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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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bigmakstudios
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why the hell are there blu-ray commercials on universal hd? :lol
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Forsete said:
Wait....is it timed exclusive support from Paramount?
Could you direct me to the infos about this?
Not a fan of Bay's films but, wow, I give him credit for speaking out publicly.
Only the most vehement anti-Sony fanboy would see the Paramount deal as good news. I'm a Blu-Ray owner, but I would rather see Blu-Ray lose outright than this, a guaranteed 2-year stalemate. Nobody's won, as the only way to truly enjoy hidef formats now is to own two players. Last week I could recommend Blu-Ray as it had 80% studio support and it looked like a lock. Now I cannot with a clear conscience recommend either technology.
If it's really Microsoft pulling strings trying to stall things until digital distribution takes off that's truly unfortunate. Digital distribution will be a much more fragmented situation than hidef optical, as it will not guarantee content from all studios will be aggregated in once place. You're going to have the situation where Microsoft's service will only play a handful of studio's content, Sony's will have another lot, and Apple will have another. You're going to need multiple set-tops/consoles and services to fully enjoy DD which makes the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD cockup look organized.
I've been working on DD for one of the studios (we're platform neutral if that's any hint) and watched these contracts come up, stall, then dissolve over and over again. There's just too many players in DD, no one service has all the content, none of them work together, and frankly they all suck at getting the content in the living room.
Hopefully this will all sort itself out before HD hits critical mass.
Only the most vehement anti-Sony fanboy would see the Paramount deal as good news. I'm a Blu-Ray owner, but I would rather see Blu-Ray lose outright than this, a guaranteed 2-year stalemate. Nobody's won, as the only way to truly enjoy hidef formats now is to own two players. Last week I could recommend Blu-Ray as it had 80% studio support and it looked like a lock. Now I cannot with a clear conscience recommend either technology.
If it's really Microsoft pulling strings trying to stall things until digital distribution takes off that's truly unfortunate. Digital distribution will be a much more fragmented situation than hidef optical, as it will not guarantee content from all studios will be aggregated in once place. You're going to have the situation where Microsoft's service will only play a handful of studio's content, Sony's will have another lot, and Apple will have another. You're going to need multiple set-tops/consoles and services to fully enjoy DD which makes the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD cockup look organized.
I've been working on DD for one of the studios (we're platform neutral if that's any hint) and watched these contracts come up, stall, then dissolve over and over again. There's just too many players in DD, no one service has all the content, none of them work together, and frankly they all suck at getting the content in the living room.
Hopefully this will all sort itself out before HD hits critical mass.
CoG said:
QFT
I only Blu-rays but I also would rather see it fail right now (or the other way around for HD DVD). This is like you said just stalling the inevitable of one format dieing and bad news for people who ar eon the fence about adopting or people who just want to enjoy their movies in HD.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
I can't believe Manabyte did that hahahhahahahhahha
Paying more for convenience. Its AMAZING
A modern day paradox. I liked the look of that e-book reader too (was actually thinking about it a couple of days ago. Paying more for a digital copy than an actual book really is ridiculous.
DCharlie said:
Paying more for convenience. Its AMAZING
A modern day paradox. I liked the look of that e-book reader too (was actually thinking about it a couple of days ago. Paying more for a digital copy than an actual book really is ridiculous.
fortified_concept
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:lol:lol:lol @ Manabyte ownage. Bu-bu-but he's objective!
What's interesting about this predicament is where before everyone was looking at Universal - the only major HD DVD studio - NOW everyone is going to be looking at Warner - the now only major neutral studio.
Bill Hunt seems to think that there will be another megaton announcement today. He seems to think that WB may be going HD DVD. I'm not so sure personally because while they certainly have favored HD DVD, they have invested a lot of money in going format neutral (especially with their TotalHD solution). Now more then ever it is looking like they could be the only players coming out ahead thanks to their neutral status.
Bill Hunt seems to think that there will be another megaton announcement today. He seems to think that WB may be going HD DVD. I'm not so sure personally because while they certainly have favored HD DVD, they have invested a lot of money in going format neutral (especially with their TotalHD solution). Now more then ever it is looking like they could be the only players coming out ahead thanks to their neutral status.
Ignatz Mouse
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thaivo said:Well, I own a Toshiba HD-D2, and no BD player. The news is good for HD-DVD, therefore the giddiness.That and I actually do have a dislike for Sony.
What a surprise. The only winners in this announcement are anti-Sony fanboys. Nothing against people who like the idea of digital distribution, do you really hate that some of us want to own physical copies of our library? With extras, no compression artifacts, and portability?
If WB goes exclusive today, that would be huge.
Personally, I think Bill Hunt has gone into "the sky is falling" mode.
Paramount news is huge, but its really hurting HDDVD that their two studios have 10+ absolute megaton movies in their hippocket that they cant release because spielberg has so much control over his films.
Personally, I think Bill Hunt has gone into "the sky is falling" mode.
Paramount news is huge, but its really hurting HDDVD that their two studios have 10+ absolute megaton movies in their hippocket that they cant release because spielberg has so much control over his films.
