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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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Gattsu25

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Ignatz Mouse said:
OK, I believe you know. Now answer the question about why so many people were ready to believe you'd do that.
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Holy shit, man. You don't have to admit defeat but you can stop acting like a tool.
 
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Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew

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Skiptastic said:
Moving past people ganging up on ManaByte, I have the following three comments to make:

1. As someone who broke and bought the Xbox 360 add-on at Best Buy with the 300 deal, I'm glad to see that HD-DVD is not going down easy.
2. The inner-Sega fan in me glows with the fact that Sony doesn't get their way.
3. I doubt that I will decide this format war, so who cares! Wheeee!
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Sony didn't kill Sega. Sega Killed Sega.
 
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gkryhewy

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fortified_concept said:
oh snap. You win this round, oh objective one
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You of all people bitching someone out for objectivity. Is it because he claims to be objective, whereas you make no pretense?
 
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Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew

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Josh from AVSForum

OK, here it is. As far as the Spielberg situation goes, it is true that any of his movies on Paramount:

Indiana Jones Trilogy
Saving Private Ryan
War of the Worlds

If released in the next 12 months will be on Blu-ray exclusively or dual-format. She has worked directly with the Spielberg camp for some time now and she has the understanding that Spielberg has the same agreement with his titles on Universal. So this means that when the following films are released in HDM, they will be on both formats if this agreement holds:

ET
Jurassic Park
Jaws

Now on to the suprising part of the phone call. She mentioned that several Directors, including Michael Bay, Francis Ford Coppola and even James Cameron have voiced their frustration to Paramount with this decision. She said she would not be surprised to see similar agreements reached with Coppola and Cameron as what has been reached with Spielberg.

Does this mean if The Godfather Trilogy and Titanic are released on HDM they will be on both formats? I do not know, but it seems like these Directors are going to put-up a fight.

She also mentioned that today they are getting more complaint calls from talent, producers and executives then yesterday. She said it is a madhouse right now. She also mentioned they recieved thousands of emails from Paramount customers over the past 24 hours voicing their displeasure for this decision.

That is all I have for now. I am going to leave her be for a few days as I can tell she is VERY busy. I may contact her again on Friday.

It will be very intersting to see how all of this falls out. I am starting to have my doubts that Paramount will be HD-DVD exclusive for a year IMO.

~Josh
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gkryhewy

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She also mentioned they recieved thousands of emails from Paramount customers over the past 24 hours voicing their displeasure for this decision.
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Petrarca's getting a lot of mileage out of that 32k connection in Jakarta.
 
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Laurent

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If Copolla, Bay and Cameron have it their way like Spielberg does, then what's the point of giving a moneyhat?! Do you think Paramount will back down if they get that many complaints?!
 
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Chemo

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Laurent said:
If Copolla, Bay and Cameron have it their way like Spielberg does, then what's the point of giving a moneyhat?!
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Heh, the post said that Coppola and Cameron may have their way, but didn't mention anything about Bay getting his, only that he wanted it. :lol
 
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thaivo

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Chemo said:
No "BR fanboy" that I've seen has understated the importance of Transformers or Shrek 3.
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I agree with you.... Well other than... Snah
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Snah said:
True, everyone does have different tastes, but I see Transformers being exclusive as pretty much less impacting than Matrix or Batman being HD-DVD exclusive.
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Snah said:
I'd wager that Batman Begins on Blu-Ray would outsell Transformers on HD-DVD.
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Flo_Evans

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Laurent said:
If Copolla, Bay and Cameron have it their way like Spielberg does, then what's the point of giving a moneyhat?! Do you think Paramount will back down if they get that many complaints?!
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Not allot of directors have the sway that Spielberg does. Some of them may not be happy about it but they don't own their movies and there is not much they can do but bitch. :(

edit: what is the paramount general bitching email address? I'll send them one :lol
 
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Crayon Shinchan

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ManaByte said:
I DID NOT FUCKING EDIT ANY GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT QUOTE FROM AICN
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:lol :lol :lol :lol

Ok ok! I believe you. But you gotta admit, it was a pretty hilarious spot. And you certainly can't deny you didn't do anything to deserve it! :lol
 
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Laurent

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Flo_Evans said:
Not allot of directors have the sway that Spielberg does. Some of them may not be happy about it but they don't own their movies and there is not much they can do but bitch. :(

edit: what is the paramount general bitching email address? I'll send them one :lol
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There is no contact email or form on their website, which sucks! I've googled and found out Brenda Ciccone mail address, she must be in PR or something: brenda_ciccone@paramount.com. I've emailed her in a polite matter, I am expecting you guys will act the same way.

