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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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thaivo said:
As we learned from HD-DVD day, Fanboys of either format are large enough to make Amazon charts go crazy when they want.
It's sad that so many people feel compelled to buy things and support companies soley on fanboy notions and don't just buy good films that they want to own. Being someone who prefers the X360 over PS3 and Blu-ray over HD-DVD, watching the crazed group mentality of rabid X360+HD-DVD groups of fans vs. the same mentality of rabid PS3+Blu-ray groups of fans clash is just depressing for humanity as a whole.
plagiarize said:
It's because 300 is not the greatest transfer ever, and the extras had more to do with political reasons than rational or technical ones.
Unless you want a really high quality transfer that can burn up an entire BD50 and still need a second disk since you've got nothing left for extras (that's POTC).
Bebpo said:
I'm sure their financial gurus cooked up all kinds of models to look at and the same results showed up in every scenario... take the money and run.
It sucks, sucks, sucks, sucks, sucks, for consumers. More so for the consumers who want to jump to hi-def DVD, but don't want to hedge their bets and pick the wrong format. The playing field is still stacked in Blu-Ray's favor, but HD-DVD is trying their damndest to level the playing field. And a level playing field is bad for everyone involved except HD-DVD owners in the short-term. Its bad for Blu-Ray owners for obvious reasons and also bad for the aforementioned consumers who are sitting on the fence, because the format war just got dragged out for probably 2-3 more years.
I'm still pissed I won't be getting Transformers on Blu-Ray this Christmas, but I'm not ready to sell my PS3, or get rid of the 6 Blu-Ray movies I own. What I find funny is that studios for the last 2 years have been bitching about terrible profit margins on DVDs. Well, I guess the Transformers DVD is what I'll be getting for Christmas, so Paramount won't make near as much profit off of me as they would have otherwise. But.. when somebody waves that kind of money in your face, money that you can have right now guaranteed, I think any company out there would take it.
In regards to the format war why could Sony not agree with Toshiba this time over HD-DVd like they did with DVD?
Why did Sony want to own a format so bad that they are willing to let there Console gaming die?
From wht i understand has little has 2 years ago both the HD-dvd camp and the Blu-Ray camp were very intrested in 1 format but neither Toshiba or Sony could come to an agreement like they did before with dvd.
Was Sony asking for a bigger slice of pie like they did with Nintendo?
Why is it Sony always tries to have a winning format and they start these wars?
Why did Sony want to own a format so bad that they are willing to let there Console gaming die?
From wht i understand has little has 2 years ago both the HD-dvd camp and the Blu-Ray camp were very intrested in 1 format but neither Toshiba or Sony could come to an agreement like they did before with dvd.
Was Sony asking for a bigger slice of pie like they did with Nintendo?
Why is it Sony always tries to have a winning format and they start these wars?
StoOgE said:
The hardcores might be, but there are A LOT of people in this thread who support Blu-ray who would GLADLY wish death on Blu-ray if HD-DVD looked poised to win. Two formats is fucked up and personally I see a 50/50 split for the next 10 years after HD-DVD drops to dirt cheap and sells a fuckton and PS3 drops to pretty cheap and sells a fuckton.
bc226 said:
The patents that Sony co-held with Phillips on the Compact Disc were expiring and they were set to lose a huge amount of licensing revenue from the CD. Sony has long been trying to establish another dominant form of media for the last 10 years as they knew those patents wouldn't last forever.. see: Mini-Disc, UMD, Blu-Ray.
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womfalcs3 said:
I thought they announced 29 new titles... some are missing here.
Some would argue that point.plagiarize said:
Honestly, Pirates/Apocalypto look significantly better than any HD-DVD release I've seen, and both of these titles push the 50 GB format and push HIGH bitrates with AVC encodings. Yes, it looks far better than 300.
Comparing format neutral releases is a worthless and trivial endeavor, since studios simply use the same transfer.
I wish FOX/MGM would release their backlog of Bond titles on Blu-Ray...that would be freaking huge.
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Alcibiades said:
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Bebpo said:
I'd wager that most of these people in this thread have a Blu-Ray player by way of their PS3. So I can't really agree with that assessment about if HD-DVD were to win.
I dont get how anyone can say this sucks for consumers this will continue to push prices down
and that what consumers want the first to get out sub 200$ players will more then likely win this war for all the HD this and HD that most consumers dont care for, DVD is fine.
And that were all the early adopters forget its gonna be the cheap buyers that decide the folks that maybe spent 30$ for a dvd player or 50 for a vhs player all of you HD nuts who have tons of money great but guess what at the end of the day its the walmart buyers that will decide not you.
and that what consumers want the first to get out sub 200$ players will more then likely win this war for all the HD this and HD that most consumers dont care for, DVD is fine.
And that were all the early adopters forget its gonna be the cheap buyers that decide the folks that maybe spent 30$ for a dvd player or 50 for a vhs player all of you HD nuts who have tons of money great but guess what at the end of the day its the walmart buyers that will decide not you.
shagg_187 said:
They also said that many of their movies this year such as FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer, and the new Die Hard movie would be released day-and-date with the DVD release. I got the impression from the lengthy press release that they were going to try real hard to get all of their theatrical releases from this point forward to release day-and-date with DVD. None of those movies were included in the list.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/technology/21disney.html?_r=1&ref=business&oref=sloginThe New York Times said:
shagg_187 said:
The other 10 are day-and-date titles, all we know so far are Live Free and Die Hard, and Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer. Any ideas as to what the other ones are? The Simpsons, 28 Weeks Later, Sunshine are 3 possibilities, not sure what the other 5 could be.
