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[TheSadRanger]

Only 1 new skin outside of Lucio being added :/

What a bummer, we almost always get at least two new skins for in development videos. I hope this doesn't become a recurring trend.

It's probably Kaplan fking poaching the art team to do more Mei skins -_-

 

[kirblar]

Someone on Reddit posted that if he takes the right talents murky has effectively 6700 health at level 20. Please tell me this isn't true.

Yes, but you also have to

a) pass bubble healing
b) get a permanent 15s death timer
c) die once to trigger the shield

The L20 doubles his size in game, which is funny.

I don't think it really fits with how you want to play him - he's not a tank.

 

[scoobs]

Mewnfare playing his very first game on Lucio, having zero idea how to play, and in a custom game.... just said lucio is a bad healer and he needs buffs. He's played the hero for 14 minutes total. This is why you don't listen to streamers or pros. Their "hot takes" are worthless overreactions.

 

[Prelude.]

I broke the Valla loss streak going back to Nova, played two games, got mvp twice. #1PK2stronk

The last match even had a Zarya that wombo combo'd with me and used pings to indicate when graviton was ready. Absolutely inconceivable stuff.

In the same game I asked Auriel to come heal the team because she kept solo laning while team fights were happening. Literally: "auriel, can you heal the team?" nothing more.

I was already top elims by that time, but the mvp was the icing on the cake.

 

[kirblar]

Mewnfare playing his very first game on Lucio, having zero idea how to play, and in a custom game.... just said lucio is a bad healer and he needs buffs. He's played the hero for 14 minutes total. This is why you don't listen to streamers or pros. Their "hot takes" are worthless overreactions.

You definitely listen to pros.

You don't listen to pros 15m in on balance. (QoL/design stuff is another matter, they can often quickly point out "this feels awful" fast.)

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

You don't listen to Zoia

 

[jaundicejuice]

Falstad and Greymane ult reworks sound kind of ridiculous.

Some of those Murky reworks sound good, like buildings being able to target pufferfish or it being vulnerable to spell damage sound like a positive change. Might slow down the lemming rush he can do if left alone in one lane because you have to be careful where you spit the pufferfish now. But all of the slows, the multiple eggs, the infinite channel to March at 20 all sound super obnoxious.

 

[Maledict]

Murky design is obnoxious. His entire concept is 'fuck off your opponents'. There's literally no design of murky that has him as both viable and not being cancer in the game.

It's a fundamentally flawed concept, and they just need to accept he should be shit for the greater health of the game than try to fix him and accidentally push him back into the meta.

Edit : new greymane ult sounds really cool. Not sure how good it is, but it can do some scary numbers on a full health tank.

 

[Milly79]

Samuro's design is obnoxious.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Y'all talk about chromie and murky like I feel about KT.

 

[Maledict]

Y'all talk about chromie and murky like I feel about KT.

I think you can understand the difference though? KT is a standard hero who does a particular thing, who was too strong for way too long but now doesn't see much play. He was OP - but he didn't exist purely to piss off your opponent. That's what I don't like about murky - he removes the reward factor for killing an enemy hero, he grinds you down constantly whilst nothing you do really has an impact on him or stops him pushing, and he has a freaking invulnerability.

Murky is far worse than Chromie. Chromie is annoying and toxic because her 'thing' is like nova / she exists to delete enemy heroes, and often is playing her own game unrelated to the team. But she's xounterable, and does at least play by the same rules. Murky doesn't, because his theme is fucking you off.

Edit: Milly what don't you like about samuro? I quite like him even if he doesn't seem that strong right now. He's amazing at pve objective maps.

I mean, I can't play him because I utterly suck at melee assassins that aren't Thrall or Ragnaros but even so he seems fun?

 

[Milly79]

Samuro exists to piss you off as well, that's my issue. Like he doesn't do anything, really.

Oh, here I am. No wait, that's not me! Oh, yes it is! Oh well, I've got more clones/stealth up so peace. Like he's just fucking dumb.

 

[Alpha Centauri]

Mewnfare playing his very first game on Lucio, having zero idea how to play, and in a custom game.... just said lucio is a bad healer and he needs buffs. He's played the hero for 14 minutes total. This is why you don't listen to streamers or pros. Their "hot takes" are worthless overreactions.

I saw that. Immediately went to grubby's stream and he made lucio look ridiculously OP (against better competition than Mewn's viewers who played).

 

[jaundicejuice]

Samuro exists to piss you off as well, that's my issue. Like he doesn't do anything, really.

Oh, here I am. No wait, that's not me! Oh, yes it is! Oh well, I've got more clones/stealth up so peace. Like he's just fucking dumb.

Never play Dota if just 2-3 clones annoys you...

 

[Xeteh]

Never play Dota if just 2-3 clones annoys you...

