having played on a few in my days. I feel as though dota gaf don't take experience for granted and they will fight to retain their right to play like garbage.
Come at me
I see what you're saying. Anbokr, you're a person I've been meaning to play with too, but like you said, you don't play a whole lot of Dota 2, so the chances I get are few and far between (and usually you're in a full group with kagete). For the most part, I agree with you that a handful of Dota 2 gaf are flat out annoying. Won't name any names, of course, but I get the feeling. It's strange just how salty and pissy some players can be -- my inhouses in Dota 1, while high skilled, were usually fun-filled and lighthearted.
But why do you think I always pester kagete and procarbine to join inhouses? Because they're good players with good personalities, and that's what we need more of. I laugh my ass off when rac and Neki are spectating and making jokes and comments about inhouses, those are just about the best times I've had in Dota 2 gaf, even when my team is losing horribly. Love listening to Kapura and kagete and others, too.
edit: Kapura, you posted while I was writing. Reading your comment now.
But why do you think I always pester kagete and procarbine to join inhouses? Because they're good players with good personalities, and that's what we need more of. I laugh my ass off when rac and Neki are spectating and making jokes and comments about inhouses, those are just about the best times I've had in Dota 2 gaf, even when my team is losing horribly. Love listening to Kapura and kagete and others, too.
edit: Kapura, you posted while I was writing. Reading your comment now.
GAF made me hate cars.
milkman, don't take it the wrong way and perceive it as just elitism. There is no single inhouse game for us in HON. Playing inhouses was an organic, growing, and evolving entity in itself. We gladly spend hours just debating how we would balance the next IH game we would play, even if it would eventually only last 15 minutes. We don't take arguments or callouts to the thread unless it was serious business or MrMr. We talked and argued about it, demanded to be on opposite teams, and then played on. We could have 5 to 15 games in one night, we just kept playing and playing.
Our balancing wasn't necessarily just to make games competitive, but to maximize fun for everyone. The games being competitive resulted naturally from great balancing after a couple of months. We encouraged rivalries and trash talk, but those would rarely be the source of any salt, which was usually internal to a team. We would try to lighten up the mood with semi-competitive isketch or other diversions so that we wouldn't get burned out after 10 straight games. Oftentimes inhouses would resume right after.
This isn't possible with dota2 yet. There's simply not enough time played by everyone yet, games are too long, and too many people play for the explicit reason of posting in the thread. There's no clan channel, and even just joining the neogaf channel by default involves a textfile edit. In HON, one could buy a new account and get back in [GAF] and on people's friends lists within the first 3 minutes without having to tab out.
I really miss those hon games we had. We would try the craziest, most hardcore, tryhard, offbeat strategies and people would laugh about certain ganks (especially failed ones) for days afterwards. Man, thorin was so salty when he lost to our 4/1/0 like you wouldn't believe! It still makes me and loki chuckle whenever we remember it.
This was changed recently, you autojoin any channel you were in when you quit the game.
sorry for DP but yeah, just overwrite them bokr.
Here's the tutorial for creating a profile for specific games
I don't perceive it as elitism, kagete (even though I might have acted like that in the Dota 2 thread, honestly can't remember, but it was all in good fun if I did). Like I said, I had no understanding of why you guys avoided gafhouses, and now I'm starting to get a very good idea of why you guys don't. I appreciate all the responses. I still think you guys should play, because, like I said, you're awesome people and would be a positive addition to the community. If I didn't give a shit about playing with you guys, I wouldn't bother going out of my way to post in this thread and ask you guys about it. And it still confuses me why you choose matchmaking over inhouse.
Kapura: I understand, I really do (although I gotta admit that you are *harsh* when you talk to new players sometimes. Understandable, but undeniably harsh). But I love to tryhard (one reason I love to play captain's mode) -- I just feel that it hasn't been appropriate in the new-player-central Dota 2 gaf. If HoNgaf were to stack and take a game seriously in an inhouse, I'd rally 1.09, Hyuna, and others and we would have serious tryhard games. I've been trying to get them to get mumble, and I'll push for them to get it now, because they're the type of players I think HoNgaf would like. Definitely would not be a massacre, and definitely would be a ton of fun.
And yeah. Botolf and co. are great people to play with and I always enjoy mming with them.
Kapura: I understand, I really do (although I gotta admit that you are *harsh* when you talk to new players sometimes. Understandable, but undeniably harsh). But I love to tryhard (one reason I love to play captain's mode) -- I just feel that it hasn't been appropriate in the new-player-central Dota 2 gaf. If HoNgaf were to stack and take a game seriously in an inhouse, I'd rally 1.09, Hyuna, and others and we would have serious tryhard games. I've been trying to get them to get mumble, and I'll push for them to get it now, because they're the type of players I think HoNgaf would like. Definitely would not be a massacre, and definitely would be a ton of fun.
And yeah. Botolf and co. are great people to play with and I always enjoy mming with them.
