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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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Are these the same AVS insiders that promised Universal would be neutral back in May? Or the other people who promised WB was going HDDVD exclusive yesterday?
For the most part, the big news hasnt been leaked prior to it becoming official. Did we hear anything about this until right before it was announced?
With even one studio exclusive at this point, I doubt anything could "end the war". Paramount exclusive is enough to limp along for a year even if Universal and WB went BRD exclusive.
For the most part, the big news hasnt been leaked prior to it becoming official. Did we hear anything about this until right before it was announced?
With even one studio exclusive at this point, I doubt anything could "end the war". Paramount exclusive is enough to limp along for a year even if Universal and WB went BRD exclusive.
Oh no, I agree, I don't think that's what it is... my Spielberg comment was just in response to DJK's analysis of Universal. I think he's spot on, but with the appropriate catalog releases (Spielberg stuff, Back to the Future, etc) they could easily make gigantic waves if they went Blu-ray.djkimothy said:
I would not put too much faith on Josh. He's not always right about things and gets too carried away regardless.
Lets not get carried away ourselves. If something happens it happens. The only true megatons would be Universal or Warner switching/choosing sides but I just don't see that happening - unless WB went HD DVD.
Lets not get carried away ourselves. If something happens it happens. The only true megatons would be Universal or Warner switching/choosing sides but I just don't see that happening - unless WB went HD DVD.
Days like these...
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krypt0nian said:
Sweet baby Jesus,Mary and Joseph!! You guys have been awfully snarky and cranky since the paramount thing. A silent prayer? From who? Me? Despite that nice big fuck you sent me no hard feelings on this end. I am being sincere here Don't put too much faith in this guy or you'll probably be setting yourself for disappointment. I'm just sayin'...
maximum360
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Will Sony & company open their wallet and make an offer to Warner and Universal? I think the BluRay camp got a bit overconfident and the HD DVD group snuck in a big win. Prolonging this format war is bad business in the long run for consumers.
LOL at the people in this thread, fighting and typing these long winded paragraphs just to feel better about their purchase... some of you guys take this a little too seriously. Business is Business, and customers always get the short end of the stick. once you accept that BD isnt fighting for you, and neither is HD-DVD then you will be better off. This "war" will be going on for sometime and if you choose to decide a side, then you choose to put up with all the BS that comes along with it.. Getting angry over someone spending money for this and making that exclusive is just dumb...
that being said keep up the competitive banter.
that being said keep up the competitive banter.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Crayon Shinchan said:
No, it doesn't really matter. Knowing those things won't change the state of the market.
I think it's reasonable to know who pays certain analysts and forum commentators, just so we know how to treat their commentary (which is why Mana is so dead set on smearing Bill Hunt, because he's put forth some of the best pro-Blu arguments in coherent form, and has an audience). But studios? How they act is beyond our control, and what they say is PR regardless.
Malleymal said:
Since you've so eloquently tried to break this down as fanboy vs. fanboy, let me try to explain the larger, most important point to you.
It isn't about Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD in the larger picture. Its about getting one format to emerge so that we can get on with next-generation DVD. We were a lot closer to getting that one format before this announcement. Even though I've got a Blu-Ray player in my PS3, I've only purchased 6 movies for it, scared to invest too heavily in the format. I'd like to see Blu-Ray win since I've already got it sitting in my living room, but I'm not going to throw a tantrum if HD-DVD wins. I'll just go out and buy the 360 add-on or buy a standalone player since they are falling in price. Either way, I just want ONE format so that I can start enjoying all of my movie purchases in HD.
Its brutally painful to try and watch a movie in 480p now, even upscaled it doesn't come close to Blu-Ray or HD-DVD
these are situations i think could end the war.
warner and universal exclusive to bluray
target, bestbuy, circuit city and walmart selling only blu-ray(online included)
sub 200 dollar blu-ray players coming this fall exclusive to walmart.
if these things arent announced then i'm afraid the war will still rage on
warner and universal exclusive to bluray
target, bestbuy, circuit city and walmart selling only blu-ray(online included)
sub 200 dollar blu-ray players coming this fall exclusive to walmart.
if these things arent announced then i'm afraid the war will still rage on
krypt0nian
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Days like these... said:
This does sound like a desperate man.
Ignatz Mouse
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StoOgE said:
I'm not saying he isn't occassionally full of shit-- I'm saying that people keep chanting about him being paid off and biased when there's no evidence of that. He does have some reviews on a pro-Blu site, but those appeared well after he made his stand, like months later.
