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[captive]

Then tell your rich dad to buy a damn Samsung combo player and be done with it.

you need to lighten the fuck up dude.
First off my dad isnt rich, he's wealthy, do you understand the difference. Secondly, he has a PS3, so why would he want a samsung when he doesnt want HD DVD the *still* dying format at this time.

PS i like how you try to come to the rescue of manabyte when even he exhibits his own pattern "oh shit i got owned, ill just ignore all the comments until it goes away and continue to harp that im neutral in this war"

 

[Laurent]

And this is what I get when I absorb New Line with Time Warner, MGM with Sony, etc.

Rank	Distributor		Share	Total Gross	Movies	2007 Movies

1	Warner Bros.		20.2%	$1,327.9	41	26
2	Paramount		18.1%	$1,189.5	15	11
3	Sony / Columbia		16.9%	$1,118.2	38	25
4	Buena Vista		14.9%	$984.2		23	13
5	20th Century Fox	12.2%	$808.5		29	16
6	Universal		11.3%	$745.0		13	11
7	Lionsgate		2.0%	$132.5		11	11

 

[VanMardigan]

You know this how? At this point, neither Manabyte nor Amirm are any sort of reliable sources of information. Heavily spun and edited to suit their own agendas.

Ok, then, take that part out of my quote if you choose. As you can see, focusing on that point (whether Spielberg prefers BR or not) is immaterial to the FACT that his films will be multi format. In that sense, all this manabyte-hate seems stupid. His broader point (the fact that Spielberg movies will be on HD DVD despite what Bill Hunt and others alluded to) has nothing to do with what Spielberg prefers. Paramount CLEARLY STATED that the movies would be multi format.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

DarkJediKnight is saying most of what I think.

And I think it's funny that ManaByte comes to cast a vague and unsubstantiated criticism at a Paramount source the day after he edits down a quote because it doesn't match the spin he's been selling. Mana, *you* are the unreliable one in this picture.

Last, did everybody just let go that comment that Paramount's exclusivity deal isn't really exclusive? As in, they can release BluRay format movies for titles that have reached a certain financial level? When the details of that come out, I expect a lot more ruckus.

 

[djkimothy]

Last, did everybody just let go that comment that Paramount's exclusivity deal isn't really exclusive? As in, they can release BluRay format movies for titles that have reached a certain financial level? When the details of that come out, I expect a lot more ruckus.

That clause is so vague that I really can't speculate. It opens the doors to many possibilities that it's hard to know what will it lead to.

The $150million/18 months is a little more concrete.

 

[VanMardigan]

Captive, if your dad is wealthy and he really cares about HD media, why not suggest the frickin combo player? That way, no announcement from Universal, Paramount, Warner, Toshiba, Sony, your mom, Fox, or Disney will make a damn difference and he can buy any damn HD movie he wants to.

Why wouldn't YOU want that? So he already has a Ps3, so what? Aside from bitter fanboyism, I don't see why someone with the resources (wealth) and the desire to own HD media would shy away from getting a device that gets rid of all the format wars bullshit.

 

[kaching]

Now you (and the rest of the bitter BR entourage apparently) are just dragging it out in another one of your hypocritical moves.

Don't be an enabler for Mana's behavior. He deliberately misled members of this forum by excising and editing comments he presented as direct quotes from the source. In typical Mana fashion, when called on it, he studiously ignores that he's been caught. Now you're trying to say it "doesn't matter". I guess the faction lines really are drawn for some of you.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Ok, then, take that part out of my quote if you choose. As you can see, focusing on that point (whether Spielberg prefers BR or not) is immaterial to the FACT that his films will be multi format. In that sense, all this manabyte-hate seems stupid. His broader point (the fact that Spielberg movies will be on HD DVD despite what Bill Hunt and others alluded to) has nothing to do with what Spielberg prefers. Paramount CLEARLY STATED that the movies would be multi format.

