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[Naked Snake]

fuck this shit

 

[Xisiqomelir]

I never truly understood the mind of a HD-DVD supporter. Do they want both formats to fail, or merely want Blu-ray to fail more than HD-DVD to succeed? It has been pointed out before that there is no feasible outcome that can allow HD-DVD to win, only delay Blu-ray's inevitable victory (unless both formats fail in the absolute worse case). So there doesn't seem to be any logical component to this, so it's a question that seems to have no good answers.

But don't you know Son¥ is evil and greedy and must be punished, Hyperion? :lol

 

[Powerslave]

Can someone explain me why Disney is such a big deal?

 

[HyperionX]

But don't you know Son¥ is evil and greedy and must be punished, Hyperion? :lol

So it's option #3: The "I hate Sony

Spoiler

because getting raped by MS is better than getting raped by Sony

" argument.

 

[Aaron]

I never truly understood the mind of a HD-DVD supporter. Do they want both formats to fail, or merely want Blu-ray to fail more than HD-DVD to succeed? It has been pointed out before that there is no feasible outcome that can allow HD-DVD to win, only delay Blu-ray's inevitable victory (unless both formats fail in the absolute worse case). So there doesn't seem to be any logical component to this, so it's a question that seems to have no good answers.

The PS3 isn't doing nearly well enough to result in certain victory, just as the only studios that are certain to remain Blu are ones controlled by Sony. Personally, I don't care which wins, though I'd rather it be neither, and these two just be the fodder for a newer, better format.

 

[thaivo]

I never truly understood the mind of a HD-DVD supporter. Do they want both formats to fail, or merely want Blu-ray to fail more than HD-DVD to succeed? It has been pointed out before that there is no feasible outcome that can allow HD-DVD to win, only delay Blu-ray's inevitable victory (unless both formats fail in the absolute worse case). So there doesn't seem to be any logical component to this, so it's a question that seems to have no good answers.

I am not sure why it is difficult for you to understand why I would be happy for HD DVD to receive another exclusive studio. Hint, it's because I only own an HD DVD player, and this news would be good for HD DVD. I like how you are assuming that HD DVD has no chance. It's sort of like the way most here never thought Paramount would go back to HD DVD exclusivity. :lol

That, and I've admitted that I have a serious distaste for Sony.

 

[thaivo]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11393335&postcount=71

Not saying that this guy is right, but he makes some interesting points:

I think it's all but a done deal, and frankly I think Bill Hunt knows it. Yesterday's "My Two Cents" column sound like a man revved up on a mission to make sure BD wins the format war. He's asking people to email and write Warner's to remain neutral.

Contrast that with today's column which sounds like a man whose puppy just got ran over. It has a somber tone to it and sounds like someone who is resigned to their fate.

He uses very couched terms like:

" A lot of people have asked us if we still believe Blu-ray is the better choice, with the better chance to win, and for the most part we do."

For the most part?!?!?!? This was the same man who was mocking Universal last month for being the lone hold out studio. This is the same man who has stated as fact that Blu-Ray is better for the consumer. Why the change in tune???

But if Warner goes exclusive for HD-DVD too, Hollywood will basically be evenly split. In that event, while it's certainly a coup for HD-DVD, there's little chance of either format winning.

Why even throw this out there when only a few paragraphs later you said a Warner rep told you: "We haven't announced anything otherwise"?!?!?!?!

It's because he know there's something up, he knows Warner and Microsoft and Toshiba are sitting down and hammering out details.

One thing people have to bear in mind, this goes beyond the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray format war. Warner in the last month has made a huge splash on XBox Live. 16 of the last 22 films released on Microsoft's movie/tv service are Warner releases. Over half of the last 50 movie release are from Warner's and New Line.

At ComicCon Microsoft provided exclusive video content of TV show and Movie pressers. They had fully downloadable video of the panels for Blade Runner, Smallville, 300, and a number of Warner Home Video releases... no other studio was given such treatment... even Paramount who held a MAJOR event with J.J. Abrams for Star Trek.

Warner just signed a deal with Microsoft and now owns all of the music of Microsoft game releases, including Halo 3 which Warner will be releasing a soundtrack for.

Warner has some VERY close ties to Microsoft right now.

and

Speaking of "Take the red pill" that new HD DVD promo spot feels like it was made jointly by Universal, Paramount, and Warner.