For what it's worth, I definitely appreciate the advice. Not so much the rare snark, but the advice is great
As for warding, it's something I enjoy doing because it definitely pays for itself in time. Need to work on stack timing, it's not to the point where I can just chain it over and over again.
Am I harsh? You bet. I think it's fun, I think it's funny, and ultimately I do it to amuse myself. You can either get offended and whine "he was calling us garbage when we died at level 2!" or you can accept that I (and I think many of us from hon) expect better play. When I fuck up, you know I hear about it. I can't afford to take it personally, and I think hearing about it helps me grow into a better player. It's tough love all around, and it's what motivates us to get good.
Agree to disagree. I don't mind your shit-talking personally, you'll see me trash Hyuna and 1.09 repeatedly, but that's because I know them so well and I'm comfortable talking to them in that way. I think it's better to treat new players kindly at first, and as they get better, raise my expectations in turn.
This is the realest fucken talk of all time, it seems like you try to teach basic concepts to Dota GAF and they take it in for a night, but then completely revert the next day, I don't understand it. Not to mention the myriad of posts in the thread every single day asking the same questions constantly, most of them can honestly be answered with a little self research
or reading the fucken OP
There are really only a handful of people that seem to actually have a desire to improve, and take advice to heart, there have been lots of times where I've been playing with Dota GAF and I tell them how to play or what to do, and they think I'm talking down to them or something. I often feel like that thread is a carnival of stupid, consisting of people that like to post screenshots of incredibly mediocre performances, people that think their hot shit giving the worst advice ever, and players that do dumb shit in an attempt to be a Neogaf personality, sadly lots of these motivations carry into the In Houses, especially the people that think their hot shit.
Also the community suffers heavily because it has a moderator that actually moderates, need Moody to take over moderating that thread.
Definitely agree to disagree. I much prefer to be given the nitty gritty explanation of why I messed up (though that ought come later of course, no time for depth in the heat of a game), failing that, a plain reminder to right my course.
A good example of the alternative is playing Windrunner with 1.09 on the team (not sure what his Gaf handle is, if any). He definitely knows the hero and has a lot of knowledge, but he tends to bark from the backseat when results aren't immediate. That may work with the people he usually plays with, but it doesn't with me (given he becomes more of a distraction than the enemy team). When he lets up and isn't sitting on my back, that's when I'm most able to focus and contribute. I'm happy to follow direction, but my temperament skews differently.
A good example of the alternative is playing Windrunner with 1.09 on the team (not sure what his Gaf handle is, if any). He definitely knows the hero and has a lot of knowledge, but he tends to bark from the backseat when results aren't immediate. That may work with the people he usually plays with, but it doesn't with me (given he becomes more of a distraction than the enemy team). When he lets up and isn't sitting on my back, that's when I'm most able to focus and contribute. I'm happy to follow direction, but my temperament skews differently.
PillowKnight
Member
Well, set up a 5v5 your friends vs hongaf, there's no way we'd back down.
This probably has more to do with it being on the gaming side.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
If only more people watched Community.
Teehee
that kid cant handle real talk
pft, theyre garb now anyway
you owe me some fuckin wins loki
im surprised no one else said anything
My journey through the MOBA games started with HoN in 2009 with beta where an old college buddy of mine (Not NukeDukem) gave me a beta key to HoN, I played it with him twice and couldn't do it. 2010 comes along and I get a full account from him for free, never touch it until... March 2011. I decide that after playing SCII for almost a year that I get bored with it and decide to boot up HoN for real for the first time, since I had it installed for months, shortly after I meet HoN-GAF. These guys, even though the small things about them to this day bother me, are the most helpful DotA genre guys you will ever meet, tough or not. For my first 300 games I came out with a KDA of 1:5:3 almost every single game, and it was all MM. There was little sympathy from them, and I appreciated any I got (Meeru, Kagete, Procarbine at times, etc.). I eventually solo MM'd a while and bottomed out at MMR 1014. It was shit. Then the In-houses started and slowly but surely I became better and better with every game I had with them, no matter how mad I got, it was just all in the moment for me. Eventually I got to where I am today, but since DotA 2 came out I've been basically been doing solo casual MM (and winning with carries) and no stats All Mid Wars (and winning), but I can't solo queue in normal MM due to fear of stats, and the fact that I'm solo in the middle of 4 pubs who like to feed, even though this is the 1600's where I expect at least some decent players. All in all, throughout all the rage, tough love, and just straight up playing the game, I've become the decent player I am today just by soaking it all in. As I said in my recent posts before this, I just want to play again, the only way I will get better, is if I can play or view people better than me, how I got to where I am today was doing that same thing.
I actually PM'd Nirolak and he told me that games with a Beta usually get thrown into Gaming instead. He said they will move it when the beta is rumored to go Open in February. LoL is only there because of EviLore.
This is pretty much how I feel about DotA 2. 6.73 probably will speed up the meta-game, which is a start, but it's the overall pacing and engine that needs work.