Did you see the rest of his posts today? Quotes from Amirm and damage control trying to tell us what's blatantly obvious isn't happening (i.e. moneyhatting of the highest order).

Plus manabyte keeps calling out other figures for been Blu-ray biased. He's such a friggin hypocrite; how can you not call him for the spade that he is? And even if you're not, because he's a HD-DVD brotha, you can at least save yourself the splashback of his bullshit by not trying to defend the shit he pulls.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Captive, if your dad is wealthy and he really cares about HD media, why not suggest the frickin combo player? That way, no announcement from Universal, Paramount, Warner, Toshiba, Sony, your mom, Fox, or Disney will make a damn difference and he can buy any damn HD movie he wants to.

Why wouldn't YOU want that? So he already has a Ps3, so what? Aside from bitter fanboyism, I don't see why someone with the resources (wealth) and the desire to own HD media would shy away from getting a device that gets rid of all the format wars bullshit.

Why the hell are you so insistent on how others spend their money?

Why shouldn't he be able to exercise the option of waiting for either BD victory (in which case he doesn't buy into another format), or HD-DVD victory (at which point he buys into another format)?

Question is... Why don't YOU pick up a PS3? You get access to MGS4 a bunch of other sweet games to boot. You're not going to get yourself banned again by suggesting that MGS4 could still make its way to the X360 are you?

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Too much console-war mentality, Van.

I could buy a friggin combo player this instant if I wanted one. That completely misses the point that Paramount's move makes it more likely that *both* formats will be niche, and even if they aren't it will lock you into buying combo players (if available) for the next 10-20 years or more.

Imagine that you had to either keep a PS1 hooked up, or buy an expensive audiophile unit, in order to play your CDs. Wouldn't that piss you off? Wouldn't that be inconvenient? Becuase that's what buying into a format (whichever or both) that dies out will be like.

This isn't a game console, where the content will be marginal for most people in 5 years. I have 9-year-old DVDs and 20-year-old CDs. Because those formats got to a certain level, they were incorporated into newer electronics. Do you really think, with its requirement of an ethernet adapter, that HD-DVD will become ubiquitous? Neitehr will, if this format continues.

 

[VanMardigan]

So it's personal, then? If you guys want to bitch at him, go ahead. I just found going after that thing with Spielberg was ridiculous considering it changes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in terms of what we know: that his movies are multi-format.

And it's clear by now that money and promotional considerations were exchanged. Amir stated that MS didn't write the check. If, say, MS had put some funds into the HD DVD Consortium, and those funds were used for the purpose of buying out Paramount 18 month support, Amir is still correct in what he said. This is business, and it's just disgusting to see how up in arms some of you are over the "omgz moneyhatz" when it's par for the course for both sides. EVERY exclusive studio is getting benefits for being where they are. Sony was doing the encoding for Paramount movies, it's why you had Paramount support to begin with. Sony also offered very big incentives for Universal just recently. Were you outraged then?

This is par for the course, stop being drama queens about the moneyhatting just because it didn't help your disc format.


Too much console-war mentality, Van

WTF?? He mentioned the Ps3. Don't even go there.

 

[theBishop]

This announcement looks increasingly like Smoke and Mirrors.

Its 18 months max (could be less based on that AVS post), and there are ways Paramount can still put out Blu-Ray discs if they want to.

Plus, from the sounds of it, they are experiencing a notable backlash in addition to the deal going against their own best interest (selling more BR than HDdvd).

Seems like a HD-DVD PR stunt more than anything to me. Can't blame them, the Blu-Ray PR has done a good job trumpeting even their minor wins. Those things make a difference in public (ok, nerd public) perception.


PS: this is purely anecdotal, but my brother just started training at Tweeter. He said their employees are being trained to push Blu-Ray because it is assumed to be the next-gen victor. They offer both, but are supposed to recommend Blu-Ray.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Manabyte logic:

Bill Hunt *must* be paid off, and called out constantly, everything he says dismissed. No real evidence of it, but it's certainly possible. Amir is a valid source, oh yeah, he works for MS. Take his words as gospel.