Furthermore, people like Harry Knowles (can't get the basic facts right) and Rob Enderle (paid Microsoft and Toshiba (and formerly Sony) marketer) get quoted like gospel. The Enderle thing sparked days worth of FUD abotu WalMart going HD-DVD exclusive based on zero evidence. Hunt, on the other hand, predicts BluRay dominance based on studio support and has been proven right all year by sales charts, but is to be demonized. Crazy logic.
Ignatz Mouse
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Wrt to the AVS insider, I'm on the skeptic side. Too many "if"s, too vague, and too hyperbolic. I hope it's true, but not counting on anything. I would guess Universal before Warner, personally, but don't think either is likely. The only thing that makes Warner even plausible is their delay of FullHD (or whatever they call the combo) discs, perhaps because they are about to go exclusive.
Ignatz Mouse
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yacobod said:
I didn't really see what happened (don't usually read his site, didn't hear exaclt what his edits were about, didn't look at site site til the dust cleared) so yeah, I guess so.
What exactly was hsi meltdown? As somebody who wants a single format, I can certainly empathize with his frustration. Can you summarize?
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'Get on' with next gen dvd? I'm not entirely understanding here. Why is it exactly that you feel that you can not 'get on' with next gen dvd? Blu Rays and HD DVDs are being sold for you to purchase, view and enjoy despite there being 2 formats.bill0527 said:
So you can't enjoy your movies now? I'm enjoying mine despite the uncertainty of what the future holds. Those are the perils of early adoption. Everyone should be fully cogniscent that the format they choose could possibly lose and those that aren't willing to take that risk should just hold out.bill0527 said:
Crayon Shinchan
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yacobod said:
Are you going to keep pretending as if a unified HD format isn't a good thing for HD movie fans?
Ignatz Mouse said:
He's been ranting almost non-stop since the announcement. The only 'meltdown' is how hard he has come down (and still comes down) on Microsoft for footing the bill. I don't blame him for pulling his hair out, many of us were hoping to have one format by next year.
ManaByte tracked Bill's major changes
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7488726&postcount=190
The rest can be seen clearly here:
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa141.html
Ignatz Mouse
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Days like these... said:
Being obtuse isn't your usual schtick. I know you've read the arguments, and you seem smart enough to unsderstand them, so why play dumb? A lot of people don;t want to buy a stack of movies that they have to have obsolete or expensive hardware hooked up to play 10-20 years from now.
It's like having to have an NES still plugged in to watch your favorite movies. Or a Betamax player in your rack.
Crayon Shinchan
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Oni Jazar said:
Seriously. The guy is a movie fan. And he wants a single unified format. He's pissed that we've moved further away from that desired resolution. Because despite the HDDVD supporters cheering, they haven't actually moved closer towards that goal with their format of choice... BD has just moved further away.
Days like these...
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krypt0nian said:
Ok, WTF are you talking about? I've tried to extend the olive branch here but I seriously dont know what you're going on about. All I was saying was dont too much stock in what that insider was saying. Whatever dude I'm done responding to you.
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Ignatz Mouse said:
Wouldn't it be nice if we could all have our cake and eat it too? You can't expect to enjoy the benefits of early adoption and be assured your format of choice will win it doesnt work that way.
I'm not being obtuse hence the part at the end about the perils of early adoption maybe the guy just should have held out if he's not willing to pay the potential cost early adoption carries with it.
It's not my fault you have trouble reading posts. An "I'm sorry I called you a liar when, in fact, I didn't really read your post" is what I should be getting from you. Of course I'm going to get pissed if someone calls me a liar and then tries to pretend it didn't happen when they realize they were wrong. Also, thanks for an empty "I-could-have-you-banned" threat. Real nice way to act after erroneously calling someone out on total bullshit.WULFER said:
On topic, though, what exactly is the problem that people have with Bill Hunt? The guy just picked a side.
Days like these... said:
Ok well let me explain it for you (again) since you missed it in my post. Many of the people that are in this game now, especially Blu-Ray owners of PS3 systems, are afraid to commit to a huge library because this format war continues to linger. Joe 6p is still on the fence and doesn't want to commit because this format war continues to linger. I'm don't even know what avenue to debate you if you think this is a good thing.
And that's exactly what a lot of people like myself are doing. Holding out by not committing to a huge library of either format.
Yes, its very difficult to enjoy a movie now because 480i upscaled to 1080i or 720p looks like rotten ass compared to Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. Time for an eye exam if you don't think so. Its like your boss telling you that they're going to let you use the company Ferrari one day a week, but the rest of the week, you get to drive the white Ford econo-van.
heavy liquid
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Crayon Shinchan said:
I love how you throw out the "HD DVD jerks" and HD DVD tards" in half your posts. It makes your arguments sound very mature.
