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Heroes of the Storm |OT2| Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
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Samurai G0SU
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Just use Raynor all the time, everyday, all day. never think twice about other heroes.
and listen to this secret
dont take advice from me
Watch MFPallyTime on youtube, he has some great character tutorials (earlier videos). He updates frequently as well. Advice? Play cautiously in real matches, play some AI matches for a few heroes to get comfortable, then jump into playing with real people. Map awareness is key in MOBAs, HoTS is no exception. Your minimap will tell you when a team fight is going to happen, when objectives spawn, and if someone is in need of help. You can practice with it in AI matches.
Try to get comfortable with heroes of different types, you never know which hero will suite your playstyle best.
Yeeesss. Malf doesn't cut it.
So THH were talking about how they (for the most part) felt Tyrande was barely changed at all. They also discussed how that was the right move - to incrementally reduce her power instead of destroy her in the same way Stitches, Brightwing, etc. got rekt.
How do you guys feel about it? I agree on both counts. I don't think the nerfs to her were that big at all. Taken as a whole, I suppose it could be a decent nerf, but I doubt that the next time I play her I'll notice them too much beyond the 2 extra seconds for Mark to come off cooldown.
Still, I'd prefer her just get incrementally dropped over time instead of going from top tier to trash tier in one sweep of the hammer.
How do you guys feel about it? I agree on both counts. I don't think the nerfs to her were that big at all. Taken as a whole, I suppose it could be a decent nerf, but I doubt that the next time I play her I'll notice them too much beyond the 2 extra seconds for Mark to come off cooldown.
Still, I'd prefer her just get incrementally dropped over time instead of going from top tier to trash tier in one sweep of the hammer.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I agree with whoever argued for changing her trait.
I don't see what it adds to her playstyle except being ridiculous even before her changes making her a decent healer.
I don't see what it adds to her playstyle except being ridiculous even before her changes making her a decent healer.
I think cleanse buff will have more of an effect on her pick rate then her specific nerfs.
I dont think she needs too many changes, just for supports to become more specialized and thus more pickable as per situation and maybe this includes changing tyrande so she doesnt fit with everything. I like stuff like stun duration reduction but her e is follow up anyway, cc duration reduction has to occur across the board if they want to change things up. Think her trait needs the most attention but it kind of feels like they coded in 25% as a status effect that they cant alter without it affecting all the heroes who have it? Getting rid of stuff like sprint for her would be meaningful and accentuate a weakness for her, or even something like a decrease in auto range tho that might be too much.
I think frequent patches of this nature are excellent, even tho a lot of the tyrande changes are whatever. To me like in the end what makes her strong is her ability to fit everywhere atm and that ability is solely locked in her kit.
I guess id tend towards making other supports better rather than gutting tyrande (dont mean in healing numbers) but thats a lot of work and i dont expect it to happen
I think if they reworked lili itd go a long way
I think frequent patches of this nature are excellent, even tho a lot of the tyrande changes are whatever. To me like in the end what makes her strong is her ability to fit everywhere atm and that ability is solely locked in her kit.
I guess id tend towards making other supports better rather than gutting tyrande (dont mean in healing numbers) but thats a lot of work and i dont expect it to happen
I think if they reworked lili itd go a long way
Well Nova's is really similar to Tyrande's except you get it at 16. Jaina's you gotta be in their face. Not sure how I feel if they changed Syl's though. She needs more diversity at that level 16.
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What do you think they could do with Li Li? I think she's fine as is. There needs to be a "dumb" healer in the mix. Uther says easy, as well as Malf in game, but I'd argue they're much harder than Li Li would ever be.
Naturally. Would always rather see them buff others instead of nerf the OP hero, but no developer has that kind of time and no player base has the kind of patience to wait for them to incrementally increase each one. It's nice in concept, but pretty well impossible in reality for more than a few heroes in each grouping.
I don't know about reworking Lili. I kind of like her where she is. Yes, she'll likely never see much competitive play but she's perfectly viable for our pleb level games. She's got her own unique thing, she's even frustrating to play against. There's enough healers now where she doesn't have to be top end viable to still be simply dece and be a good entry point for new players.
Though if they accidentally fudged some numbers and made Lili as strong of a support as Raynor is damage right now...I wouldn't mind an adventure huehue
Agreed on Nova's, but it puts her at risk and doesn't come til late. It feels like it fits her character...kind of just piercing through your armor and what not. Syl's is OpieOP and always has been. I feel like it's a talent she has to have, but if it only spread the vulnerability to two or three targets instead of the whole team it'd seem a lot less outrageous. Not unlike Chain Bomb, IMO.
Agreed. Uther is still the hardest healer because he requires the most buttons. And Malf requires that early game management. Lili you can just tape down Q and enjoy the ride for the most part, if you are good with Jugs.
Yeah obv blizz has concerns that i dont have like theme and ease of play and stuff
Like i never made it to the pandas in wow, so basically it's pandas = chinese ppl, thats all i know about it
Off the top of my head itd be cool if q was an aoe jar throw that healed allies and did dmg to enemies (this removes her uselessness against stealth and makes her more controllable), and talents would then also be more interesting, none of this oh you can cleanse something but you're fucked if they are stunlocking your full health kael or hey now you have two heal targets isnt that nice. Her w is another why does this exist spell to me, i feel like there is alot you can do with a chain lightning style serpent that can be talented into status effects or something. Her ult is really booty too, i guess you could do a big keg splash type of thing thats like the q i was thinking about that leaves a puddle behind that does something, dmg reduction/amplification?