Moneyhats are bad, no way the HD-DVD camp employs them. NYT thinks otherwise, of course. Katzenberg let as much slip. Ignore, spin, ignore.

Viral marketers are bad. Call anyone pro-Blu-Ray one. Invent evidence of such marketing. Ignore the one concrete example in the format war because he was paid by the HD-DVD camp.

Spielberg is god. Cover up any evidence that he might prefer one format over the other. Trumpet the false announcement of his catalog titles, steadfastly overlook the retraction and never mention it again.

 

[MaX_PL]

PS: this is purely anecdotal, but my brother just started training at Tweeter. He said their employees are being trained to push Blu-Ray because it is assumed to be the next-gen victor. They offer both, but are supposed to recommend Blu-Ray.

whats tweeter?

 

[ManaByte]

And this is what I get when I absorb New Line with Time Warner, MGM with Sony, etc.

Rank	Distributor		Share	Total Gross	Movies	2007 Movies

1	Warner Bros.		20.2%	$1,327.9	41	26
2	Paramount		18.1%	$1,189.5	15	11
3	Sony / Columbia		16.9%	$1,118.2	38	25
4	Buena Vista		14.9%	$984.2		23	13
5	20th Century Fox	12.2%	$808.5		29	16
6	Universal		11.3%	$745.0		13	11
7	Lionsgate		2.0%	$132.5		11	11

The ONLY thing Sony has to do with MGM is that they distribute SOME of their films (like Bond) while Fox distributes their home video releases. MGM is now its own movie studio again.

http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/31/sony-mgm-fox-cx_po_0531autofacescan01.html

London - "The lion and the calf shall lie down together," the comedian Woody Allen once shrewdly noted, "but the calf won't get much sleep." Perhaps he was foretelling the fate of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer's relationship with Sony. Though the movie maker and film distributor seemed like they should have had synergies that fit like a glove when they merged last year, MGM has today announced that it is dropping Sony as its distribution partner for DVDs and television shows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM#2006

MGM announced that it would return as a theatrical distribution company. MGM negotiated and struck deals with The Weinstein Company, Lakeshore Entertainment, Bauer Martinez, and many other independent studios, and then announced its plans to release 14 feature films for 2006 and early 2007. MGM also hoped to increase the amount to over 20 by 2007.

Lucky Number Slevin, released April 7, is the first film to be released under the new MGM era. It also distributed Breaking and Entering with Miramax Films and The Weinstein Company. Other recent films under the MGM/Weinstein deal include Clerks II and Bobby. Upon the MGM/Weinstein films' release on home video, however, full distribution rights revert to Weinstein (under Genius Products).

On May 31, MGM announced that it would transfer home video output (MGM Home Entertainment) from Sony Pictures Home Entertainment to 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment (excepting those MGM/Columbia Pictures co-productions, such as the 2006 remake of Casino Royale, where Columbia is a majority partner).[2]

MGM also announced plans to restructure its worldwide television distribution operation.[3] In addition MGM signed a deal with New Line Television in which MGM would handle New Line's U.S. film and series television syndication packages. MGM will also serve as New Line's barter sales rep in the television arena for the next two years.[4]

On November 2, producer/actor Tom Cruise and his production partner, Paula Wagner, signed an agreement with MGM to run United Artists. Wagner will serve as United Artists' chief executive. Cruise will produce and star in films for UA and MGM will distribute the movies.

 

[theBishop]

whats tweeter?

http://www.tweeter.com/

 

[AlteredBeast]

You know what's funny. One of the reasons that Disney and Fox didn't want to go with HD-DVD is their lack of region coding. That is one of the reasons that I enjoy HD-DVD over Blu-Ray. This way, I can take advantage of far more films than ones specific to my region.

