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NO NO NO ANDY, % based is where its at. Why they changed Spirit Breaker and Void in HoN as it was just to good late game. Just think about it, it goes through magic immunity and late game its pretty close to stun lock with good attack speed.
And your example on Axe is different as his skill does not really scale that good, he can't increase the chance as its based on how many people are attacking him.
Gemini is just brokenly OP. The only real way to "handle" him, is to completely destroy his team and pick a team of massive AOE damage like--zephyr, ra, magmus, behemoth, and then your usual supports or heroes like pyro/witch that can try to burst one wolf down. He's going to be nerfed (soon? I hope); honestly don't know why they didn't do it this patch. S2 leaving stupidly OP heroes in the game for months on end really hurts it's reputation; I honestly regarded HoN as extremely well balanced for a MOBA compared to my experience in DOTA 1 and people's talk of LoL. These last 3 months have shattered that though.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Mired in a losing streak that dropped me under 1500 MMR again. On a more positive note, I seem to be getting better at this game since my KDR's are pretty good now, or maybe I just play conservatively when I know my team sucks.
You can't really AOE nuke the dogs, we tried that with Amun Rah and Magmus ulti while he was trying to slay Kongor. He just brushed off the AOE like it was a breeze wind. It's because his magical armor is stupidly high. Best way I have seen to deal with Gemini is to early on when he is like LVL1 ulti to just focus fire/nuke one dog with something like WS/Pyro ulti when he gets to low health. Basically after he gets like 3 bracers and Grave Locket (which are cheap ass items) he becomes harder to kill than most strength heroes.
Didn't know that the aura comes on the Fire version of the dog. That makes much more sense now. Thanks for the replies.
Didn't know that the aura comes on the Fire version of the dog. That makes much more sense now. Thanks for the replies.
Then again, that percentage chance becomes invaluable when you have an item that can amp up your attack speed (like Mask of Madness), at times you'll start chaining together timelocks in short succession and prevent an enemy from fleeing or fighting back effectively. Methinks a static CD Timelock wouldn't have nearly as much utility.
I'm not fond of the cooldown thing. Although it does make playing certain heroes much easier (Ramp, for one), it's also very abusable. With timing and patience, every hit you land on an opponent during the laning phase will bash. It's no longer the percentage skill it used to be, it's more like Kunkka/Gladiator. The effect is strong enough even as a percentage based chance. Giving players control over when they bash is just ludicrous.
So I'm playing a little Xcom, modeling my squad after HoNGAF.
3rd mission: Moody gets blown up by a tank in the first five seconds. Rac gets mind controlled, shoots Neki and Lamarcus. Rac then proceeds to get killed.
Kag goes berserk and kills himself, Archie, and thor with a grenade.
Everyone died. HoNGAF throws everywhere. Fucking typical guys.
3rd mission: Moody gets blown up by a tank in the first five seconds. Rac gets mind controlled, shoots Neki and Lamarcus. Rac then proceeds to get killed.
Kag goes berserk and kills himself, Archie, and thor with a grenade.
Everyone died. HoNGAF throws everywhere. Fucking typical guys.
Switftlame
Neo Member
balanced hero u needed mag zephyr ra beh plague ulti then maybe u kill him if good bounces, idk what u do about his team after but at least dog dead
Space Wolves is awesome, unless you're reading Lee Lightner. I dunno about the Ultramarines one, not read em. You could try Soul Drinkers, the premise is interesting, but Ben Counter contrary to his name can't quite count.....lol (he has weird number discrepencies).
I think you misunderstood me a little.
I said Countdown, not Cooldown.
Chronos has a countdown/charges system - ie. after so many attacks = guaranteed stun.
Id rather have that than leaving it to percentage based chance? Increased attack speed makes sure you get more procs.
Axe is a good example - the countdown means its guaranteed. The reason i mentioned it is because 'scaling' it like you said, is like I mentioned, about stacking more creeps in the jungle. If you stack enough creeps as legionnaire you will kill them all and get great farm because your guarenteed to proc a shit load.
Same way with Chronos once you hit a certain attack speed you a likely to get near complete stun lock. Void is chance as to whether you could get a stunlock.
And considering ramp is insanely stronk with his stuns I doubt Spirit Breaker is better because of % either.
For Chronos, I'd rather have the random bash, the chance is fairly high (25%) and so it makes it easier to get 3 lucky bashes in a row and just melt some dude. Spiritbreaker on the other hand... 17% is pretty low. Rampage's bash gives you complete lane control, good harass, and a controlled kill. Spiritbreaker's bash can give you a kill you should never have gotten or rob you out of kills. It's only ever amazing late game when you have a billion attack speed, but his playstyle is that of an early game hero.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Best way to deal with Gemini:
I have played HoN since the beta and I dont think any hero was ever this OP. Well the Turret was perhaps even more so but that hero was removed :3.
only play BD and BP and ban that fucker till S2 wakes up and fixes him >_<.