I remember the dark days when the Cancer Lancer ruled over the Dotas.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I think you can understand the difference though? KT is a standard hero who does a particular thing, who was too strong for way too long but now doesn't see much play. He was OP - but he didn't exist purely to piss off your opponent. That's what I don't like about murky - he removes the reward factor for killing an enemy hero, he grinds you down constantly whilst nothing you do really has an impact on him or stops him pushing, and he has a freaking invulnerability.

Murky is far worse than Chromie. Chromie is annoying and toxic because her 'thing' is like nova / she exists to delete enemy heroes, and often is playing her own game unrelated to the team. But she's xounterable, and does at least play by the same rules. Murky doesn't, because his theme is fucking you off.

You're overselling murky a bit. His purpose is indeed to be annoying but he is counterable, just not to a satisfying degree. He's a liability for the opposing team if you have a wizened duelist greymane or the sort of takedown stacker for instance.

KT wasn't just OP, he preyed upon bad positioning of which there's a ton at middling ranks and below and all that on a point and click skill with a low CD.

 

[scoobs]

God damn Grubby is awesome at Lucio already, makes mewn look like a gold leaguer or something. Just watching him play tonight pretty much confirms Lucio will be an extremely powerful support in the right hands with insane play making potential. Speed boosting into wall runs to knock enemies into your team is going to be a blast. He's so fucking slippery that you can dive pretty far into the enemy back line and not be in too much danger.

 

[Kioshen]

(They've said Cho'Gall is being looked at internally )

I'm getting ptsd from team 5 with that speak.

Never play Dota if just 2-3 clones annoys you...

There's also this fine gentlemen here :

Samuro is pretty tame compared to Phantom Lancer or Meepo that's for sure.

 

[Kioshen]

Well apparently Lucio's facial animations weren't done in time for the promo video. Kind of a lost opportunity to be honest because it makes a bad first impression.

 

[scoobs]

Well apparently Lucio's facial animations weren't done in time for the promo video. Kind of a lost opportunity to be honest because it makes a bad first impression.

Gives a little more credence to the idea that Blizz pushed up Lucio's release because of public outcry for lack of supports. I'm fairly confident they had originally planned Stukov to come out next as a specialist but had Lucio mostly finished and went with him instead. The infested Terran in that last promo pic pretty much confirm Stukov's existence. I'd be stunned if he isn't one of the next two heroes released.

 

[Milly79]

For all the Li-Ming haters out there, this is for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZelyCAv_u7E

Yeah, yeah. I know we were so far up, but it's hilarious.

 

[brian!]

got damn

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Played hots for the first time since I think christmas break. Greymane is still the best. There's just something about melee, in part, assassins w/o any form of sustain, makes things exciting.
Just AI for now to finish the lunar race event quickly and because I have to play on my potato tablet and lying on my belly.

 

[kirblar]

Gives a little more credence to the idea that Blizz pushed up Lucio's release because of public outcry for lack of supports. I'm fairly confident they had originally planned Stukov to come out next as a specialist but had Lucio mostly finished and went with him instead. The infested Terran in that last promo pic pretty much confirm Stukov's existence. I'd be stunned if he isn't one of the next two heroes released.

He'll be next. I think they wanted Lucio to surprise people.

One of the Devs implicitly confirmed we have at least 1 D2 hero this year. (My guess: Druid, based on Browder really wanting him in.)

 

[TheSadRanger]

He'll be next. I think they wanted Lucio to surprise people.

One of the Devs implicitly confirmed we have at least 1 D2 hero this year. (My guess: Druid, based on Browder really wanting him in.)

I dunno, I think it will be Baal or Mephisto with their track record on Diablo villains.

Plus with all the WoW characters you really think they would put in a D2 druid over a feral druid?

Also there's already a werewolf shifter in the game with greymane.

 

[brian!]

the knockback from lucio seems pretty strong

 

[scoobs]

Speed boost/wall-run ahead of enemies and pushing them back is going to be so strong. I was watching chu8 play him and using the 2nd ultimate (the damage aura) and he was melting the other team... might actually be viable?

I think we need another Diablo boss next, so Belial, Ghom, Mephisto, Zoltun Kulle, Malthael, or Baal all seem like worthy candidates.

 

[brian!]

i also feel like murky is broken
blizz pls revert

 

[scoobs]

Time to Krill seems like the standout "what the fuck were you thinking" talent so far. 50% slow at level 7? Way to go Blizz. Thought that one through.

 

[jaundicejuice]

I've been spam queuing as Medivh in QM for...reasons. Led to a rather terrible losing streak that I'm now starting to turn around. It's such a weird dance of playing safe and risky, especially when you're building your stacks. The most fun I've had so far was rolling with a Zeratul, helping scout and secure kills.

