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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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djkimothy

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I can't believe it. But the Spielberg thing has made the 6 o'clock news on Global TV. It's reaching mainstream.

This was either an incredibly smart move or an incredibly stupid one on the part of Paramount.
 
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Mrbob

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I really don't think there is anything to damage control.

It is still going to take another year or two for HD movies to go mainstream, and by then Blu Ray will be the clear leader. The Paramount deal will be up and the will be seeing blu.

The biggest part of the Paramount deal, Spielberg movies, aren't HD DVD exclusive at all.
 
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Crayon Shinchan

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djkimothy said:
I can't believe it. But the Spielberg thing has made the 6 o'clock news on Global TV. It's reaching mainstream.

This was either an incredibly smart move or an incredibly stupid one on the part of Paramount.
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When they start reporting that Spielberg and Bay and shit weren't happy with this deal... that their stable of directors were all WTF, then this shit is going to blow up in Paramount's faces.
 
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Cold-Steel

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Spielberg and Bay are part of the little director entourage that includes Coppola, Lucas, Cameron, and others.

They all seem to like Blu-ray a lot more than HD-DVD.
 
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ManaByte

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Cold-Steel said:
Spielberg and Bay are part of the little director entourage that includes Coppola, Lucas, Cameron, and others.

They all seem to like Blu-ray a lot more than HD-DVD.
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Well Cameron's ONLY movie on Paramout (or Dreamworks) is just some little movie about some boat. Not that anyone would care about that movie or anything.

Terminator - MGM
Aliens - Fox
Terminator 2 - Lionsgate
True Lies - Fox
The Abyss - Fox
Little boat movie - Paramount
 
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Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
ManaByte said:
Well Cameron's ONLY movie on Paramout (or Dreamworks) is just some little movie about some boat. Not that anyone would care about that movie or anything.

Terminator - MGM
Aliens - Fox
Terminator 2 - Lionsgate
True Lies - Fox
The Abyss - Fox
Little boat movie - Paramount
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Haha. HD-DVD fans, your head shill has spoken; don't count on Titanic been released exclusive to HD-DVD.
 
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djkimothy

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Bah. lame bit on Global. It just summarized everything we knew with the addition of the Paramount announcement.

Didn't even elaborate on it.
 
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DarkJediKnight

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Sorry to get a little off topic, but can someone clarify this for me?

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Anyone own the 10th Anni Ninja Scroll? I heard it has a DTS soundtrack in English and Japanese. Can anyone confirm?
 
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chubigans

y'all should be ashamed
Crayon Shinchan said:
Haha. HD-DVD fans, your head shill has spoken; don't count on Titanic been released exclusive to HD-DVD.
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It better get released within the next 18 months or it's coming to Blu-Ray too. :lol
 
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Pristine_Condition

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ManaByte said:
I did NOT change the quote to fit any agenda. I directly quoted the article as it was on AICN at the time. Sometime last night when I was offline Pristine_Condition noticed the article was different from what I posted and nailed me to the wall over it. Sure it's perfectly fine for The Digital Bits to change their rant, but when AICN changes their article after someone quotes it, whoever quotes the original article gets accused to selectively quoting something.
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For the record, I didn't "nail you to the wall" for it, ManaByte. I simply read the quote and pointed out that something was missing.

Actually, the quote of aintitcool that I compared your quote of aintitcool to, when I noticed the discrepancy, was found in a post on the HighDefDigest forums that was made just around 2 hours after your original post. So, if the post on aintitcool was indeed edited by the writer, it was done quite soon after your post here.

If you'll notice, in my original post on the discrepancy, I addressed only the discrepancy, and didn't participate in excessive finger-pointing at you, or name-calling, anything else in any way. I only addressed the discrepancy as "strange" a couple of times, and let it drop. Even after you returned to the thread in the morning and posted more times without addressing the issue, I didn't "call you out" or anything.

So, I hardly think my one post constitutes "nailing you to the wall" or whatever. The fact that other people picked up the ball and ran with it is not really something I can do anything about.
 
