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Heroes of the Storm |OT| Pretty sure that Abathur is AFK

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He's been nuts in solo queue forever because of his sustain, in competitive he comes in and out.

Good to know. I just wasn't expecting the first character I picked up to be so useful AND easy to learn. It made a great first impression if nothing else. I'm coming over after a good 2 1/2 years of daily dota 2 experience, so I wasn't sure how much I'd have to learn/unlearn for this.
 

Alur

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Gonna try out this ARAM thing. I own all the characters so we'll see how this goesssssss...

Yeah same. Sucks when you get someone like TLV or the like. There's also obvious worse gets for certain roles, like Lili (til 20) for healing, or Tychus. All in all it evens out though.
 
Good to know. I just wasn't expecting the first character I picked up to be so useful AND easy to learn. It made a great first impression if nothing else. I'm coming over after a good 2 1/2 years of daily dota 2 experience, so I wasn't sure how much I'd have to learn/unlearn for this.

He has really good sustain and is nice in that he doesn't need to hearth and fountain as much as other chars, but very little burst. So you'll end up doing a ton of plink-and-plunk damage over the course of the match, but he can be hard to "finish" with sometimes. Still, especially as specialists go, he's pretty easy to pick up, can siege well, and can be a good facet of a teamfight even if he can't 1-vs-1 kill much. Just watch your mana.

Also, remember you can "uncast" your zombie wall if you miss by hitting it again if your missed wall is either (a) in then way of your team's pursuit of a fleeing opponent, or (b) you've accidentally trapped a team-mate.

Once you get really comfortable with Nazeebo the real fun begins with using zombie wall in unexpected ways as a little mobile wall; cutting off chokepoints for a few seconds, keeping an opposing team off a capture point, etc. Same way you can see Leoric players use Entomb in some very, very clever ways if they can think fast enough.
 
He has really good sustain and is nice in that he doesn't need to hearth and fountain as much as other chars, but very little burst. So you'll end up doing a ton of plink-and-plunk damage over the course of the match, but he can be hard to "finish" with sometimes. Still, especially as specialists go, he's pretty easy to pick up, can siege well, and can be a good facet of a teamfight even if he can't 1-vs-1 kill much. Just watch your mana.

Also, remember you can "uncast" your zombie wall if you miss by hitting it again if your missed wall is either (a) in then way of your team's pursuit of a fleeing opponent, or (b) you've accidentally trapped a team-mate.

Once you get really comfortable with Nazeebo the real fun begins with using zombie wall in unexpected ways as a little mobile wall; cutting off chokepoints for a few seconds, keeping an opposing team off a capture point, etc. Same way you can see Leoric players use Entomb in some very, very clever ways if they can think fast enough.

Alright, that is super good to know ab being able to uncast it, didn't realize that earlier and may have mildly hindered my own team in a few spots. It's been such a great spell for cutting off escapes and setting up traps. I found the specialized poison upgrade has made a huge difference during one-on-one fights. Beyond that, yeah, so kind of creativity seems like it's going to be quite necessary here. I love it!
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I once had a glass table that my mom gifted to me (present for when I turned 13).

Dumbest fucking move ever. And I'm not even talking about the hammer slam that got me knee injuries for months.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
What you playing nowadays Yoshi? Hearthstone?
I am playing the life of mass amount of studies and stabilizing crazy exes while trying to socialize with new people and expanding the horizons of friendships. ._.

Happy new year everyone
 

Kioshen

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Hey guys ! Happy new year ! I started playing this game a little bit more actively so I figured I might as well start posting again on gaf.

Relearning the game and adapting to the scaling changes has not been favorable to me at all. Some heroes are really paper thin now holy cow.
 

Maledict

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2 guys picked Rehgar and Uther in HL. I decided to pick Morales. YOLO.

We still lost

Losing should not be a surprise with that comp! I feel sorry for the poor assassin who had to do the lifting there - which poor sod ended up with that job?

Sad things, even three healers couldn't keep a kill target up through the current stun and burst meta.
 

Alur

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SEL happening on McIntyre's stream right now. Thought SEL was dead?

Pretty cool either way. 10/10 would watch again.
 

Alur

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The best map?

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You mean the one map where one specific hero can singlehandedly sway the game?
 

Dr. Buni

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That doesn't mean the map was bad, just unbalanced. They could rework it and bring it back. And then remove Blackheart's Bay permanently from the game.
 

Duress

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They should reduce the price on master skins. I don't think any one spends 10k on a costume, when they can spend it on another character. At least that's my observation online.
 

Strider

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They should reduce the price on master skins. I don't think any one spends 10k on a costume, when they can spend it on another character. At least that's my observation online.

Well yea... but master skins are there primarily to be a gold sink for those that have more than enough gold to cover hero costs. 10k is fine. It's only a cosmetic afterall...
 

Alur

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That doesn't mean the map was bad, just unbalanced. They could rework it and bring it back. And then remove Blackheart's Bay permanently from the game.

They have reworked it and reworked it ad nauseam.

While it's certainly better than it was in the Alpha days, Haunted Mines has been unanimously the most hated map for basically the entire duration of its existence...even before Sylvanas broke the map.

Garden of Terror and Blackheart's Bay have been the next two on the list, though in the case of BB the hate has lessened over time. It used to be #2 with a bullet but now GoT takes that cake since the hero nerfs + map balancing on Infernal Shrines.
 