It's just that, from what I am reading, Paramount is getting more complaints than what they seemed to have anticipated...
 
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Christoff Yurievich

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meh. stupid lack of ethernet cable that is 150 feet long. why aren't these things wireless?
Xater said:
Ok then go there and show me the player that does the stuff I need and costs 400€. :lol
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you should clarify your original statement then. you might be in Europe but Europe != everywhere else. instead of "doesn't exist lol" it should have been "haven't been announced for Europe".
 
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UltimaPooh

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Spielberg is the only one that can get away with getting what he wants on what format.

All of the other directors are at the mercy of Paramount.
 
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Flo_Evans

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thaivo said:
I'm not being sarcastic here... Isn't a boycott = to not buying a product to influence the seller... as there will be no Paramount BD, how does the boycott even work or make logical sense?
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by not buying any paramount DVD or caving in and buying the HD-DVD versions?


this is what I sent to the paramount PR lady:
I am a little concerned about the recent move to cancel paramounts upcoming blu-ray releases. I have invested heavily in my home theatre, expecting I had everything I needed to enjoy paramounts new and catalog titles then I hear that instead of supporting both formats, paramount is switching to HD-DVD only. I can’t go back to DVD, and I don’t really want to buy any more hardware. It looks like I will not be enjoying any paramount films until this unfortunate decision is reversed. I understand that the HD disc market is small right now, but all this does in my opinion is slow the adoption rate and confuse consumers further. If not for the directors that want to have as wide an audience as possible, please consider the movie fans that support your studio.
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thaivo

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Flo_Evans said:
by not buying any paramount DVD or caving in and buying the HD-DVD versions?
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But, as most of us who have had a taste of HDM attest... who of us is going to be buying SD releases?
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Gattsu25 said:
Holy shit, man. You don't have to admit defeat but you can stop acting like a tool.
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OK. Mana's tooishness is legendary already is this thread, I guess I can take a day off from trying to get him to respond in any meaningful way about his spinning ways.
 
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Elios83

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This deal looks more and more like a joke. It has been rejected by everyone in the industry.I didn't expect such a vocal reaction from important directors who want their movies to be published in Blu Ray too. If things don't go well for them this holyday season with Transformers and Shrek 3 they will find a lot of tricks to escape the exclusivity deal for future important releases.
 
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Flo_Evans

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thaivo said:
But, as most of us who have had a taste of HDM attest... who of us is going to be buying SD releases?
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I'm not. I didn't go see trasformers for instance because I had planned on renting it on bluray and watching it in my house. Now do I rent it on DVD, or just not bother with it? I think I will live until it is eventually on my HD-cable channels.
 
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gkryhewy

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Flo_Evans said:
I'm not. I didn't go see trasformers for instance because I had planned on renting it on bluray and watching it in my house. Now do I rent it on DVD, or just not bother with it? I think I will live until it is eventually on my HD-cable channels.
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You could always do HD PPV - TMNT was day & date with the DVD/HD releases on comcast.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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I am into wishful-thinking territory here (but hey, why not) but I suppose this whole Paramount deal could backfire and galvanize industry support for BluRay. It's brought the directors out, anyway, and actually puts Universal under less pressure to stay exclusive.

/pipedream
 
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thaivo

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Flo_Evans said:
I'm not. I didn't go see trasformers for instance because I had planned on renting it on bluray and watching it in my house. Now do I rent it on DVD, or just not bother with it? I think I will live until it is eventually on my HD-cable channels.
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I've been doing that as of late too, meaning that I'm waiting to see movies at home.

Movies actually look better to me on my HDTV than at the theater. The colors are more vibrant, and image is actually clearer. Perhaps I'm crazy, as film has much higher resolution than 1080p... but picture coming out of an active screen, is much brighter and detailed in my eyes than a projected image.

I have a Dell HD projector in the bedroom, and loved the image quality until I bought my plasma. Now, it looks so washed out, even though the screen size is 72".
 
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Crayon Shinchan

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thaivo said:
I'm not being sarcastic here... Isn't a boycott = to not buying a product to influence the seller... as there will be no Paramount BD, how does the boycott even work or make logical sense?

