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Heroes of Newerth |OT| Free-To-Play [PC /Mac /Linux]
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thestopsign
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On the urging of one of my friends, I downloaded HoN for the week. I'm a really experienced LoL player, and I played casual DotA for a long time, but this is the hardest I've had getting into any of the games.
I played two practice games this morning, first one I picked Soulstealer (one of my mains from DotA), I did well for a while, but my team got rolled eventually. The thing I learned from this game is a.) it's hard to get away from champs once they get on you b.) losing money on deaths sucks c.) towers do shit to deter people.
Second game I rolled with my other DotA mainstay, Bloodseeker (hunter?), and that went much, much worse then the first game. Other champs really can just stun you for like 3-4 seconds at times... and you really can't do anything after that. I started jungling near the end, and that seemed to work pretty well for him, is that viable at the start of the game?
I played two practice games this morning, first one I picked Soulstealer (one of my mains from DotA), I did well for a while, but my team got rolled eventually. The thing I learned from this game is a.) it's hard to get away from champs once they get on you b.) losing money on deaths sucks c.) towers do shit to deter people.
Second game I rolled with my other DotA mainstay, Bloodseeker (hunter?), and that went much, much worse then the first game. Other champs really can just stun you for like 3-4 seconds at times... and you really can't do anything after that. I started jungling near the end, and that seemed to work pretty well for him, is that viable at the start of the game?
Every time you call a hero a champ it makes me die a little inside.thestopsign said:
Soulstealer is somewhat of a tough hero to play and jungling late game with any hero is good if they need the farm. And yes certain hero team compositions tend to have great stun capabilities, staying with your team helps deter that. Towers still do enough damage in the laning phase to keep heroes off your back. Also, if you don't like losing money on death play Casual Mode.
thestopsign said:
The meta game has shifted since you played dota. Heroes like Bloodhunter are kind of useless simply because he cannot out carry most carries, he has no stun, and he has to go mid. Even if he goes mid, he has to dominate, or he becomes useless late game. Soulstealer is a tough hero to play imo. You need a shrunken head, and a portal key, and you need to outfarm the team because you are a squishy carry.
thestopsign
Member
vocab said:
Good to know. I only ever played DotA with my friends in LAN, so I never got a full team experience much, just the basics. Any recommendations on who I should start with hero-wise?
thestopsign said:
Depends what kind play style you like.
Good heroes to learn with are Witch Slayer, Demented Shaman, Voodoo Jester. You don't need farm on any of these heroes, and you will be useful all game. They are support heroes, but they are really good in the lane. Just play safe. Don't push past your creep wave, always give your self breathing room to watch out for skill shot. Always carry a TP stone if you can, and don't push past the river without your team.
Ikuu said:Just had my best game yet, after (probably) ruining so many GAF games it was nice to actually do well in oneAny other heroes I should check out if I enjoy playing Maliken?
What do you like about Maliken?
Archie said:
Try Plague Rider he's easy mode.
some of the HoN heroes are similar to LoL
Plague Rider = Brand
Sand Wraith = Nocturne
valkyrie = Nidalee(kind of)
either way, most important thing is to learn about denying creeps imo
as in force attacking allied minions to kill them and deny the other team xp
I would never recommend Sand Wraith to anyone who is beginning to learn Hon. He is an end game hero with almost zero early game presence. He needs constant baby sitting or he will feed. He needs to be farming all game. Once he has his first big item, he can show up to team fights, but most his game plan revolves around farming, and then hitting R when a team fight starts or hitting r to basically mop up a kills/assists, and return to farming. Very boring hero that only is fun to play when he's got ridiculous amount of farm.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Kapura said:
Trying to finish game of thrones before tomorrow, i'll turn the stream on though.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Kapura said:
LOL you're playing balph. Get ready to throw in front of testie.
Bubble's first skill (shell surf) is basically the same as Maliken's sword throw except it doesn't return.Ikuu said:Survivability, and I love Sword Throw and then using the Ult
Dangit no it hasnt even been a week yet since I left korea =_=;MrMister said:
Well as of now we have been doing a lot more walking and riding subways. We went to Star Avenue; amazing place, its like a market, shopping mall, food court all in one. Bought some couple tshirts to wear for the studio wedding photos. Very tired but once I get some energy I'll upload more pics.
