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Heroes of the Storm |OT3| Chromiehounds
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Nova, even more so than Valeera IMO, requires someone else to help her finish someone from 100 to 0 if you're just talking pure ganking. She has the same problem of people walking away. If they are already injured, both can do about the same. I'd also argue Valeera is at much less risk when doing so from the counter gank due to the Q and the D.
Zeratul I just plain disagree with. Whenever I play with one, they go in a fight and just get chunked by AOE and maybe they do a little work, but most of the time they just end up having to hang outside and hope shit happens. Again, I'm talking about QM, but Valeera being able to stealth at will and immediately as a means of escape and re-engage makes her much better for darting in and out IMO.
Zeratul I just plain disagree with. Whenever I play with one, they go in a fight and just get chunked by AOE and maybe they do a little work, but most of the time they just end up having to hang outside and hope shit happens. Again, I'm talking about QM, but Valeera being able to stealth at will and immediately as a means of escape and re-engage makes her much better for darting in and out IMO.
From the little ive seen of valeera she def seems more bruisy (whether shes good at it or not is another discussion) compared to zera who is more burst and cd orientated (less w/ seeker more w/ wormhole), zera never wants to be autoing blindly in a teamfight outside of specific situations. Zera def better at going in and out (it's his whole design) while valeera often has to commit and weave due to her only mobility being a minidash and stealth being incredibly easy to stop, which makes her ms increase mainly useless.
Also the whole reddit "valeera can oneshot you post-20!" has always been odd considering zeratul has been able to do the same thing...since like forever
Also the whole reddit "valeera can oneshot you post-20!" has always been odd considering zeratul has been able to do the same thing...since like forever
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Zera always has decent waveclear to pick up the slack and pretty good mercing as well.
If your team doesn't enable you just be a pain in the ass and harass the squishies. The first thing you gotta do is instill the fear of venturing out into them.
If your team doesn't enable you just be a pain in the ass and harass the squishies. The first thing you gotta do is instill the fear of venturing out into them.
WonderRade
Member
infested marines hidden in the picture.... stukov?
https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofth...amn_me_if_these_are_not_infested_marines_via/
https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofth...amn_me_if_these_are_not_infested_marines_via/
Sure looks like it. Specialist would make sense for him.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Finally got a team that knew how to play the rooster game but it just spawned all 4 items at the far edge of the area and two of them were newly-appearing dupes that showed up like a full second after the rooster asked for them. It also didn't even activate the game for 4/6 of my games today and I still haven't completed the daily.
They say they're fixing it and a bunch of bugs in a patch tomorrow so I guess we'll see.
They say they're fixing it and a bunch of bugs in a patch tomorrow so I guess we'll see.
jaundicejuice
Member
Valeera's impactful when there's follow-up on her initiation but if it's a 1v1 situation, unless it's a low-health squishy or heavily wounded target, they're gonna eat the cc and burst damage and then mostly likely walk away from the encounter.
She gains 25 armor, takes 25% less damage, and cannot be revealed while in the Smoke Bomb. While she cannot be directly targeted she can still take damage from non-targeted AoE attacks like Samuro's Bladestorm and still die.
That's exactly what the playstyle should be.
I feel like it depends on the enemy comp with Valeera. Some games I don't die at all and can hit and run without issue. Other games they have so much aoe bullshit that I can't even get an opener in stealth. If my team is winning then I'm probably doing fine but if we're getting wrecked it feels like there is nothing I can do to help turn it around.
AI pussy.
scoobs
Member
I've had like zero time to play, it's my best option to get as many games in as I want and learn the hero. Get off me breh
It's a better experience than Quick Match tho.
No.
If you wanna play single player zone out and do whatever there's plenty other games I'd recommend before busting up bots in AI.
I can only do so much by myself plus I was in no hurry. Was experimenting with skills rotations for taking camp ASAP with nazeebro. The next games were half the time but I got 3 roosters wins out of it.
It was supposed to be a dig at quick match.
jaundicejuice
Member
The teams that roll with Valeera as gank squads and coordinate around cheap shot are fucking scary. Stun, burst, with a tank following up cc--stitches hook, artanis dash/swap, pick your poison--into the enemy team and delete. I'm afraid that Blizzard is going to buff Valeera based off of her horrendous winrate when she's pretty ridiculous in the right hands with the right team backing her up. I mean she can be just like Nova, play well and still be on the losing team and ultimately have little to no impact on the overall match. Or just outright feed and throw the match under the bus. But she's so strong as an initiator.
An attentive ETC is a nightmare to play against as Valeera.
An attentive ETC is a nightmare to play against as Valeera.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Is there a personality requirement to play Valeera, because 90% of Valeeras in quick match are like 14 year olds who just outgrew being 13 year olds playing Illidan
3 stealth teams are a nightmare right now, but tbh when more than half the opposing team is stealth I find I spend more time looking at ground textures and catching them approaching me than I'd ever bother otherwise
3 stealth teams are a nightmare right now, but tbh when more than half the opposing team is stealth I find I spend more time looking at ground textures and catching them approaching me than I'd ever bother otherwise
scoobs
Member
Sound a bit salty, best advice would be to not play quick match right now or if you do, play tassadar so you can reveal them constantly. He counters them so hard now
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Oh I always sound salty but I'm not really, honestly that percentage is about right for the number of Valeeras who spend all game bitching and whining so far this week is all
I'm warming up to new Tass somewhat, basically I've been rolling with buffing the D and it's been interesting late game. He's definitely been fun to play this week that's for sure.
scoobs
Member
Oh for sure, but when you think about all else tassadar contributes with shields, slows, and vision it's hard not to be impressed with the damage he can put out too. I think he's gonna be hellllllla strong once people get used to his new playstyle.
Archon turns him into a legitimate backline melter. It's too dope.
Digs draft in this third game is terrible. Truly terrible - they can't kill a single thing. Also zaelia and jpl keep mistaking abilities so they fail to combo (e.g. Etc face melting someone away from a root).
Edit: that was painful. Felt like they shouldn't have won that match at all.
Edit: that was painful. Felt like they shouldn't have won that match at all.
New balance changes boyz. Lots of juicy stuff in there.
Indirect confirmation from one of the current devs that the "Warcraft Asssassin" glut was in part caused by them cleaning out their backlog of very old heroes who had been stuck in the pipeline forever.
https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofth...linchuch_indie_dev_and_former_senior/dczni3y/
https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofth...linchuch_indie_dev_and_former_senior/dczni3y/
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Still moving