I don't know exactly why they care, though. That's the problem. Aren't they more concerned with selling product over if an American can by European movies?

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Van, by console mentality, I mean your suggestion (before the PS3 comment) that people should buy both.

It doesn't work that way, for reasons I described. You still have an SNES hooked up? Saturn? And even if you do, how many people you know do?

 

[kaching]

I meant suggesting that there was going to be a megaton like this (not this deal specifically) of any sort. But you're an asshole you know that? It's not like you had said anything along these lines previous to this point... but now after the fact, it's all suddenly; oh it's not surprising at all. Clearly you're not observant if you didn't expect this.

What. A. Load. of. Shit.

Sorry, I'm an asshole for not prolifically posting my moment-to-moment opinion of this format war like you do? I wasn't aware that explicitly stating exactly what one expects to happen before it happens was somehow a prerequisite to declaring you aren't surprised when something does happen.

In any case, back when BD started regularly taking the lead over HD-DVD in weekly sales, I made a point of saying then (when several people were crowing about a quick demise for HDDVD) that I didn't expect this format war to be over anytime soon. It's in this thread. Sorry I haven't reiterated that on every new page for you to see.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

So it's personal, then? If you guys want to bitch at him, go ahead. I just found going after that thing with Spielberg was ridiculous considering it changes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in terms of what we know: that his movies are multi-format.

And it's clear by now that money and promotional considerations were exchanged. Amir stated that MS didn't write the check. If, say, MS had put some funds into the HD DVD Consortium, and those funds were used for the purpose of buying out Paramount 18 month support, Amir is still correct in what he said. This is business, and it's just disgusting to see how up in arms some of you are over the "omgz moneyhatz" when it's par for the course for both sides. EVERY exclusive studio is getting benefits for being where they are. Sony was doing the encoding for Paramount movies, it's why you had Paramount support to begin with. Sony also offered very big incentives for Universal just recently. Were you outraged then?

This is par for the course, stop being drama queens about the moneyhatting just because it didn't help your disc format.


Too much console-war mentality, Van

WTF?? He mentioned the Ps3. Don't even go there.

Now your spin is as bad as Amirm's and Manas. It's obvious that you're not just getting the splashback from Mana's bullshit gone bad, you are a generator of shit unto yourself.

It was pretty obvious to everyone that payment had been made; what's of concern is why it's been made and by who. If it's a payment that stems from MS coffers (regardless of how it's washed), it's obvious that there's some underhanded play going on, against the direct interest of everyone with any vested interest in HD media. Or at least anyone reasonable (i.e. anyone that wants a unified format... which is most of us).

OTOH, you had Mana trying to spin the issue directly as if there were no payments made; posting the FUD article about Paramounts tech team deciding to go with HD-DVD from a technology cost- benefit analysis, not because a huge hat of money had been thrown their way.

Repeatedly, you ignore the fact that what we're really interested in is a unified format and keep trying to play it down the party lines. Do you honestly, in your heart of hearts believe 2 incomplete HD formats is good for anyone interested in HD disc based movies?

 

[Chemo]

That is not the point. Blu-ray movies will outsell HD DVD movies this Q4, I'm sure. But that means jack! Shrek3 and Transformers will nulify the sales of Pirates and Spiderman. Instead of maybe a 3:1+ ratio it might still be 2:1 or less. Which ultimately means a stalemate and this damn war continues.

I think you are overestimating HD DVD player and add-on sales in the face of this blow to HD media in general. Will HD DVD player and 360 add-on sales be up for the holiday season? Of course they will. But they're not going to touch PS3 sales. Nothing is going to nullify the sales of Pirates and Spider-Man to old and new PS3 owners in the HD field -- those films' target audiences are the main install base for PlayStation 3s.