Ignatz Mouse said:
How does that make him an anti sony fanboy?
He owns HDDVD and is happy that his investment just got new life. That doesnt make him anti-sony, that makes him a selfish consumer. Im in the exact same boat. Im thrilled, I can ensure that I'll have new HD movies to buy for another 12 months without having to pay for a new machine.
So if Spielberg is a blu ray supporter it looks like none of his Universal movies will be coming out anytime soon.
And the following Paramount/Dreamworks will be out on both:
Saving Private Ryan
Catch Me if You Can
War of the Worlds
The Terminal
I think Michael Bay should respond to this by pushing Sony to release Bad Boys 1 and 2.
They can release them, just not exculsively. I think Universal would be free to put out things like Jaws if they went to Blu Ray too, and I bet those movies I just listed are released for both.
And the following Paramount/Dreamworks will be out on both:
Saving Private Ryan
Catch Me if You Can
War of the Worlds
The Terminal
I think Michael Bay should respond to this by pushing Sony to release Bad Boys 1 and 2.
StoOgE said:
They can release them, just not exculsively. I think Universal would be free to put out things like Jaws if they went to Blu Ray too, and I bet those movies I just listed are released for both.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
StoOgE said:
He *said* he hated Sony.
And I suppose you are right, although did anyone think HD-DVD releases were going to stop that soon? Even thought I thought the war had a definitive outcome (wrong!) I didn't think HD-DVD was going to disappear that fast.
chubigans said:
And they confirmed the 150mil payoff:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/t...rss&adxnnlx=1187698143-B5wO3L/F+4r1NyAsum87vQ
I don't really see Paramount's announcement as either good or bad. It's not a particularly surprising turn, given that studios and CE manufacturers have allowed the format war to foment this long. This is just going to inspire the more neutral CE manufacturers to redouble their efforts around dual-format players, which I'd be willing to bet will be under $400 by next holiday, if not sooner. So there's short-term pain for AV/movie enthusiasts, but longer-term gain for all consumers. It's not like the majority of the market was going to be hopping onboard with an HD movie format in the next two years anyway. BD and HDDVD can have their stalemate now because the endgame will be decided for them.CoG said:
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
elostyle said:
I don't hate it. I want it (or BluRay) to die so that a physical medium can flourish. I've been wanting HD-DVD to die becuase it's been much closer to death. This does a lot to keep HD-DVD limping along, thus prolonging the fact that to play HD movies one must have to spearate players (or one, which costs more than one of each).
Would DVD have taken off if it could only play 60% of the movies out there, and you had to buy something else to get the complete set?
This is a stupid situation, and it sucks for me, who values movies over platforms. The platform fanboys are happy, though. Yay stupidity.
AgentOtaku
Member
theBishop said:
crazy...
BotoxAgent
Member
Finally Fox is releasing stuff on Blu Ray:
Fox Home Entertainment and MGM Home Entertainment have issued a joint press release unveiling a long list of Blu-ray exclusive releases for 2007.
As promised earlier today, Fox/MGM has at last broken their months-long silence on their future Blu-ray release plans. The hits-heavy Q4 slate will include a mix of new theatrical blockbusters and top catalog titles, as well as Fox's first-ever TV-on-High-Def release.
Due day-and-date with the standard-def DVD releases, Fox will bring two of this summer's biggest blockbusters to Blu-ray, 'Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer' and 'Live Free or Die Hard' (street dates TBA), along with four day & date BD/DVD new theatrical releases from MGM (all still as yet-unnamed).
Both studios will also issue a combined catalog slate of 19 catalog titles on Blu-ray on North America in Q4 2007 through Q1 2008, with the following confirmed street dates:
October 2 - 'Master & Commander,' 'The Day After Tomorrow'
October 9 - 'From Hell,' 'The Fly (1986)', 'Edward Scissorhands,' '28 Days Later,' 'RoboCop,' 'The Amityville Horror (1979)'
November 6 - 'Battle of Britain,' 'A Bridge Too Far'
November 13 - 'I, Robot'
December 4 - 'Mr. & Mrs. Smith,' 'Independence Day,' 'Cast Away,' 'Ronin
Also in November (exact date TBA), Fox will release the previous installments in the Die Hard franchise, 'Die Hard,' 'Die Hard 2: Die Harder' and "Die Hard with a Vengeance.'
Finally, Fox will release its first-ever TV-on-High-Def release, 'Prison Break' sometime in the fourth quarter. An exact street date -- and just which season(s) of the show will be released -- is still to come.
Select titles are also set to be the first Fox/MGM Blu-ray releases to make use of the format's exclusive BD-Java technology. Among the exclusive extras will be an "Alien Scavenger Hunt" on 'Independence Day,' a "Global Warming Trivia Track" on 'The Day After Tomorrow, and 'Master & Commander' will feature a historical and geographical pop-up map.
Fox Home Entertainment and MGM Home Entertainment have issued a joint press release unveiling a long list of Blu-ray exclusive releases for 2007.