:lol Just visited the site, and there's no petition.. :lol
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You managed to get the joke... but at the same time you didn't! Bravo!
 
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Flo_Evans

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thaivo said:
I've been doing that as of late too, meaning that I'm waiting to see movies at home.

Movies actually look better to me on my HDTV than at the theater. The colors are more vibrant, and image is actually clearer. Perhaps I'm crazy, as film has much higher resolution than 1080p... but picture coming out of an active screen, is much brighter and detailed in my eyes than a projected image.

I have a Dell HD projector in the bedroom, and loved the image quality until I bought my plasma. Now, it looks so washed out, even though the screen size is 72".
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Yep. It actually cost less to buy the disc than it does for me and my girl to go to the movies. Plus I can pause it, slomo it, rewind it, turn it up/down, smoke a jay, or get a BJ while I watch! :D
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Me too. Having and HD projector and and 8' screen really makes going to the theater much more optional. The only downside is the wait. Transformers is the kind of movie I would still catch at the theater (if interested, not really) but it *is* going to be a home hit when it comes out, sales and rental. That movie + the promise of 08 releases makes the payoff worth it, even without the big catalog titles. As I have been saying, it's the new releases that make the difference in sales. More people will but a 300 than a Godfather, as well respected a movie as that is.
 
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Ignatz Mouse

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Flo_Evans said:
Yep. It actually cost less to buy the disc than it does for me and my girl to go to the movies. Plus I can pause it, slomo it, rewind it, turn it up/down, smoke a jay, or get a BJ while I watch! :D
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You can do that last one in a theater, too.
 
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Chemo

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jjasper said:
Paramount should have been prepared for this. Did they think people would be happy about this?
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Oh, but there are some happy people! 33% of less than 1% of the amount of people who purchase home video are really, really pleased with this situation!
 
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DrGAKMAN

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You've got to figure...in the grande scheme of things that companies like Toshiba & MS have other agenda's at play that could've caused this turn of events. I am under the belief that this whole time (since Toshiba make TONS on the existing DVD format) that they merely created HD-DVD, not as a true successor to DVD, but to plague the Blu-ray format. If Blu-Ray had came out uncontested the best thing that's happened (DVD) to the entire movie industry (for retail, rentail, PC makers, CE corperations & studios) which means a pain in the ass for Toshiba since they make so much off the format and since they don't have a hand in BR if that becomes the next format. Likewise with MS, they may not have the same goal (of keeping DVD alive longer), but their own agenda also involves not letting companies like Disney, Sony & Apple run away with a new (HiDef) market going uncontested.

MS & Toshiba aren't aiming to propel HD-DVD beyond Blu-Ray, they're probably more just aiming to make Blu-Ray fail or make it a stop-gap format. This is either to prolong DVD (in Toshiba's case) and/or to delay Blu-Ray growth so that the next "thing" (digital HD distribution) can be better capitalized on & controller (in MS's case).

It is my belief that both format's are still-born stop-gaps and that the HD-DVD camp's recent move shows that they wish to bring about chaotic confusion on purpose in order to hurt Blu-Ray whether HD-DVD takes off or not.
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
The reason Speilberg likely got a special deal is the fact that he is one of the founders of dreamworks and paramount is still finalizing the purchase of dreamworks and dont want to make steve mad.

Cameron and the rest? Probably dont care so much about.
 
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jjasper

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StoOgE said:
The reason Speilberg likely got a special deal is the fact that he is one of the founders of dreamworks and paramount is still finalizing the purchase of dreamworks and dont want to make steve mad.

Cameron and the rest? Probably dont care so much about.
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Oh they care. Spielberg was given knowledge before the event and was able to control the fate of his movies. The others weren't. I am sure they aren't Paramount/Dreamworks made the decision for them but will it matter, who knows?
 
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jjasper

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Mrbob

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Haha, Paramount just hit a shitstorm they didnt even realize would be there.

Of course they do deserve it.

This is akin to lining your fortunes with the Sega Saturn.
 
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Snah

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thaivo said:
I agree with you.... Well other than... Snah
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I never understated the importance of Transformers. It's a blockbuster summer hit. However, it's not going to have a significant impact in this format war, and it won't coerce many people to purchase HD-DVD that otherwise were not going to.
 
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