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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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purnoman3000
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FortunateSon said:
Ummm, why can't you buy MI3 on Bluray right now?
If he were discussing why HD DVD is his studio's exclusive high definition format, it would have been an entire interview about how awesome money was, and it would have taken place in a money bin where they were smoking high grade rolled in $1000 bills while they sat on cash-stuffed pillows drinking whiskey over cold diamonds.The Main Event said:
Gotta hand it to him, though. This mother fucker learned to talk the HD DVD talk with a quickness.
FortunateSon
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I think I will wait 18 months too. I think everyone will start doing that. Lol. Well, exclusive Blu-Ray owners at least or maybe not...
Or get the inferior DVD version and upscale that shit.
I don't think this will have much of a big impact. Just a bump for HD-DVD. People are acting as if Sony doesn't have any studios left.
As long as Warner is neutral, this is just making the format war last more longer but if Warner somehow decides to go with Blu-Ray, then I guess it's back to Blu-Ray takeover watch or not? I put the emphasis on IF and SOMEHOW x1000.
Or get the inferior DVD version and upscale that shit.
I don't think this will have much of a big impact. Just a bump for HD-DVD. People are acting as if Sony doesn't have any studios left.
As long as Warner is neutral, this is just making the format war last more longer but if Warner somehow decides to go with Blu-Ray, then I guess it's back to Blu-Ray takeover watch or not? I put the emphasis on IF and SOMEHOW x1000.
FortunateSon
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purnoman3000 said:
:O You could? I didn't know. Going to HMV tommorow stat!
Thanks brother, now I don't think I giove a shit about Paramount. Holy shit.
It actually turned out pretty well for me then I guess.
But can someone tell me when does the 18 month exclusitivity takes place? So I can start couting down the months? :lol :lol
FortunateSon
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yacobod said:
Now that would be what I call some HARD SPIN.
Cold-Steel
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The Blu-ray Association frowns upon Michael Bay's change of heart and looks forward to welcoming this prodigal son back into the fold one day.
Nah The Grudge sucks... I'm listening to the american sequel right now in HD on TMN, it's okay, but not as great as the japanese Rings!lupin23rd said:
Oh and I don't get it. This morning, everybody thought Michael Bay was cool to wish his movies would be available on both formats, and now everybody thinks Bay is cool to be HD-DVD exclusive? What the...?!
Ignatz Mouse
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Cold-Steel said:
:lol
krypt0nian
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Cold-Steel said:
18 months later once the exclusive ends and they get to release the films again. =)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136253-c,dvdtechnology/article.html
"18 months" and "indefinite" are somewhat different.
"18 months" and "indefinite" are somewhat different.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
MechDX said:
So is "exclusive" and "exclusive except for Spielberg films" and "exclusive except maybe some other movies too." (Last one not quite substantiated yet, but from the insider comments.)
krypt0nian
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They should also have a pac-man clause because this is going to be ugly.
HomerSimpson-Man
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krypt0nian said:
Just in time to promote Transformers 2's theatrical release no doubt with a HD double dip for all!
krypt0nian
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HomerSimpson-Man said:
Some explained this to Bay.
"Michael, by the time this exclusive is done, you'll only just be shooting Transformers 2"
"Oh snap. I'll post a retraction lol"
Wulfer
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Hey, you guys better be careful what you start asking for Blu camp. You were calling for the top directors at Paramount to start questioning there moves for their studios. Why did you think this would only affect Paramount and the HD-DVD camp? If I were you I'd shut up while your ahead other wise you may find yourself reaping what you sow. I'll bet not once while you were belly aching you didn't think that the directors of Fox, Disney and yes even Sony could turn around and start asking the same question.
What is the question you ask? Simple why am I not getting paid more or they could say you better start releasing on HD-DVD because I want a cut of those sales too. I'll bet not even once you guys thought of this senerio. Guys are you clueless that the movie Studios, Writers, Actors/ess and Directors are about to go back to the table and re-negotiate royalties on who gets how much? Those talks start next year!
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/shows/2007/06/29/AM200706298.html
All this bitching you guys did is just bring these type issues up for even more discussion at the negotiating table next year. Get ready for it because if you think that Sony, Disney and Fox are immune to such talks you sadly mistaken!
What is the question you ask? Simple why am I not getting paid more or they could say you better start releasing on HD-DVD because I want a cut of those sales too. I'll bet not even once you guys thought of this senerio. Guys are you clueless that the movie Studios, Writers, Actors/ess and Directors are about to go back to the table and re-negotiate royalties on who gets how much? Those talks start next year!
http://marketplace.publicradio.org/shows/2007/06/29/AM200706298.html
All this bitching you guys did is just bring these type issues up for even more discussion at the negotiating table next year. Get ready for it because if you think that Sony, Disney and Fox are immune to such talks you sadly mistaken!
Ignatz Mouse
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"reap what you sole"?
Also, watch the generalizations. I'm not wishing for this. I'm just bitching. I'm not even doing damage control ("pipedream" post aside). I even said that getting Transformers/Paramonunt's next was a score worth the cash.