SouthernDragon
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I was reflecting on my experience with this game, and I realized that team fights are much shorter and have a much smaller tolerance for mistakes. You can't really "spam" anything. It really caught me off guard.
Not that this is good or bad, just that it's different. Might help anyone else trying to ease themselves into the game.
Not that this is good or bad, just that it's different. Might help anyone else trying to ease themselves into the game.
thestopsign said:
im not super pro at this game, but i have managed to mostly pub my way up to 1670-1690 mmr. i cant play carry-style heroes at the higher mmr range- it becomes more and more difficult in my opinion, but here is my two cents.
the game will be hard on you until you know all of the heroes. when you dont realize what your opponents in lane can do (they have two stuns, a slow, a good harass skill) you will find yourself in bad positions regularly without even realizing it. if you are facing a combo of witchslayer and voodoo jester, for example, you might try wandering up to creeps to get a deny or a last hit. as soon as you are in range of them, one will stun you, they will do autoattacks for a moment, the other will stun you, they will continue auto attacks, and before you know it, you have given them first blood. knowing when to play passive and when to play aggressive makes all the difference. knowing that they have a double range lane means you will get harassed a lot if you are melee (so get a iron shield). these are all things that you will learn over time, and if you DONT learn it over time, you will become increasingly frustrated. you dont learn how to win at chess by playing games over and over, you learn how to get good at chess by learning to recognize openings and knowing correct responses, etc.
towers do a lot of damage in normal mode, in casual mode not so much (so diving in casual mode is really common). if you are getting dived on at the tower, it is because your opponent is taking a calculated risk (unless they are crazy) that they have a better chance of killing you then you do of killing them, even with the tower attacking them. this might typically happen if you are low health, they are full health, and you are trying to hide behind the creep wave right by the tower. they know that your health is low enough that if they can stun/disable you and land a few more auto attacks, they will get a kill before you can respond. learn when it is good to hide in the forest beside your towers is important (if they cant see you they wont stun you) and be extra careful when you are wandering around with low health. if you are always getting harassed down to low health in lane, you are probably doing something wrong.
its hard to make recommendations to people of good heroes to start learning with in my opinion. now that there are guides for heroes and all that stuff in game, things should be a lot easier for starting out. just keep trying to learn as much as you can. the game is extremely deep and learning to play well takes a ton of time, but honestly, i think playing well in this game is more rewarding then in any other multiplayer games i have ever played.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
mrbagdt said:
And the worst part about it is that these things are so hard to communicate, and you almost have to learn it on your own.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
I'm starting to play heroes I don't usually play. Tried Tundra and Rampage the other day. Won one and lost the other, but kept my KDR pretty even in both games. In the Tundra game, the Keeper went "carry build" by maxing regen and putting zero points in wards and camouflage. And he built Helm. Yep.
I also hover around 1600-1700 and for that I'm thankful. I've had a taste of 1700-1800 thanks to queueing with kagate and his bros a few months earlier and it was the worst experience with dota/hon I've ever had.
Hey guys can you suggest a good headset for around $40? Playing HoN without one is just gimping myself. -_-
These are the two I was debating between so far:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0041OQKIC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0041OQKIC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
If there is something better for that price range I'd be grateful.
These are the two I was debating between so far:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0041OQKIC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0041OQKIC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
If there is something better for that price range I'd be grateful.