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Chemo

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Oni Jazar said:
Something I noticed about fox... their PR release mentions "28 Days Later" but their new bd website ( http://www.foxbd.com/ ) shows "28 Weeks Later" in the background. I pray that both come out!
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Mannnnnn... fuck, I hope it wasn't a damn typo. I have zero interest in Weeks but want Days like crazy.
 
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Oni Jazar

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Chemo said:
Mannnnnn... fuck, I hope it wasn't a damn typo. I have zero interest in Weeks but want Days like crazy.
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Well the PR release says "6 day and date titles" but that list doesn't show all six so we may get both.
 
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purnoman3000

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ManaByte said:
Well Cameron's ONLY movie on Paramout (or Dreamworks) is just some little movie about some boat. Not that anyone would care about that movie or anything.

Terminator - MGM
Aliens - Fox
Terminator 2 - Lionsgate
True Lies - Fox
The Abyss - Fox
Little boat movie - Paramount
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You do realize that little boat movie is part of Fox's releases.
 
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Warm Machine

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Crayon Shinchan said:
When they start reporting that Spielberg and Bay and shit weren't happy with this deal... that their stable of directors were all WTF, then this shit is going to blow up in Paramount's faces.
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Paramount doesn't have to clear anything with the directors they have worked with unless it is written into their contracts and 99% of the time it is not. Every decent director has worked for every studio at one point. Nothing would ever get done in terms of releases if everything had to get cleared. Paramount owns the majority of their films and they are free to release them as they see fit.
 
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Crayon Shinchan

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Warm Machine said:
Paramount doesn't have to clear anything with the directors they have worked with unless it is written into their contracts and 99% of the time it is not. Every decent director has worked for every studio at one point. Nothing would ever get done in terms of releases if everything had to get cleared. Paramount owns the majority of their films and they are free to release them as they see fit.
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Of course this kind of stunt could dissuade good directors from working with that studio.
 
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Christoff Yurievich

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djkimothy said:
Bah. lame bit on Global. It just summarized everything we knew with the addition of the Paramount announcement.

Didn't even elaborate on it.
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I really doubt that particular bit was to satiate the hardcore, and was probably more of a "hey general public who has no idea what Blu-ray or HD-DVD are, this is what's going down" kind of thing.
audioholics article said:
I asked my friend if he used his PS3 to view normal DVDs, he didn’t because he already has a 5 disc DVD changer. He didn’t even know about the upconverting feature or the improved sound quality. The games have been so bad on the system that he’s only played it once and he never got around to integrating it into his HT setup! His excuse for not knowing all the features was because of the obscene amount of paperwork that arrived with the PS3.
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what? there were two books that came with the PS3 and both of them were fat only because of the French and Spanish sections that had to be included. someone has an illiterate friend.
 
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djkimothy

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bune duggy said:
I really doubt that particular bit was to satiate the hardcore, and was probably more of a "hey general public who has no idea what Blu-ray or HD-DVD are, this is what's going down" kind of thing.
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Well they promoted it as new news since they mentioned Speilberg in it but all they did was inform the consumer what studios are on what side. With the latest Paramount development included. However they never really mentioned what Steven's involvment was so I'm sure that it'll fuel even more confusion. I thought the bit would touch more on the Paramount deal.

The impression they gave was that people are just going to wait it out. What we've all been predicting.
 
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JB1981

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i was seriously considering buying the hd-dvd add-on after hearing this news, but now that I know Spielberg's movies won't be coming out I'm gonna stick it out with my blu-ray player, I mean PS3:lol
 
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Christoff Yurievich

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djkimothy said:
Well they promoted it as new news since they mentioned Speilberg in it but all they did was inform the consumer what studios are on what side. With the latest Paramount development included. However they never really mentioned what Steven's involvment was so I'm sure that it'll fuel even more confusion. I thought the bit would touch more on the Paramount deal.