I know this Paramount thing sucks, but without another 2-3 HD DVD money hats, this shit is going to go off pretty much as usual. Transformers/Shrek 3 is the MAJOR coup here, and they'll gain HD DVD a few weeks worth of percentage boosts, but the blue Pac-Man is still going to be munching along on watermelon slices as he has been all year. This is no stalemate, it's just a delay. It could fuck up HD formats in general, but I'm going to remain optimistic. If Warner Bros went HD DVD exclusive, then we'd be at a stalemate. But if they went Blu-ray exclusive, the war would be over within 6 months.

Seriously, though... as long as the PS3 keeps moving at least +/- 100,000 units a month (way more than that starting soon thanks to the holidays) then there's no way for HD DVD to catch up outside of giving players away for free (not that I'd put that past them...). Multiplatform titles will still sell better on Blu-ray, and Sony/Disney/Fox exclusives will have a much better shot at blowing away Universal/Paramount exclusives thanks to the much higher Blu-ray capable install base. The sales aren't going to just turn around, and the studios will move to where the sales are, whether it's now (Weinstein) or later (Universal, Paramount). Hell, sure sounds like Paramount has some upcoming Blu-ray releases anyway, if the restrictions on their exclusivity contract turn out to be legitimate.

So, yeah. The formats are either both fucked, or it's business as usual until Q1 2009 when Paramount is out of their contract and it no longer seems realistic for HD DVD to put up a fight. I really see absolutely no way for HD DVD to win this war outside of somehow convincing Disney to abandon ship. If they did, I'd abandon ship too -- as I've stated on numerous occasions, I am for a one-format future, regardless of what that format may be -- but HD DVD still does not make any sense as a victorious format.

You know what the saddest thing about this entire situation is, besides the delay/loss of a one-format future? That we're this much fucking farther from Criterion jumping on the high def bandwagon. I feel like we were so close before, and this is the kind of announcement that is going to make them take ten steps back to observe for another year.

 

[captive]

Captive, if your dad is wealthy and he really cares about HD media, why not suggest the frickin combo player? That way, no announcement from Universal, Paramount, Warner, Toshiba, Sony, your mom, Fox, or Disney will make a damn difference and he can buy any damn HD movie he wants to.

Why wouldn't YOU want that? So he already has a Ps3, so what? Aside from bitter fanboyism, I don't see why someone with the resources (wealth) and the desire to own HD media would shy away from getting a device that gets rid of all the format wars bullshit.

First of all its not about what i want. Secondly just because someone can afford something doesnt mean that they should or will buy it. My parents put me incharge of building a surround sound system and getting them a TV, you have no idea how hard it was to talk their budget up to get them what they wanted. So no, like i said before they could afford combos for every player in the house, but no they will not spend the money on it, they have other responsibilities. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

 

[TwilightPrincess]

 

[MaX_PL]

First of all its not about what i want. Secondly just because someone can afford something doesnt mean that they should or will buy it. My parents put me incharge of building a surround sound system and getting them a TV, you have no idea how hard it was to talk their budget up to get them what they wanted. So no, like i said before they could afford combos for every player in the house, but no they will not spend the money on it, they have other responsibilities. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

next time dont brag about being wealthy and people will leave you alone.

 

[VanMardigan]

So many illogical arguments here, where to begin?

Why the hell are you so insistent on how others spend their money?

I'm not, he's the one who says that he's wealthy yet whines about the Paramount move when it's obvious that any early-adopter anxiety could be solved with a combo player. Especially for his dad, who obviously doesn't want to get involved in the format wars.


Why shouldn't he be able to exercise the option of waiting for either BD victory (in which case he doesn't buy into another format), or HD-DVD victory (at which point he buys into another format)?

He has every option to wait, but he's here whining about the Paramount move when he obviously has options.


Question is... Why don't YOU pick up a PS3? You get access to MGS4 a bunch of other sweet games to boot. You're not going to get yourself banned again by suggesting that MGS4 could still make its way to the X360 are you?