It's up on the HD DVD home page. http://www.thelookandsoundofperfect.com/

The new ad is awesome btw... "Go ahead... take the red pill." :lol :lol

 

[mrklaw]

if warner go HDDVD exclusive, then I'll buy a HDDVD player. I'll be royally fucked off becuase its more equipment, I dont have enough HDMI sockets and its more money.

But I won't be able to ignore paramount+universal+warner.


I can't understand what would create such a massive change in such a short time. If its just money then isn' there a government department that investigates unfair business practice? How is it fair to simply buy exclusivity to this?

 

[thaivo]

if warner go HDDVD exclusive, then I'll buy a HDDVD player. I'll be royally fucked off becuase its more equipment, I dont have enough HDMI sockets and its more money.

But I won't be able to ignore paramount+universal+warner.

We'll see if there's any truth to any of this this Friday I suppose. If nothing happens, then oh well.. But if Warner does go exclusive. Wow! The HDM world would have changed completely in one week's time.

I can't understand what would create such a massive change in such a short time. If its just money then isn' there a government department that investigates unfair business practice? How is it fair to simply buy exclusivity to this?

Why would this be any different than for game console exclusives, and deals between developers and Sony or Microsoft? Those are certainly not illegal.

 

[p_xavier]

I can't understand what would create such a massive change in such a short time. If its just money then isn' there a government department that investigates unfair business practice? How is it fair to simply buy exclusivity to this?

European Union says hi.

 

[XMonkey]

Coming from such a staunch BD supporter, and although he is not saying it will happen, it looks that Warner siding with HD DVD is very possible.

Uh, ok. That means "very possible"?

And you just posted the same thing twice, btw.

 

[Xater]

Can someone explain me why Disney is such a big deal?

Also Disney is more or less short for all this stuff:

Disney
Buena Vista
Miramax
Touchstone

Disney is a big deal. I can't imagine how much the next Pixar movie might sell on DVD/BD.

 

[CoG]

I'm sorry, but beatboy77 does not seem credible from what I can tell. His "insider" status consists of owning a HT installation company in Colorado and contributing to a couple of disc review blogs. I don't see how that makes him privy enormous insider conspiracies, but whatever. I found this spanking by a Microsoft employee amusing:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11389695&postcount=70

See, now I know you're lying. Microsoft offered no deal to Paramount. See, our team has this little thing called a budget, and it's a lot lower than $150 or $225 million. We're also part of the same division XBox is in, which has told investors it will be profitable this year. That would be difficult if we were spending, what, 375 million dollars according to you on studios that are already releasing on our format. With that kind of money we could have bought MGM, so why would we do this instead? Geez, some people will believe anything about Microsoft, but you have to realize that first and foremost, it's a business, and these deals would not make business sense for Microsoft.

He's got a point. For a company who can't seem to get the Halo film greenlit (a what, $100 - $150M budget) they suddenly have $500M to throw around to bribe studios just to spite Sony?

I think beatboy's entire shtick is to throw a bunch of rumors out there and if one sticks he comes off like a OMginsider!

 

[AlteredBeast]

At this point, HD-DVD has every bit of a chance to succeed as Blu-Ray does. I don't see how Blu-Ray winning is guaranteed at this point...

I want to see HD-DVD get more content, whether that be exclusive studios or BR exclusives go format neutral. HD-DVD has had more releases since inception that I care about...and many of those will stay (unless the format dies, of course) HD-DVD exclusive. That is the reason I bought it and that is the reason I will keep on supporting HD-DVD.

What is funny is how people are saying, "If Warner (or insert X studio here) goes HD exclusive, I am just going to stop buy HDM altogether and stick with DVD"

What a bunch of crybabies. You sound like Sega fans circa 2002 that wanted to boycott Sony systems, etc.

 

[Xater]

At this point, HD-DVD has every bit of a chance to succeed as Blu-Ray does. I don't see how Blu-Ray winning is guaranteed at this point...

Nope.

I there still is more exclusive stuff on the Blu-ray side. Also a larger install base that can play the medium.

 

[AlteredBeast]

Nope.

I there still is more exclusive stuff on the Blu-ray side. Also a larger install base that can play the medium.

And if the Warner rumors turn out to be true? Would it then be just as likely?

Who can resist the amazing back catalogs and current releases of Universal, Paramount, Warner and the small studio support?