Also, watch the generalizations. I'm not wishing for this. I'm just bitching. I'm not even doing damage control ("pipedream" post aside). I even said that getting Transformers/Paramonunt's next was a score worth the cash.
Christoff Yurievich
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wtf did I just read?WULFER said:
first, i'm a blu-ray supporter and won't buy a HD-dvd player unless i ever get a 360 dirt cheap then i'd get the add-on as i am a gamer first then movie-watcher so i wouldn't want to get a stand-alone. now with that said, losing paramount sucks, i wanted transformers, shrek not so much as i'm not a fan of the 2nd or 3rd one but nevertheless it sucks.
a thing i don't understand and maybe some people can explain it to me and maybe its illegal or what not but couldn't toshiba/hd-dvd group/microsoft whoever supplied the $150 million have spent it better then paramount exclusive for however long.
If i was HD-DVD side, couldn't they just cut the price of toshiba's hd-dvd player to $99 dollars. They would lose money but i'm sure it would be cheaper then the $150 million. Or couldn't they somehow make arrangements with current studios to make the price of HD-DVD's cheaper by $10 since the total disc sales of HD-DVD are a million or around there. That would still be cheaper then $150 million and imo it would easily end the war because who wouldn't jump on HD-DVD if it had players for $99 and hd-dvd's for 19.99. Maybe they couldn't sustain it forever but maybe have this big promotion for 6-12 months where the prices would be that cheap to create hype and get people to buy especially for the holiday season.
Like why not do this, as a Blu-ray fan i'm glad this didn't happen but hypothetically, couldn't the HD-DVD camp do this especially if they had $150 million to spend, who cares if they lose $xxx amount of dollars on hardware and software because i'm sure it wouldn't come close to the $150 million they spent.
a thing i don't understand and maybe some people can explain it to me and maybe its illegal or what not but couldn't toshiba/hd-dvd group/microsoft whoever supplied the $150 million have spent it better then paramount exclusive for however long.
If i was HD-DVD side, couldn't they just cut the price of toshiba's hd-dvd player to $99 dollars. They would lose money but i'm sure it would be cheaper then the $150 million. Or couldn't they somehow make arrangements with current studios to make the price of HD-DVD's cheaper by $10 since the total disc sales of HD-DVD are a million or around there. That would still be cheaper then $150 million and imo it would easily end the war because who wouldn't jump on HD-DVD if it had players for $99 and hd-dvd's for 19.99. Maybe they couldn't sustain it forever but maybe have this big promotion for 6-12 months where the prices would be that cheap to create hype and get people to buy especially for the holiday season.
Like why not do this, as a Blu-ray fan i'm glad this didn't happen but hypothetically, couldn't the HD-DVD camp do this especially if they had $150 million to spend, who cares if they lose $xxx amount of dollars on hardware and software because i'm sure it wouldn't come close to the $150 million they spent.
Yeah, right. Like there is some magical team of directors somewhere that high def owners give more of a shit about than Spielberg, Lucas, Cameron and Coppola. Once these mysterious forgotten megaton guys surface and start screaming about how much they love HD DVD and how much they want their Sony- and Fox- and Disney-distributed films on the format, then I might start to worry.WULFER said:
Wulfer
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Chemo hold on to your seat we'll see how much this will affect you starting in October when the writers of our movies (ok) go on STRIKE! Now you think you might be a little bit more worried? This is a real issue and you might pay attention to it, instead of smarting off. Why do you think the studios are trying to produce so many movies right now. Why don't you take a stroll over to IMBD see just how many movies are being made! It might shock you. The negotiating starts next year when the Actors/ess and Directors follow suit next June!
Of course, but everything you're saying is ridiculous and you sound like you're wearing a tinfoil hat. "My" movies are either decades old or made by directors who are in the business for the art form, not the money or glory.WULFER said:
Bring on some fucking strikes. It has nothing to do with the films I want in high definition, nor does it have anything to do with my personal entertainment.
StoOgE said:
Ummm ... what?
While obviously Speilberg is a more pressing concern due to the Dreamworks purchase, you can't be serious that they "don't care" about these directors voicing their concern.
Last time I checked, they're all still directing movies. If Paramount simply says fuck you, they're basically kissing goodbye getting those directors for future movies.
Holy crap, that's a short-sighted statement.
i didnt say they dont care, just not enough about to get the spielberg deal. which had more to do with the contract he allready has in place plus the sale of dreamworks. he owns his movies anyway and they really dont want to piss him off
the reason these guys are upset has much more to do with royalties than the format war.
cameron/spielberg/etc arent going to turn down projects from uni/para just to make the blu boys happy. i know you want to think that but its not the case
the reason these guys are upset has much more to do with royalties than the format war.
cameron/spielberg/etc arent going to turn down projects from uni/para just to make the blu boys happy. i know you want to think that but its not the case
Ignatz Mouse
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I really don't think directors are going to have much sway in the format war. Whole studios are up for grabs, not mere individual directors. Not to mention, none have the influence of a Spielberg.