Unlike his dad, I have limited resources. Besides, despite being on the bad end of a 65/35 split and even when the studio support for HD DVD was just a fraction of what it is now, I wasn't whining. You know why? Because I KNEW what the odds were, I KNEW what the situation was like, I KNEW which movies went where, etc. If you're an early adopter, you take chances. I thought the $160 was a gamble, but I was betting that I'd get enough HD content to make it worth it. And I was right. I already had an Xbox 360.

My other option would've been to purchase a Ps3 for $600. That's a big delta right there, especially since I had a 360 negating the gaming benefits of Ps3 and a TV that doesn't do 720p (negating the only system seller on Ps3, Resistance, IMO). MGS4 and the other "sweet games" aren't here yet, and they were even further away when I picked up the HD DVD player. I made my choice, but I knew what was going on.

I'm not saying you BR folks shouldn't be disappointed, it's obviously bad news. But if you were the ones expecting HD DVD to fold this holiday season, for Uni to go neutral by CES, etc. then blame yourself for getting your hopes up. Blame yourself if you don't' want an HD DVD drive. Blame yourself if you didn't think early adopting didn't have perils. Blame yourself if you're so emotionally attached to one format that it prevents you from dealing with the realities of a format war that will likely keep some of your favorite movies from releasing on the format YOU chose.

 

[captive]

next time dont brag about being wealthy and people will leave you alone.

You obviously dont know who van is, i could have said anything and he will try and push hd dvd.
And i wanst bragging i was illustrating a point.

 

[Laurent]

The ONLY thing Sony has to do with MGM is that they distribute SOME of their films (like Bond) while Fox distributes their home video releases. MGM is now its own movie studio again.

Take a deeeeeep breath...

My mistake, sorry!

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Van, this turn has really brought out the asshole in you. Emotional attachments my ass, I think a split format for HD is really, really stupid. This prolongs that indefinitely, and worse, put physical HD media's mainstream adoption in question. If I had bought nothing yet, I would still be pissed off. It's not the cash, it's the future outlook. I have enough money.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

I'm not saying you BR folks shouldn't be disappointed, it's obviously bad news. But if you were the ones expecting HD DVD to fold this holiday season, for Uni to go neutral by CES, etc. then blame yourself for getting your hopes up. Blame yourself if you don't' want an HD DVD drive. Blame yourself if you didn't think early adopting didn't have perils. Blame yourself if you're so emotionally attached to one format that it prevents you from dealing with the realities of a format war that will likely keep some of your favorite movies from releasing on the format YOU chose.

I should be self loathing because paramount higher ups make a greedy selfish deal that screws over its consumers? Fuck you.

 

[yacobod]

Ignatz lets be serious here

the console war mentality has always been present in this thread as far back as i can remember (on both sides), i dont want to point any fingers in that regard, but lets not pretend its just errupting now

i think the thing is that bluray has been dominating for 8-9 months, so this sudden news has galvanized the hd-dvd supporters (dead format amirite), and sent the hardcore bluray guys in full spin damage control

lets wait for friday numbers to come out, things will be back to normal, we wont know what effect this will have on anything until the holiday season

there is way too much over-reacting on both sides atm

 

[Petrarca]

posting from a shitty connection in Jakarta, gotta help my blu-boys in the time of need

Exclusive: Spielberg "Big Supporter" of Blu-ray

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...ay_Future_HD_DVD_Releases_Still_Uncertain/878

Confirming mounting speculation, we've got exclusive word this morning that Steven Spielberg is indeed "a big supporter" of Blu-ray, and that yesterday's carve out in the Paramount/DreamWorks HD DVD announcement was designed to allow the legendary director to release future titles on Blu-ray.

With many of his early blockbusters distributed by Universal Pictures ('E.T.,' 'Jurassic Park' and 'Jaws,' among them), it was once assumed that the combination of Steven Spielberg's classic titles and Universal's exclusive HD DVD support would be one of format's biggest weapons against rival Blu-ray, but a series of developments have led many to speculate that perhaps Spielberg himself has other ideas.
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The first hint of trouble for HD DVD came back in February when the HD DVD promo group issued a public apology to Spielberg after listing several of his titles in a "Coming Soon" list that was apparently never approved by the director.