Halycon said:
I have this problem right now where my PSR is too high and I will absolutely never ever pay $20 to have my stats reset. My little brother gave me his new account while he's vacationing for 2 months and my stress levels have been much lower and I've been enjoying playing solo much more often now.Archie said:
DUDE I've been asking you to buy a headset since 6 months ago!!!! Is money an issue? If so then you can step down to something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001E45XT4/?tag=neogaf0e-20
My brothers use this since they prefer speakers:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00009EHJV/?tag=neogaf0e-20
i agree, they are really difficult things to communicate. its one thing to teach someone about where are good places to place wards, but its another to learn that you need to keep an eye on the minimap to watch for incoming ganks from those wards. i hear people griefing all the time about 'you didnt call mia' but the fact is in high level games, you dont hear them screaming in vents MIA BOT MIA BOT, they say things on a very casual level because everyone usually has some idea what is going on in the lanes around them. if you are playing mid, it is in your best interest to keep an eye on the other two lanes because in the current meta game featuring lots of roaming, just calling every single mia gets overwhelming. at high levels, not only are mid-players watching for missing heroes, they are also watching that guy on the other side of the river to see if he starts doing things that show he is preparing to gank. if he is playing unusually close to the creep wave and you know he doesnt suck, he is probably trying to bait you to come and try to initiate on him so you will be out of position. that concept is either learned by watching replays or watching pro players, or you learn it by being caught in that situation over and over and over.Procarbine said:
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the more i think, the more i come up with small, little details that i do now that may not have been obvious. here is another thing that is 'obvious' when you think about it- the placement of you and your lanemate when you are standing in lane. this may not seem that important, but depending on who you are facing, it can be a pretty big deal. if you are facing hellbringer, you should know that hellbringer has a dot that links up between several targets. when i am playing as hellbringer i try to only cast it when the enemy heroes are close to each other and i might get lucky, hitting them both with the dot. if the two opposing heroes dont know any better, they may stand close together occasionally, and as soon as i see that opportunity i am going to cast my spell. the same goes for things like slithers poison spray, all of pebbles spells, graveyard from witchslayer, fissure from behemoth... if you are not consciously thinking about your positioning, you will wind up getting caught occasionally (if you have an opponent that IS thinking about YOUR positioning). this sort of play is obvious at a low level- i know if i am laned with someone who doesnt know what they are doing if they keep standing beside me and i have to keep trying to move away from them. things like that seem sort of silly i guess, but they DO matter.
the one positive thing i can say about all this stuff is that at low levels, bad habits like i am describing are VERY prevalent (on your team and on your opponents team). you can see them occuring all the time. and if you take care of making other players pay for their bad habits (and keep from doing those same habits yourself) you WILL improve in your play and you WILL win more games.
if you play 'normal' heroes (not carries) you can increase your psr over time. this is the road i took from moving from the 1400-1450 range into the 1650-1700 range- i played heroes like soul reaper, slither, hellbringer, pharaoh, KOTF... heroes that dont have extremely difficult skillsets, are not terribly item dependent and have their place in the game throughout the entire game. a normal hero can sit in the lane, get creep kills and creep denies, and slowly work up a lead against their opponent through smart harassing and avoiding getting ganked. sometimes, 'normal' heroes can wind up winning and carrying a game for their team if you wind up dominating your lane and play well.
if you play 'carry' heroes like meeru, (and you are really good at playing those carry heroes) you can increase your PSR much much faster. playing a carry is pretty damn hard though, and is probably the most hit/miss path to take up.
if you play 'support' heroes, i feel you will have a difficult path to increasing your psr. support heroes (andro, ws, voodoo, nymph, myrm) have to be played well to remain effective. you have to know which target is the correct target to stun in every situation and you have to know when is the best time to initiate and gank onto someone. even if you are great at keeping up lots of wards and all that jazz, if the players you are playing with are not good at keeping an eye on the map then whats the point? if your mid cant understand the concept of rune control, what good is it doing? i have found when i play straight support with a pub team that doesnt seem all that organized, i get really angry and frustrated with my play.
now that i am in the 1650-1700 range, i swap between 'normal' and 'support' based on what my teammates pick. i know if we have zero good stuns, somebody like hellbringer or witchslayer can be useful. if we have enough stuns, then id much rather play somebody like soul reaper, slither or pharaoh that can hold their own in the lane and assist when needed. and we already have all of the normal type of heroes, ill try picking the semi carry players like forsaken archer, corrupted, moon queen, that sorta thing. i dont feel comfortable yet in the reign of true carries like swift, madman, magebane, etc.
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Halycon said:Nome's guides are pretty good
No skeletons on FA until 12 nome says, and I disagree :X
spermatic cord
Member
When it randoms Ophelia the announcer should say "PROPHEILA" just to insult you further.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Procarbine said:
What does Nome suggest? Attribute boosts? Split fire???
spermatic cord said:
And then auto-repick.