There's also this fine gentlemen here :

Samuro is pretty tame compared to Phantom Lancer or Meepo that's for sure.

Good Meepos were so far and few between but the good ones were scary.

 

[scoobs]

Samuro is a jungler and hero killer, idk why thats such a bad thing? I don't understand the hate for him here, he almost never gets picked in my drafts anymore and is easily countered with all the detection in the game now. The only reason his win rate is so high overall is he can avoid dying more than just about any other assassin. When you can't feed, you tend to win.

Just sounds like tears from you dirty Chromie pickers.

 

[jaundicejuice]

Samuro is probably the only stealth hero I like because of his utility outside of team fighting. He can jungle and push lanes effectively on top of being a solid ganker and strong prescence in any teamfight. He can also just nope right out of any bad engage, which might be why some dislike him. Mirror Image, Wind Walk and leave almost any gank or teamfight behind.

 

[Xeteh]

Awww yeah, got Artanis. Blizzard made the WoW Tokens work for Battle.net funds so I just got three and bought the SC2 Battle Chest.

 

[kirblar]

Catching up on the Braxis game for GFE/T8 and holy hell Equinox is so bad on Artanis.

edit: Is Taunt effectively a stun or a root?

 

[Maledict]

Samuro is a jungler and hero killer, idk why thats such a bad thing? I don't understand the hate for him here, he almost never gets picked in my drafts anymore and is easily countered with all the detection in the game now. The only reason his win rate is so high overall is he can avoid dying more than just about any other assassin. When you can't feed, you tend to win.

Just sounds like tears from you dirty Chromie pickers.

I think it's just milly, who isn't a Chromie hater either?

 

[scoobs]

I think it's just milly, who isn't a Chromie hater either?

Milly plays mages, so he's probably a filthy Chromie picker.

 

[Maledict]

Milly plays mages, so he's probably a filthy Chromie picker.

I play mages, I just hate Chromie. I don't think she really counts as a Mage...

 

[scoobs]

I play mages, I just hate Chromie. I don't think she really counts as a Mage...

Then you're not a filthy Chromie picker, so you're officially allowed in the secret Chromie hate club.

 

[Maledict]

I'm not sure I've been that secret about it... ;-)

The new murky is ridiculous btw. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but he damage and health later on is utterly, utterly ridiculous. Auto attackers can't touch him, and ability damage dealers can't burn him down enough (plus the invuln). Really not sure what the design intent was here, but right now he feels wildly OP.

 

[scoobs]

Blizzards in a tough spot with Murky, balancing him has got to be such a nightmare.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Now I want Dirty Chromie picker as a tag

 

[Maledict]

I don't think they can. His fundamental design is so flawed as a concept that if you make him viable you introduce a hero into the meta who is so utterly, toxically unfun to play against it pushes people out of the game. It's like Techies in Dota only worse.

It's best for the game if murky remains a joke character, who occasionally gets trotted out by people who love him for silly games. You do not want him to be part of the normal roster of heroes.

 

[scoobs]

problem being of course that there is a very vocal minority of Murky players that will never shut the hell up about making him viable.

I'm positive new Murky will be immediately nerfed into oblivion because he'll ruin quick match.

 

[Maledict]

problem being of course that there is a very vocal minority of Murky players that will never shut the hell up about making him viable.

I'm positive new Murky will be immediately nerfed into oblivion because he'll ruin quick match.

I'm going to be only playing murky in quick match if it goes live like this. He's stupidly broken and I don't want to run into him in that environment. In no healer games it will be even worse.

In drafts he may even be first pick material right now which is scary - although all this caveated that it's really hard to get good balanced games on the Ptr.

I do agree re the vocal minority on him. Blizzard needs to not be listening to them to be frank.

 

[scoobs]

If they nerf the dumb 50% slow, and nerf the talent that makes him literally unkillable, he'll probably be OK. But I'm really not sure since I haven't personally played him yet, just watched streams of him destroying entire teams.

 

[Kioshen]

For all the Li-Ming haters out there, this is for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZelyCAv_u7E

Yeah, yeah. I know we were so far up, but it's hilarious.

Too bad we were kill stealing so much by chain stunning the other team because we would have had more highlights of this game.

 

[brian!]

Catching up on the Braxis game for GFE/T8 and holy hell Equinox is so bad on Artanis.

edit: Is Taunt effectively a stun or a root?

It just forces them to auto attack varian and cancels channeling

A good change to murky would be if they took away his entire egg mechanic. Im glad i effectively stopped playin a while ago cuz this gonna be the worst lol

Or they should make all his deaths count as a full hero death thatd be good

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

there used to be a time hotsgaf loved the murklord.

 

[Kioshen]

I still do honestly. I was fine with him being a niche pick but that rework looks scary.

 

[brian!]

Murky has always been my most hated hero so that might affect my thinking lol