Then, just last month came news that the very first Spielberg high-def title -- a 30th anniversary edition of 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' -- would be released on Blu-ray, not HD DVD. (That release is due November 13, day and date with the standard-def DVD edition.)

Finally, yesterday's stunner of a Paramount/DreamWorks HD DVD exclusivity press release included a conspicuous one line carve-out, stating that Spielberg's DreamWorks films would be exempt from the terms of the HD DVD exclusivity arrangement, opening the door to the possible future release of more recent Spielberg blockbusters on Blu-ray.

So what's the deal? We put that question to the source for all things Spielberg -- his longtime spokesman and DreamWorks marketing exec Marvin Levy. Speaking exclusively with High-Def Digest, Levy confirmed Spielberg's active support of Blu-ray with the selection of 'Close Encounters' for his next-gen debut.

"It was important to Steven that if any of his films were to be released [first] on high-definition, that it would be a classic," said Levy. "Steven is big supporter of Blu-ray, and chose 'Close Encounters' to be the first of his films on either format."

Spielberg approved the new high-def transfer made for the film, and among the Blu-ray's supplements is a new introduction recorded by the director specifically for the release, as well as a storyboard comparison.

Levy further clarified the Paramount/DreamWorks press release, syaing that "...his movies, like 'Saving Private Ryan' and 'War of the Worlds,' are not included in that deal. They are not exclusive to HD DVD, nor [are they] planned for that format at this time.'"

Levy went on emphasize that beyond 'Close Encounters,' Spielberg has no other films in the high-def pipeline on either format. "At this moment, there are no plans for something further [on either format]. Anything in the future will be decided on a title-by-title basis. There certainly won't be more titles in 2007."

 

[jjasper]

So could his dreamworks movies come out on Blu Ray and not HD DVD?

 

[SRG01]

http://m1.freeshare.us/169fs205352.jpg

That comic is made of FAIL.

 

[Petrarca]

So could his dreamworks movies come out on Blu Ray and not HD DVD?

possibly

 

[VanMardigan]

Van, this turn has really brought out the asshole in you. Emotional attachments my ass, I think a split format for HD is really, really stupid. This prolongs that indefinitely, and worse, put physical HD media's mainstream adoption in question. If I had bought nothing yet, I would still be pissed off. It's not the cash, it's the future outlook. I have enough money.

It IS about emotional attachment (especially after all the debate that goes on here). Thing is, we were headed for a split market when Sony/Toshiba couldn't come to an agreement (which sucks for EVERYONE here). I know you and a lot of other folks here were hoping/praying for a swift BR victory so you could have your unified format, and that's understandable. However, those hopes and prayers were based on sales data from a very small sample of the actual home media market and the assumption that Toshiba/Universal/MS would concede without making any major moves such as this Paramount deal. I don't think it was realistic.

It's not that I don't empathize with you about wanting a single format, it's that I pretty much had already resigned myself to a dual format future, even as I bought my 360 add-on. I knew that I would eventually have to buy a BR player (Ps3) or a combo player. I truly understand that you were hoping YOU wouldn't have to.

 

[captive]

It IS about emotional attachment (especially after all the debate that goes on here). Thing is, we were headed for a split market when Sony/Toshiba couldn't come to an agreement (which sucks for EVERYONE here). I know you and a lot of other folks here were hoping/praying for a swift BR victory so you could have your unified format, and that's understandable. However, those hopes and prayers were based on sales data from a very small sample of the actual home media market and the assumption that Toshiba/Universal/MS would concede without making any major moves such as this Paramount deal. I don't think it was realistic.

Oh please dude, dont even pretend that if MS hadnt bought paramounts loyalty yesterday that HD DVD would have even stood a chance this holiday season.