As promised earlier today, Fox/MGM has at last broken their months-long silence on their future Blu-ray release plans. The hits-heavy Q4 slate will include a mix of new theatrical blockbusters and top catalog titles, as well as Fox's first-ever TV-on-High-Def release.
Due day-and-date with the standard-def DVD releases, Fox will bring two of this summer's biggest blockbusters to Blu-ray, 'Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer' and 'Live Free or Die Hard' (street dates TBA), along with four day & date BD/DVD new theatrical releases from MGM (all still as yet-unnamed).
Both studios will also issue a combined catalog slate of 19 catalog titles on Blu-ray on North America in Q4 2007 through Q1 2008, with the following confirmed street dates:
October 2 - 'Master & Commander,' 'The Day After Tomorrow'
October 9 - 'From Hell,' 'The Fly (1986)', 'Edward Scissorhands,' '28 Days Later,' 'RoboCop,' 'The Amityville Horror (1979)'
November 6 - 'Battle of Britain,' 'A Bridge Too Far'
November 13 - 'I, Robot'
December 4 - 'Mr. & Mrs. Smith,' 'Independence Day,' 'Cast Away,' 'Ronin
Also in November (exact date TBA), Fox will release the previous installments in the Die Hard franchise, 'Die Hard,' 'Die Hard 2: Die Harder' and "Die Hard with a Vengeance.'
Finally, Fox will release its first-ever TV-on-High-Def release, 'Prison Break' sometime in the fourth quarter. An exact street date -- and just which season(s) of the show will be released -- is still to come.
Select titles are also set to be the first Fox/MGM Blu-ray releases to make use of the format's exclusive BD-Java technology. Among the exclusive extras will be an "Alien Scavenger Hunt" on 'Independence Day,' a "Global Warming Trivia Track" on 'The Day After Tomorrow, and 'Master & Commander' will feature a historical and geographical pop-up map.
DarkJediKnight
Member
elostyle said:
People keep mentioning that. Cheaper for whom? Consumers? Where? If HD DVD lowers its MSRP to $29.99 and catalog titles to $24.99, then I'd understand.
I'll say this, this war just became a clusterfuck and I have no intention of supporting both formats when there's a very good chance that the studios will just one day drop all this and go digital downloads or come up with a new format. I'll be buying my movies on selective basis from now on. No more blind buys etc... especially catalog titles I already have on DVD. I feel like I'm wasting my money on 2 dead formats.
Crayon Shinchan
Aquafina Fanboy
omg rite said:
Well, after 150 million opening weekend, I imagine Paramount would like to get their hit team back together for the sequel.
It would be amusing if Bay managed to wrangle the Spielberg deal with Paramount on this.
All is not lost of Transformers Blu Ray fans! This is better than nothing
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=148097
1986 Animated Movie coming out on Blu Ray
http://www.play.com/DVD/Blu-ray/4-/3434060/Transformers-The-Ultimate-Edition/Product.html
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=148097
1986 Animated Movie coming out on Blu Ray
http://www.play.com/DVD/Blu-ray/4-/3434060/Transformers-The-Ultimate-Edition/Product.html
Crayon Shinchan
Aquafina Fanboy
StoOgE said:
So. As far as a unified format goes, you think this was good news for it?
If WB flips to exclusive tomorrow, it would be a massive blow to BD and HD in general.
Then you're going to see real gridlock, and marginalization of HD media in general. DVDA vs SACD all over again.
krypt0nian
Banned
justjohn said:
Exactly. I can wait for whatever releases are temporarily HD-DVD exclusive. There are plenty of other things to buy. Enjoy the format warz.
He is right $50million or 100million is more money than either company would bring in by supporting Blu Ray. You really can't blame Viacom for making the decision they did even if it sucks for the consumer.
Yeah looking over release lists I would be more than happy with just Blu ray at this point as it still has the large majority of movies I would buy. the only thing that I would really miss out on would be Transformers, but it appears I might get the chance for the superior movie anyway.
krypt0nian said:
Yeah looking over release lists I would be more than happy with just Blu ray at this point as it still has the large majority of movies I would buy. the only thing that I would really miss out on would be Transformers, but it appears I might get the chance for the superior movie anyway.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
If Warner goes exclusive, mny BluRay buying will slow to a crawl. I'll buy only things I love so much I have to have them in HD. I'll still rent (and probably rent more than ever) but buy very little, and nothing that I wouldn't mind re-buying if/when another format dominates (be that HD-DVD or something else).
Mostly, this means waiting even longer for HD versions of things that there's no real reason I couldn't have today.
Mostly, this means waiting even longer for HD versions of things that there's no real reason I couldn't have today.
Laurent said:
Yes that's assuming the worst for the deal makers. The best scenario for them is that HD DVD wins and they already have time & resources spent on the winning format.
It's a win/win scenairo for Paramount/Dreamworks... at the cost of a lengthy format war which may hurt the industry as a whole.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
I suppose they could go Blu-only...
Not that I want that, but it's make for some good comeuppance for a lot of annoying people here.
Not that I want that, but it's make for some good comeuppance for a lot of annoying people here.
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