I dunno i feel like im writing fan fiction here, mainly i brought it up because itd be nice to have a hero that has a bunch of glaring weaknesses lifted up to be competitive and able to do something that a tyrande wouldnt
Its pretty important not to change a hero a lot of ppl like for blizz id wager, but personally the biggest buff for me would be if she didnt have a nightmare face
Like i never made it to the pandas in wow, so basically it's pandas = chinese ppl, thats all i know about it
Off the top of my head itd be cool if q was an aoe jar throw that healed allies and did dmg to enemies (this removes her uselessness against stealth and makes her more controllable), and talents would then also be more interesting, none of this oh you can cleanse something but you're fucked if they are stunlocking your full health kael or hey now you have two heal targets isnt that nice. Her w is another why does this exist spell to me, i feel like there is alot you can do with a chain lightning style serpent that can be talented into status effects or something. Her ult is really booty too, i guess you could do a big keg splash type of thing thats like the q i was thinking about that leaves a puddle behind that does something, dmg reduction/amplification?
I dunno i feel like im writing fan fiction here, mainly i brought it up because itd be nice to have a hero that has a bunch of glaring weaknesses lifted up to be competitive and able to do something that a tyrande wouldnt
Its pretty important not to change a hero a lot of ppl like for blizz id wager, but personally the biggest buff for me would be if she didnt have a nightmare face
Samurai G0SU
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oooooo Tal Rasha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JybO9iBECA
In development video for Xul, Li-Ming, Lunar festival skins/mounts, Valentines Morales.
I'm loving most of what I see there.
In development video for Xul, Li-Ming, Lunar festival skins/mounts, Valentines Morales.
I'm loving most of what I see there.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Brown Beauty Jaina? I'm sold.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Star Princess at all - maybe its an anime reference I don't get?
Everything about Zul looked fantastic - the base model, the master skin, the serpent skin, the serpent mount - gief me all of this now.
Space Lord Leoric, Bloodcount Arthas and Lunar Festival Jaina were also brilliant - I love the very modern look that gives Jaina. Don't think Illidan looked great at all.
I'm going to spend a lot of money over the next month I can tell...
Everything about Zul looked fantastic - the base model, the master skin, the serpent skin, the serpent mount - gief me all of this now.
Space Lord Leoric, Bloodcount Arthas and Lunar Festival Jaina were also brilliant - I love the very modern look that gives Jaina. Don't think Illidan looked great at all.
I'm going to spend a lot of money over the next month I can tell...
Orochinagis
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That wizard alt skin, not my taste of magical girl theme so I maybe will buy the wizard alone. and the goddamm flying serpent thing!!
My only concern with these two heroes releasing is that it looks like both will be a $20 bundle with a mount. Not sure how I feel about that. The mount + skin + hero bundles were like every 3rd of 4th release...this will be 3 heroes in a row with a personalized mount.
I'll get them regardless, but it's a lot of money.
I'll get them regardless, but it's a lot of money.
Well, during one of the interviews that came out of the past couple days, they mentioned that both of these heroes got bumped around in the release order (especially Xul), so they may have originally the mounts intending for them to release more spread out and not against another $20 bundle.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Yeah only getting base versions of them this time round Master Xul looks amazing and base Wizard more than fine enough.
Orochinagis
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Thats why Bliizard is doing it sadly. People will buy it regardless maybe they are just testing how much you are willing to pay until you realized is a lot of money
Who is this Galu, and why does he look like Glaurung?
Samurai G0SU
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Let's roll a team with Jaina, Slyvanas, Mi Ling, and idk who else cause im a nub guys.
I honestly like the default skins for both Li-Ming and Xul best especially Li-Ming's third color. Li-Ming's master is kind of terrible, Xul's is alright I guess. Lunar Jaina looks baller, too bad I don't enjoy playing her. Not really anything I want to spend money on, maybe that serpent mount down the line. I'm not complaining though, good on Blizzard for making great looking defaults.
Yeah great work with the defaults. Xul lookin' pretty evil.
In other news, still not sure I understand this whole Cognitive thing. Glaurung left them less than a month ago...now he's back.
Equinox was on THH last week saying they had prospects they were trying out for MG...now he's the only person left on the team. Wild times.
In other news, still not sure I understand this whole Cognitive thing. Glaurung left them less than a month ago...now he's back.
Equinox was on THH last week saying they had prospects they were trying out for MG...now he's the only person left on the team. Wild times.
Game is dead tho.
Orochinagis
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One of the sorcerer alt color is the female monk , cool
jaundicejuice
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Necromancer's trait sounds like it's a slower but continuous version of Undying's Tombstone. Like the sound of that.
Fine Ham Abounds
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Xul default looks terrible, but I'm down for the Snake God cheese
Arthas is yet another overdesigned trainwreck which would be awesome if only one thing was removed, in this case the helmet
Lunar Jaina looks ok
Loonar Illidan looks like ass
Love Doctor Morales is cute
Space Leoric shoulda been a skeleton astronaut and I will never forgive that missed opportunity
Arthas is yet another overdesigned trainwreck which would be awesome if only one thing was removed, in this case the helmet
Lunar Jaina looks ok
Loonar Illidan looks like ass
Love Doctor Morales is cute
Space Leoric shoulda been a skeleton astronaut and I will never forgive that missed opportunity
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