 

[Cheebs]

posting from a shitty connection in Jakarta, gotta help my blu-boys in the time of need

Exclusive: Spielberg "Big Supporter" of Blu-ray

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...ay_Future_HD_DVD_Releases_Still_Uncertain/878

That introduction is not blu-ray only or has anything to do with blu-ray. It's on the DVD as well. They implied it was BD only.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Levy further clarified the Paramount/DreamWorks press release, syaing that "...his movies, like 'Saving Private Ryan' and 'War of the Worlds,' are not included in that deal. They are not exclusive to HD DVD, nor [are they] planned for that format [HD DVD] at this time.'"

This is funny. Unfortunately Bay doesn't have a chance of wrangling any similar deal despite his objection to the issue. Probably because they didn't tell him about it before hand.

Would've been a hilarious deal if it turned out to be:

Paramount/Dreamworks exclusive. Except for Spielberg movies. And Transformers. Which are both BD exclusives.

 

[Petrarca]

That introduction is not blu-ray only or has anything to do with blu-ray. It's on the DVD as well. They implied it was BD only.

don't matter, what matters is that this is the first time his party confirmed where Spielberg's stance is in this war

 

[DarkJediKnight]

So could his dreamworks movies come out on Blu Ray and not HD DVD?

No. They won't come out on either until after the Paramount deal expires.

 

[Laurent]

This is funny. Unfortunately Bay doesn't have a chance of wrangling any similar deal despite his objection to the issue. Probably because they didn't tell him about it before hand.

Bay != Spielberg. He's good and all, but Spielberg is considerated legendary... Bay will get there, but he's not from the same generation... I don't think he could have objected to this deal even if he was told before it happened.

 

[ManaByte]

This is funny. Unfortunately Bay doesn't have a chance of wrangling any similar deal despite his objection to the issue. Probably because they didn't tell him about it before hand.

Is there a Michael Bay quote about this somewhere?

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

No. They won't come out on either until after the Paramount deal expires.

Reading that press release doesn't give this impression at all. Where are you getting it from?

 

[Laurent]

Is there a Michael Bay quote about this somewhere?

http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/21/michael-bay-responds-to-paramounts-abandonment-of-blu-ray-no-t/

Paramount pisses me off! I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For them to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks! They were progressive by having two formats. No Transformers 2 for me!

It's forum is now member only...

UPDATE: WOW, THE THREAD IS DELETED... He removed his comment!?

 

[ManaByte]

Reading that press release doesn't give this impression at all. Where are you getting it from?

A "source" on AVS.

 

[VanMardigan]

Oh please dude, dont even pretend that if MS hadnt bought paramounts loyalty yesterday that HD DVD would have even stood a chance this holiday season.

And I assume you figured that, knowing this, HD DVD wasn't going to make any moves? Yep, I know you did, because you built an entertainment set without considering all options and now you have to explain to your dad why he has to watch an upconverted dvd copy of Transformers. :lol

 

[Days like these...]

QFT.
And yet those of us that are rational enough to see this as bad news for hd media are suppsedly drowning the hd dvd fans in bitter tearns.

Days like these, show me my bitter tears, oh there arent any, shut the fuck up moron.

lol how about I paypal you $20 and you calm the fuck down? Why haven't you been banned? you have to be the toughest most badass internet forumer ever!

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Is there a Michael Bay quote about this somewhere?

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2299

Forum down right now, I imagine because a bunch of other nerds are linking to it.

But to paraphrase Michael Bay; Fuck Paramount, Fuck Transformers 2.

 

[jjasper]

Is there a Michael Bay quote about this somewhere?

He said it himself on his own forum. said he wasn't going to do Transformers 2 because of it.

 

[Laurent]

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2299

Forum down right now, I imagine because a bunch of other nerds are linking to it.

But to paraphrase Michael Bay; Fuck Paramount, Fuck Transformers 2.

No the forum isn't down, the thread as been deleted...