Ignatz Mouse said:
bingo.. and speilburgs power has little to do with him being a director.
everyone but wb has a dog in this fight now... and the money from exclusive studios pays just as well... i just dont see the format the movie releases on stopping a producer/director from taking a big payday as niche as this market is
Rabid Wolverine
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Ok. So is there any way Transformers will be released on Blu-Ray in other countries that Paramount doesnt distribute?
Eg - Japan which has Face/Off out already not from Paramount.
Eg - Japan which has Face/Off out already not from Paramount.
Ignatz Mouse
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StoOgE said:
"speilburgs"?
That's just lazy!
StoOgE said:
Based on what? If the directors express that this will be a consideration for future movies ... which is highly likely ... you don't think Paramount would make a deal?
No kidding :lol That's my point. They will considering royalties when deciding what studios to go with for future movies. You seem to be under the impression they've all retired or something.
Seriously ... are you blind?
You've already answered why they would want a BD release, and it isn't necessarily to make 'blu boys happy'.
Skiptastic
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shagg_187 said:I believe you considering i chose Sega over SNES myself, even though i got SNES a few years later
Hey, I did that too! Genny all the way baby. Didn't get the SNES until I was mourning the Dreamcast's demise announcement :'(
Mefisutoferesu
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/t...rss&adxnnlx=1187698143-B5wO3L/F+4r1NyAsum87vQ
Posted? 150 Million money indeed.
Posted? 150 Million money indeed.
distantmantra
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Rabid Wolverine said:
Nope, Tranformers is distributed by Paramount, Universal and/or Dreamworks outside North America.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/companycredits Looks like Paramount has it worldwide...Rabid Wolverine said:
ugh. I want this goddamn movie in HD but I can't fathom spending 200 bucks for 1 movie.
Ignatz Mouse
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My feedback online:
Dear Paramount--
Let me register my deep dissatisfaction with your decision to support HD-DVD exclusively for High-Definition movie releases. I am an avid movie fan and consumer, and this ensures that I will buy no more HD releases from Paramount, as I have chosen BluRay as my format of choice. I rarely buy DVDs these days, and so will not be purchasing Paramount releases for the forseeable future. Like so many, I have chosen the format with the majority support. I cannot buy into a format with only a minority of support, such as HD-DVD.
Signed,
- A movie fan who just wants all his movies in one place
Dear Paramount--
Let me register my deep dissatisfaction with your decision to support HD-DVD exclusively for High-Definition movie releases. I am an avid movie fan and consumer, and this ensures that I will buy no more HD releases from Paramount, as I have chosen BluRay as my format of choice. I rarely buy DVDs these days, and so will not be purchasing Paramount releases for the forseeable future. Like so many, I have chosen the format with the majority support. I cannot buy into a format with only a minority of support, such as HD-DVD.
Signed,
- A movie fan who just wants all his movies in one place
Wulfer
Member
Ignatz Mouse said:
Ignatz Mouse, seriously I would normally agree with you but, big changes are coming soon. this is just a small piece of things up for discussion!
http://www.ibls.com/internet_law_news_portal_view.aspx?s=latestnews&id=1618
See in the 1980s there were no digital distribution going on and it was ruled in the studios favor they they pretty much got all the royalties from that. This is just one small reason a strikes about to take place. Studios feel they they are getting stiffed and left with the bill, Actors/ess feel they should get even more money because without them a movie can't be made and ditto for writers and directors. It's one big mess that about to come to a head. Everyone wants more (big shock there) and no one wants to take a cut.
The royalty guide book is about to be re-negotiated and everyone's preparing for a long hold out to see who caves first! Well, we'll see what comes of this starting next year!
VictimOfGrief
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Last night at dinner I was having dinner with three blu-ray owners, they were pissed about no Transformers Blu-ray and I drank the kool aid hook line and sinker. So at 1:30 in the morning I posted - nothing good ever comes out of early am posts mind you - I over reacted. I heard where Paramount is coming from and the future of HD and players that will be close to the $200 mark which is the magic number. I like what I heard.
As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision.
So today I saw 300 on HD, it rocks!
So I think I might be back on to do Transformers 2!
Michael Bay
That shit is real? :lol Wow!!
As a director, I'm all about people seeing films in the best quality possible, and I saw and heard firsthand people upset about a corporate decision.
So today I saw 300 on HD, it rocks!
So I think I might be back on to do Transformers 2!
Michael Bay
That shit is real? :lol Wow!!
BoboBrazil
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I'm so sick of this fucking war already. This shit is just adding to the mass market confusion. Fuck Toshiba for paying off Paramount and Dreamworks. 150 million for 18 months though? I'd take it too. Blu-ray is the superior tech. All movie studios should use it to create the nicest titles. I don't care about any stupid ass war. I am getting more apprehensive about buying hd titles every day though, because I don't want to be stuck with movies on a dead format...
Crayon Shinchan
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BoboBrazil said:
I've felt that way for so long about DVD :/
although it's more superseded then it is dead.
KachoMakura
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The Main Event said:
Sounds awesome.
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