I have played HoN since the beta and I dont think any hero was ever this OP. Well the Turret was perhaps even more so but that hero was removed :3.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Nah, the opposite. You'd be competing for corpses.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Even better if enemy team has Behemot...
Lmfao, I need more! That valk leap was incredible.
I asked Haly but he wouldn't hear any of it.
LOL the post below Kappy's, both sarcasm but Kappy got the hammer.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34320418&postcount=3
One by one, we are getting taken out. Who watches the you know Watchmen joke here somewhere.
Kapura never actually argues. He goes straight to the salty point that he thinks everyone should logically arrive to without contributing to the discussion. He seems passionate enough but needs to learn to prep in the kitchen before serving his dishes. Him being banned is like every other Tuesday on planet earth, except somehow your day starts better and the sun shines a little brighter.
Haly seems the opposite, as he actually posts in a structured format and takes the time to plan out what he's thinking before posting. I think he just made the mistake of calling out atheist threads for what they usually end up being - circle jerks. Evilore might have pulled the trigger, as he seems to be as much a champion of the master race as he is of being anti-religion.
I'm not religious by any means, but I used to be due to my upbringing in Manila where being Catholic defined our culture and influenced local laws. I love reading those threads but it's sad how quickly they devolve into branding truly religious people as idiots who are incapable of critical thinking. There are some very nice insights and points made by either party but I think moderation came in too early in that thread. I think that discussing religions should allow for more passion and provide some leeway for posters to provide follow-up replies, especially if the posts they are banned for are preceded with well-meaning arguments and backed by a healthy post history. #FreeHaly
Haly seems the opposite, as he actually posts in a structured format and takes the time to plan out what he's thinking before posting. I think he just made the mistake of calling out atheist threads for what they usually end up being - circle jerks. Evilore might have pulled the trigger, as he seems to be as much a champion of the master race as he is of being anti-religion.
I'm not religious by any means, but I used to be due to my upbringing in Manila where being Catholic defined our culture and influenced local laws. I love reading those threads but it's sad how quickly they devolve into branding truly religious people as idiots who are incapable of critical thinking. There are some very nice insights and points made by either party but I think moderation came in too early in that thread. I think that discussing religions should allow for more passion and provide some leeway for posters to provide follow-up replies, especially if the posts they are banned for are preceded with well-meaning arguments and backed by a healthy post history. #FreeHaly
so whats with mods and not being able to handle real talk
Amen brother. Moody, get Evilore
Lone_Prodigy
Member
That video was awesome.
I can't believe people missed Sanjay's terrible jibe at Haly's expense.
You should be ashamed of yourself for poking fun at people's disabilities.
I saw it, but didn't want to grace him with a reply. It would have been funny except for the fact that Haly lost his hearing from bomb blasts while saving circumcised Christian furries in Florida.
Which still wont be all that effective considering the corpses come out over the duration of his slow and neither of those heroes can hold someone down for the time it would take to set that up.
We don't know the number of charges on his Corpse Throw, but I think it may be enough to chain-ministun someone long enough so that Balph would at least have barfed 3 corpses on him.
So 3 corpses minimum, plus X, where X is the number of charges on Corpse Throw.
Would be infinitely complicated for nothing really though.
I don't even know if this is the wrong thread anymore!
Huskar is a half-ranged, so you should have been able to get some last hits or harass him to hell. Also, I have to wonder what the fuck was your team's composition if they sent Warlock alone in the short lane...(lol jungling Naix, just like jungling pred <_< learnt that the hard way)
But anyhow. You can't win the lane. Can't even break even most likely. I wouldn't do anything different other than maxxing Shadow Word over the other skills. It's meaningless to change your game plan to suit a situation you cannot win, so just aim for your standard Warlock build nonetheless.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Shadow word/stats, probably using it exclusively for healing so you can get that quick 6 and then peace out. Go help other lanes push or gank, because once AM/Husk get close to/get 6 you're just a liability in lane anyway.
Try to ward the pull camp early so you can control the lane.
PillowKnight
Member
Just reminded me of how awful breakycpk is, holy shit I can't even stand him now.
Thanks for the replies guys. Yeah I did just that, max shadow word and go stats. Last hitting was fine but it only got bad when they hit 6 lol - I had enough regen to stay in lane. Will do, next time.
Also Gues, I know this isn't the thread for Dota 2 lol but I was just asking HONGAF :T
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Patch 2.5.7 is out. Gypsy Fayde doesn't look bad but it's 2500 silver for a non-premium alt. Gemini nerf is in the works.
Also, non-HoN related but I finally finished off my Survivor character in Guild Wars.
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/1254/gw011u.jpg
Also, non-HoN related but I finally finished off my Survivor character in Guild Wars.
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/1254/gw011u.jpg