The impression they gave was that people are just going to wait it out. What we've all been predicting.
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ah. so your usual news bit about something like this. k then.
 
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Pimpwerx

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Meh, whatever. The timer on the HD-DVD deathwatch keeps getting small bumps, but it's still counting down. Remember the end-game, folks. ;) PEACE.
 
The Main Event

The Main Event

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Pimpwerx said:
Meh, whatever. The timer on the HD-DVD deathwatch keeps getting small bumps, but it's still counting down. Remember the end-game, folks. ;) PEACE.
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Just when I thought I wouldn't see that comment again in this thread after the Paramount news. :lol
 
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Warm Machine

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Crayon Shinchan said:
Of course this kind of stunt could dissuade good directors from working with that studio.
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No it won't. If a director can get $200 to make the movie they want to they won't think twice about a decision that effects less than 1% of the current home video market.
 
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Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
The Main Event said:
Just when I thought I wouldn't see that comment again in this thread after the Paramount news. :lol
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Honestly, what do you think is going to happen?

BD still has 4 exclusive major studios, that combined, produce far beyond the combined weight of HD-DVD's exclusives (maybe not this year to date).

PS3s will continue to sell better than HD-DVD players for this season

BD 1.1 comes into play, so the iHD advantage is nullified

Paramount exclusivity expires in 18 months. Some of their most significant catalog titles can't be released in that period.

Universal has no guarantee on exclusivity.


So... either they both end up dying and sucking, or BD continues to win.

In what reasonable scenario do you see HD-DVD beating BD? (as opposed to stagnating both of them)
 
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Cold-Steel

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If the Blu-ray Association drops standalone player and PlayStation 3 prices across the board this Fall, we could possibly see a clear winner by Summer of 2008.
 
The Main Event

The Main Event

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http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136253-c,dvdtechnology/article.html

Alan Bell discusses why HD DVD is his studio's exclusive high-definition format.

PCW: Presumably, making this move wasn't something you did lightly. What led up to the decision to shift your production exclusively to HD DVD?

Bell: Paramount has been getting experience with publishing titles in both formats for the last year. We've had a hands-on ability to see how these formats work in practice. And after some hands-on analysis, we decided that HD DVD was the format we wanted to support.

PCW: Why was that?

Bell: For one thing, the lower prices of the players: It's good for consumers, it's good for our customer base.

For another thing, HD DVD came out of the DVD Forum. The DVD Forum is very experienced at developing and managing specs. [HD DVD] was launched in a very stable way, with stable specifications, and they had specified a reference player model, so all players had to be compatible with the HDi interactivity layer, and all players had to be capable of the interactivity. So when we publish titles in the future that have interactivity, we can be assured that every HD DVD player will be able to handle this content.
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PCW: What about the additional capacity of Blu-ray, which has 50GB dual-layer discs, as opposed to HD DVD's 30GB dual-layer discs? Some studios have cited the additional capacity as necessary. Are you going to miss having the extra headroom?

Bell: This is a little bit overrated. Making a choice like the one Paramount has made is a multifaceted choice: It depends upon manufacturability, the reliability of players, the cost, the infrastructure that's developed to support our creation of titles. Many different factors came into play--including capacity. When Paramount made this decision, we considered the broad spectrum.

If everything else were equal, more capacity would be better. Why not?

But if you convert the playing time, a 30GB disc gives you somewhere between 3 and 4 hours of capacity. It depends upon the nature of the movie and how you compress it. There's no compromise on the quality. We've found that 95 percent of movies are less than 2.25 hours long. With a disc whose capacity is 3 or 4 hours, you can put a fair amount of bonus material on that disc as well. So 30GB with the option to add another disc is fine, from our point of view.

PCW: What if the multiple soundtracks and high-definition bonus materials won't fit on a single disc?

Bell: If there's an overflow of bonus material, we'll just go to another disc. That's not an issue for consumers. In some cases, they consider that it has more value. It's done routinely in DVD. Why put every single title on a high-capacity disc if it doesn't need it?