Crayon Shinchan
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heavy liquid said:
And yet, my arguments are never without a point, despite my frustration. Deal with the argument not the ad hominens
Skiptastic
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So when are we getting this news to end the format war again?
It doesn't make any sense for any of these studios, outside of Columbia and MGM who are owned by the developer of a format, to limit themselves to one format or the other. They are content owners, they SHOULD want to get their content out to as wide an audience as possible.
It doesn't make any sense for any of these studios, outside of Columbia and MGM who are owned by the developer of a format, to limit themselves to one format or the other. They are content owners, they SHOULD want to get their content out to as wide an audience as possible.
Ignatz Mouse
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Oni Jazar said:
Yeah, that's pretty much a meltdown. I'm not sure what there is to say about it. I had read the cleaned up version after the dust had settled and thought nothing of it. This is just that + some wild allegations and insults. Pretty unprofessional, not as extreme as Bay's reaction.
Edit: Crayon's just trying to pick up the slack while Petrarca's on vacation.
Time for me to do some collecting to sell at a higher price later?
Also I have heard rumors of people actually being able to grab Blades of Glory at places that usually sell before street dates. I bet that one will go for the big bucks.
I currently have the MI pack and Flags. I wonder how much I could get for Flags in a few months. I might go get Dreamgirls and World Trade Center too.
Edit: also this thread has officially gone to shit
Also I have heard rumors of people actually being able to grab Blades of Glory at places that usually sell before street dates. I bet that one will go for the big bucks.
I currently have the MI pack and Flags. I wonder how much I could get for Flags in a few months. I might go get Dreamgirls and World Trade Center too.
Edit: also this thread has officially gone to shit
AgentOtaku
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looks like I better pick up MI:Ultimate Missions collection soon....
Crayon Shinchan
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Anyone got a list of paramount BDs?
This is all I found from Paramount / DreamWorks on Blu-ray... Maybe some DreamWorks stuff is missing because it's sometimes distributed by somebody else...Crayon Shinchan said:
Disturbia (Paramount)
Shooter (Paramount)
The Untouchables (Paramount)
The Warriors: Ultimate Director's Cut (Paramount)
Black Snake Moan (Paramount)
Hustle & Flow (Paramount)
Coming to America (Paramount)
Norbit (Paramount)
Trading Places (Paramount)
Flags of Our Fathers (DreamWorks)
Freedom Writers (Paramount)
M:I-2 (Paramount)
Mission: Impossible (Paramount)
Dreamgirls (DreamWorks)
Failure to Launch (Paramount)
Payback: Straight Up - The Director's Cut (Paramount)
Babel (Paramount)
Black Rain (Paramount)
The Manchurian Candidate (2004) (Paramount)
We Were Soldiers (Paramount)
World Trade Center (Paramount)
Nacho Libre (Paramount)
Reds (Paramount)
Mission: Impossible - Ultimate Missions Collection (Paramount)
Mission: Impossible III (Paramount)
The Italian Job (2003) (Paramount)
Sahara (Paramount)
Aeon Flux (Paramount)
U2: Rattle and Hum (Paramount)
Four Brothers (Paramount)
Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (Paramount)
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (Paramount)
Sleepy Hollow (Paramount)
Crayon Shinchan said:
HDD put together a list w/ amazon links for all of them :lol
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/paramountbluraylist.html
I might blind buy Flags of our Fathers. I did a blind buy of Letters from Iwo Jima yesterday and was thoroughly satisfied, bought the soundtrack at CD Warehouse just moments ago. I heard Flags was the events leading after the Iwo Jima invasion.
Can anyone recommend me Flags?
Can anyone recommend me Flags?
djkimothy said:
Its a good movie but has more to do with the emotional strain that 3 soldiers experinced after Iwo Jima as they toured the country to promote the war effort than the battle itself. It is pretty different movied from Letters I personally didn't think it was as good, but is still good in its own right.
Wulfer
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Chemo said:
Chemo, I posted real facts a war is going on between the Directors, actors/ess, Writers and Studios and all you could do was make jokes about it. No I don't think I'm the one that needed to apologize. On top of that I tried to chat with you in a kindly matter j/k's aside. If this is how you deal with stress fine but you got some anger issues going on there my friend. By the way, Hollywood's war will affect you in many ways just so you know. For one the price of the movies your buying could go up or down (probably up I'd say because of this and that's just for starters!)
AgentOtaku
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rs7k said:
probably not....
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