 

[fse]

if warner go HDDVD exclusive, then I'll buy a HDDVD player. I'll be royally fucked off becuase its more equipment, I dont have enough HDMI sockets and its more money.

But I won't be able to ignore paramount+universal+warner.


I can't understand what would create such a massive change in such a short time. If its just money then isn' there a government department that investigates unfair business practice? How is it fair to simply buy exclusivity to this?

unfair business practices? come on... :lol both sides have given moneyhats.

 

[chubigans]

Like I said before...if HD-DVD wanted Warner, they would have gotten them by now. I highly doubt they'll go anywhere but neutral.

 

[Alcibiades]

Considering Warner has known about this and immediately commented on the situation, it's VERY unlikely they are going to do the same. Although I do think Warner switching over would basically win it for HD DVD (considering they much more aggressive than Fox or Disney), it wouldn't make sense for them if it's true that people inside Warner aren't exactly loyal to either camp.

from videobusiness:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6470298.html

Today’s move, means that Warner Home Video is the only studio releasing films on both formats.

“We will continue to support both formats,” Warner senior VP worldwide for high-definition Steve Nickerson said. “This doesn’t change our approach to the market at all. We have a responsibility to put product out in high-definition, and there happens to be two formats.”

It is going to be very irritating for the Disney and Fox to see Warner rake in more sales for being dual-format though, mostly because they've been working off the assumption that there would be no format war (moreso than Universal and Paramount who haven't taken the position that either format's victory is inevitable).

for reference this was released back at CES this year:

 

[AlteredBeast]

Positive blu-ray nooz out of the Blu-Ray camp? No way!

Regardless, I don't see how anyone can be sure of anything now that Paramount is HD exclusive...


EDIT - Defining Music?? That's a laugh if I ever heard one. Call me when they start mass-producing blu-ray audio discs...

 

[MechDX]

I never truly understood the mind of a HD-DVD supporter. Do they want both formats to fail, or merely want Blu-ray to fail more than HD-DVD to succeed? It has been pointed out before that there is no feasible outcome that can allow HD-DVD to win, only delay Blu-ray's inevitable victory (unless both formats fail in the absolute worse case). So there doesn't seem to be any logical component to this, so it's a question that seems to have no good answers.

If HD DVD wins you ok with it?

 

[Cold-Steel]

HD-DVD can't win.

They can only slow down the inevitable result of victory for the Blu-ray Association*.

*This comment is fully endorsed by the Blu-ray Association.

 

[wasting]

This thread will be awesome when Warner goes exclusive tomorrow

 

[Oni Jazar]

If HD DVD wins you ok with it?

I think most every Blu-ray support would be ok (eventually) if HD DVD were to win. Most people (except for HD DVD boys it seems) don't want a war. We want one format. HD DVD getting Paramount for a set amount of time is a tremedous win, but it will still be a cold day in hell when Disney, Fox and especially Sony swiches sides. Sony and Disney especially are two of the largest movie studios with an inasine collection of titles new and old.

This decision does not make me want to buy HD DVD, it makes me turn away from high def discs entirely. I do not want discs from a dead format. (I spent $200 on the Star Wars trillogy on Laserdisc.) If you look at the histrory of all music & movie format wars there is either one clear winner or all losers. This is not the video game market. I do not want to own a title that I'm not sure will eventually play on every movie player in the house. And don't talk to me about dual format players because that will incrase the cost considerably no matter how low they might eventually go - a standalone will always be cheaper and more reliable.

 

[jjasper]

If HD DVD wins you ok with it?

I would have been, now I am not so sure.

Edit: Just to clarify I would be happy that there is 1 format, but I would not be ok with the business tactics that were basically "oh wait we are getting killed lets just buy everyone off"

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I think most every Blu-ray support would be ok (eventually) if HD DVD were to win. Most people (except for HD DVD boys it seems) don't want a war. We want one format. HD DVD getting Paramount for a set amount of time is a tremedous win, but it will still be a cold day in hell when Disney, Fox and especially Sony swiches sides. Sony and Disney especially are two of the largest movie studios with an inasine collection of titles new and old.

This decision does not make me want to buy HD DVD, it makes me turn away from high def discs entirely. I do not want discs from a dead format. (I spent $200 on the Star Wars trillogy on Laserdisc.) If you look at the histrory of all music & movie format wars there is either one clear winner or all losers. This is not the video game market. I do not want to own a title that I'm not sure will eventually play on every movie player in the house. And don't talk to me about dual format players because that will incrase the cost considerably no matter how low they might eventually go - a standalone will always be cheaper and more reliable.