And I think we don't even have DVD dates for any of those but could be wrong.
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Oh Jesus f*ck me. Now we gotta wait till end of 2008.... by then, there will be more time-exclusives.
Ignatz Mouse
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Shpeshal Ed said:
I'm sorry, I just don't trust that combo players will be the standard at all.
chinaismine said:
That seems to confirm that this is all Microsoft's doing. They have no interest in this war (their codecs are available on Blu-ray too). This appears to be a fairly classic underhanded tactic from MS, where if you can't improve your own standing you hurt the other side, even if you lose even more in that scenario.
I'm surprised why there isn't more angst against MS for pretty much extending the war singlehandedly.
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djkimothy said:
Ditto. Gamer first, movie watcher second. I really like HD movies.
But not enough to spend $300+ on a stand alone player. I refuse to buy the HDDVD addon, because I just don't trust the X360 to stay alive, plus it lacks HDMI, so IMO lacks a point.
Maybe in 2009 with a combo player.
Ignatz Mouse
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Petrarca said:
This is the funniest post of the thread. :lol
wow this is bad news for Blu-Ray only people such as myself (by way of PS3). I'm not a hi-def whore, but I'm not going to buy DVDs anymore now that I've experienced hi-def. I'm also not going to buy a HD-DVD player so woe is me.
I just wiki'd Paramount and Dreamworks for the list of films. Dreamworks has a lot of stuff I want, but Paramount has a few as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Paramount_Pictures_films
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamWorks
Good thing Spielberg's stuff is not part of the deal at least...
I just wiki'd Paramount and Dreamworks for the list of films. Dreamworks has a lot of stuff I want, but Paramount has a few as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Paramount_Pictures_films
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DreamWorks
Good thing Spielberg's stuff is not part of the deal at least...
Shpeshal Nick
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MechDX said:
or DVD :lol
We're doomed to flipper discs. Count on it.
The whole battle and money changing hands for support, etc is stupid, but hey, it makes for interesting threads and I've got no regrets with my 360 HD-DVD drive. Minimal investment, and shit I want to watch now.
The whole battle and money changing hands for support, etc is stupid, but hey, it makes for interesting threads and I've got no regrets with my 360 HD-DVD drive. Minimal investment, and shit I want to watch now.
plagiarize
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we'll have to see how fast they can get the price down on them.Ignatz Mouse said:
it'll depend on what consumers think of them.
if things get desperate then you might yet see a truce of sorts. that's another way the format could end. the two groups making a truce and demanding that all new players become combo players. a long shot but if sales of both were starting to slide (yeah, yeah, 2:1 and all that, but sales of both are still *growing*)
Ignatz Mouse
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StoOgE said:
Buying an HD-DVD player is pretty cheap, expecially compared to buying movies. I'd be *cheering* if BluRay had just died and all the studios pledged strong support for HD-DVD, and I'd be running out enthusiastically to buy a player (and the Universal titles that I am longing for). I make plenty of money, as I douchily asserted long ago in this thread.
No, I'm pissed because best case scenario I have two players to play al my movies, worst case the Xmas HDM flops and studios start pulling out/cutting back.This isn't a console war, the rules of engaement are different.
This sucks balls for movie fans. I guess I could get the 360 add on but I am gonna be limited to 1080i over component and optical for sound. I could get a new HDMI 360, but then might aswell get a stand alone or a combo player. There are quite a few Universal and Paramount flicks I would like to own in HD but I really don't want any extra shit in my entertainment center though, its fucking crowded as is.
Azrael said:
Which would that be because I see both sides pissing away cash to win this war. Toshiba eats money on players and sony ate hundreds on PS3s. MS is just there faning the flames.
Sony could end this war when ever they want. They just have to come up with an entry level player at the same costs as the A series. It is sony who keeps this going by refusing to release a non outragously priced player. Entry level 249 dollar blue ray player kills any advantage HD-dvd had.
This announcement made me just buy a 360 HD-DVD add-on from Amazon. They're practically giving it away at $189 with 5 free movies, but I still didn't want one. Now I guess I can justify it. It's like I'm getting an HD-DVD player for 60 bucks. My five free BluRays with the purchase of a PS3 should be arriving at some point soon, too.
I don't support either of these formats over the other and have been against them in general, actually, but if they're gonna give me all this free shit, what the hell...
I don't support either of these formats over the other and have been against them in general, actually, but if they're gonna give me all this free shit, what the hell...
MechDX said:
Do you honestly want to discuss hypotheticals like that? What happened, happened. Obviously, Sony felt Bluray was the superior format and they went with that for the PS3. This isn't some fanciful do-good environment where companies love to get along. Sony invested heavily into R&D for Bluray (along with other companies, just to make that clear so some people don't keep thinking it's Sony's baby) and they had planned to put it into PS3 for a long time. From a business standpoint, it makes no sense to just throw all that time and money spent away for a competitor's format.
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