PCW: Do you expect capacity needs to change in the future?

Bell: A 45GB disc is under development. [Editors' note: This disc has been in development for two years.] Secondly, compression will become more effective. The number of minutes you get on a disc depends upon how much you can compress a movie. As we gain experience with the new codecs, the ability to compress at high quality will be improved.

Capacity is a factor, but it's not an overriding factor. In the grand scheme of things, the better proposition for consumers in our view, and for our business needs, is HD DVD.

PCW: Up until now, how have you approached coding your discs for HDi and BD-Java?

Bell: At this particular point in time, we've been able to supply more features with HDi and HD DVD than with BD-Java and Blu-ray Disc. What we have typically done in practice is that we've created the interactive scenarios in HD DVD and then tried to pull them into Blu-ray. But that has not been entirely possible: Some things we can do in HDi are not supported in BD-Java. If you're going to do BD-Java, you need someone who's capable of programming at a low level. With HDi, you don't need somebody with that additional level of training. We don't need programmers to code our discs.

PCW: Do you think users are interested in the interactivity on these discs?

Bell: Interactivity is an important part of why you would move up from DVD. Yes, [high-def] has a great picture, but is that enough? Connectivity is something that studios will grow into, and it's something that we believe studios will grow into.

We're thinking about [having media servers to provide extra content via the Internet], but those kinds of investments cost money. The motivation to do them grows as the installed base grows. If we see there's a sufficiently large installed base to justify the cost of the server, we'll do it. Right now we're concentrating on getting a great picture out, and great interactivity.
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The important part:

PCW: Will this exclusive period extend for a limited time, or is this an indefinite arrangement?

Bell: At this moment in time, it's an indefinite commitment. The core of this announcement comes from our experience, and what our consumers are looking for. We hope this will influence consumers' choices.
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Bulla564

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PCW: Will this exclusive period extend for a limited time, or is this an indefinite arrangement?

Bell: At this moment in time, it's an indefinite commitment. The core of this announcement comes from our experience, and what our consumers are looking for. We hope this will influence consumers' choices.
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I think he will be unpleasantly surprised this holiday season.
 
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M3wThr33

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Cold-Steel said:
If the Blu-ray Association drops standalone player and PlayStation 3 prices across the board this Fall, we could possibly see a clear winner by Summer of 2008.
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NO! Only HD-DVD players can drop in price! It's all they have, man!
 
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FortunateSon

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I didn't read but what? Honestly, what happened? :lol :lol :lol :lol

Paramount going exclusive is idiotic to me. Now, how am I going to get MI3? Man I LOVED MI3, even moreso than the 1st and 2nd ones. Oh man, this blows. Tranformers too? Wtf is this shit?

Don't the directors have the right of choice, like Spielberg and him wanting his movies on both formats, can't Bay do the samething?

This sucks. Paramount why? Why torcher me? I was about to buy the whole damn Blu-Ray MI package. Goddamn you.

Now I won't have Ultimatum and MI3. Wow, just wow. Like Paramount, you did a great ammo service to all the HD-DVD fanboys and delivered a whole lot of bitterness. Fuck you.

So if I'm getting this straight, I'm talking major studio support. Sony/Fox/Disney AGAINST Universal/Paramount?

Warner is NEUTRAL right?

Man, Paramount has some AMAZING titles. At first I thought, it was only Universal and I can live without Universal movies but now uh...


Paramout, you will pay for this. This holiday baby, this holiday.
 
The Main Event

The Main Event

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http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2304

Last night at dinner I was having dinner with three blu-ray owners, they were pissed about no Transformers Blu-ray and I drank the kool aid hook line and sinker. So at 1:30 in the morning I posted - nothing good ever comes out of early am posts mind you - I over reacted. I heard where Paramount is coming from and the future of HD and players that will be close to the $200 mark which is the magic number. I like what I heard.

As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision.

So today I saw 300 on HD, it rocks!

So I think I might be back on to do Transformers 2!

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I think Michael Bay is pretty cool.
 
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