Zafir

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Well yea... but master skins are there primarily to be a gold sink for those that have more than enough gold to cover hero costs. 10k is fine. It's only a cosmetic afterall...

Well, unless you play a real lot, I imagine even people who have all the heroes don't buy them. :p

I know I don't. I save my gold so I can get each new hero with gold each release, and get the limited mount of the "season".

That said, doesn't bother me as most of the master skins are pretty rubbish. I'd say thats the main problem with their price, they just aren't worth 10k gold regardless.
 

brian!

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For me:

Sky temple
Spider queen
Dragon shire
Cursed
Garden terror
Boe
haunted mines
Booty bay
Infernal
Towers

Only map i kind of dislike is towers tho
 

TDLink

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Nah Haunted Mines is terrible. It snowballs way too easily because the golem resumes where it stopped every time it activates. That means if your first golem is good, even if you get a shitty one for the rest of the game, you'll likely win...as you're already in the "lead" in the golem race.

They need to do something to fix that before it's an ok map. Maybe something like if you lose your buildings in that lane, the golem starts further back or something. Like the Spiders.
 

brian!

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First golem is pretty weak even at 100, but ppl do seem to get pretty tilted when they have to defend against a large skull golem in the beginning

Spiders is prob lower on my list if i think about it more objectively, like the layout of the map and turn in is great but the actual spider phase is kind of whatever (tho it's great for newer players since it more explicitly lays out what your team spread should be like on early objective summon maps like dk/got)
 

Alur

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It's not really about it being weak. It's the simple fact that if you lose it by any significant margin it likely means you both (1) got wiped and (2) lost even more experience cause you are now behind in structures.

At most levels of play soaking both lanes and not going for bruisers is uncommon at best.

And that's before you factor in Sylvanas + anyone doing with an early 30-40 skull golem what a normal group would do with an early 100.

Map has just never worked in a way that the rest do.
 

brian!

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Agree w/sylv being innordinately strong on that map, tho u kno me i cant really blame the map for player mistakes (referring to ppl fighting bad fights inside the mines). I feel more of the moth to flame commit to a bad objective feeling in infernal shrines personally

A lot of what i like about mines probably has to do w/ it's uniqueness, i love the open space/whats around the corner dynamic inside the mines, the vision/door trap dynamic, the usage of mercs (similar to sky temple for me, but less involved obv), and the urgency of the skull phase as the game gets late, if there was another 2 lane map maybe id like it less

Also the skull gathering sound is on point

A cool idea for a map would be the teams getting teleported to a zone to fight w/ 2 different objective conditions (maybe team wipe/hold 2 points out of 3, iunno), id like more maps where the objective is decidedly the right thing to go for
 

TDLink

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Pretty much every map the objective is "decidedly the right thing to go for".

Also Battlefield of Eternity is another 2 lane map.
 

brian!

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oh tru, tho i count the middle as a lane

nah ppl overcommit to objectives non-stop in this game, like this game definitely isnt about goku charging up his kamehameha while piccolo exerts himself w/ his fingers on his alien head charging special beam cannon for 3 episodes until they finally shoot them at each other but I mean one is obviously stronger why did the other one spend all this effort charging up when they could have been training

i dunno I don't hate haunted mines the way a lot of ppl seem to, same w/ booty bay
 

brian!

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As long as they remove Infernal Shrines from the rotation, at least momentarily, I will be happy. I just hate how OP the golem is

you can lure the golem out so it does virtually no damage to structures, jus gotta watch out for their follow up over the wall from his jump, only really need to defend it as a team post-13 maybe and then it's because the enemy team is strong not the golem

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nows my chance....
 

Alur

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wiz makes the best sounds on his stream

LOL, and he looks so damn happy all the time. Hard not to like him.

As long as they remove Infernal Shrines from the rotation, at least momentarily, I will be happy. I just hate how OP the golem is

It's really not very strong at all. Particularly not in comparison to it's golem counterpart since it can and should be baited into leaping into fire.

The problem arises when people try to face tank it at the gate/right outside the gate and it leaps and stuns them and gets them killed, while also not being damaged by the fort or large turret.

People just simply have to know better in that scenario. Thankfully, I see a lot more smart or at least semi-competent play on Infernal Shrines in regards to baiting and soaking lanes than I ever have on Haunted Mines.
 

brian!

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we were doing the gaz e on stitches -> hook someone but it only worked out like twice

i got a minion once and the bomb ragdolled it like crazy, I feel like I am missing out on a lot of gaz bomb ragdoll in this game, pls buff gazlowe
 
So I just started playing this game. Never really played a moba much. I did the tutorial for league and now hots but like HotS a lot. I'm only level 4 though, it's still possible to get recruited by a friend right? Also you get free heroes from it right? If so does anyone wanna recruit me for the mount?
 

TDLink

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So I just started playing this game. Never really played a moba much. I did the tutorial for league and now hots but like HotS a lot. I'm only level 4 though, it's still possible to get recruited by a friend right? Also you get free heroes from it right? If so does anyone wanna recruit me for the mount?

Sure! You get Raynor. Use this code:

https://battle.net/recruit/KLQQCGMFWR


Have to be below level 5, so you should still be eligible.
 
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