This is exactly my stance. The thing that's the most depressing about the Paramount news is how entrenched Sony and Disney are in Blu, and now Paramount in HD DVD. There's less chance, just from a studio standpoint, of everybody on one format now.

As I posted when the Paramount news broke, I would *cheer* if HD DVD were the clear winner tomorrow and Fox, Disney and Sony announced titles. I'd run out immediately and buy a player. I'd be *thrilled*. I really don't care that much about the technological differences between the two platforms and I don't really care which corporation gets royalties. I have a PS3 but that's a minor write-off compared to the benefit and relief of knowing what format to buy discs for. I'd trade off my BluRays and never look back.

And that's one thing that ticks me off about the people grousing about viral marketers, payola, etc (on either side)-- I don;t give a shit. I just want something like DVD on in HD. I only bring up the viral marketers myself to point out the hypocrisy exhibited by some people who claim that they "just love movies." If you just love movies, you want one format.

 

[StoOgE]

I never truly understood the mind of a HD-DVD supporter. Do they want both formats to fail, or merely want Blu-ray to fail more than HD-DVD to succeed? It has been pointed out before that there is no feasible outcome that can allow HD-DVD to win, only delay Blu-ray's inevitable victory (unless both formats fail in the absolute worse case). So there doesn't seem to be any logical component to this, so it's a question that seems to have no good answers.

I initially supported HDDVD because the player was cheap for the 360 (200 bucks) back when BRD players were all about a grand. It was a no brainer, I got a ton of movies for it and am now invested in the format. Ive since upgraded to a standalone player, sold off the add-on and am even more invested in the format. It also has interactive content that Im a huge huge fan of and to this point, BRD doesnt. It also lacks BD+ which Im not a fan of at all.

You act like HDDVD fans are all idiots who hate Sony, and thats really not even close to the case.

If BRD were to win, I would buy a player, but at this point in the game, Its too early to tell what will happen, and until HDDVD releases dry up Im not going to make that jump. Before this week I thought I would have a BRD player this year... now thats been pushed back 12 months at least.

 

[Ponn]

This is exactly my stance. The thing that's the most depressing about the Paramount news is how entrenched Sony and Disney are in Blu, and now Paramount in HD DVD. There's less chance, just from a studio standpoint, of everybody on one format now.

As I posted when the Paramount news broke, I would *cheer* if HD DVD were the clear winner tomorrow and Fox, Disney and Sony announced titles. I'd run out immediately and buy a player. I'd be *thrilled*. I really don't care that much about the technological differences between the two platforms and I don't really care which corporation gets royalties. I have a PS3 but that's a minor write-off compared to the benefit and relief of knowing what format to buy discs for. I'd trade off my BluRays and never look back.

And that's one thing that ticks me off about the people grousing about viral marketers, payola, etc (on either side)-- I don;t give a shit. I just want something like DVD on in HD. I only bring up the viral marketers myself to point out the hypocrisy exhibited by some people who claim that they "just love movies." If you just love movies, you want one format.

100 percent agree with this post. And the people picking on Bill Hunt are missing that huge point he is trying to make. Before HD-DVD and Blu-ray launched he was pretty adamant at that point and was cheering for both parties to come to an agreement and was very dissappointed at the last moment when they didn't. This makes it just that much more unlikely that either format can win or even dream of taking over for DVD. Which means less catalog titles in HD (who knows if we will ever see more spielberg titles, Star Wars or LoTR now)and having to buy TWO different players to get all the movies you want from all the studios. This also puts a sour note on future physical media discs and could be the sign of studios starting to look at digital delivery. Who is one of the big pushers of this with Live Marketplace and a soon to be big push with IPTV? Could it be...MS?!

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[bill0527]

Yeah I hear you. I personally use Vista Media Center and use my 360 as the extender for everything resident on my PC. I wonder what percentile in North America I fall in with that as my main media "solution"

I've been set up for this since Xbox 360 launched with my old Media Center 2005 PC, and now on my Vista PC.

I just don't see this as a feasible setup for joe6p though.

When we have friends and family over they all wonder how I can get my entire music library, pictures, home videos, and recorded TV shows on the big screen TV and surround setup. I try to explain that the setup was very simple, you just need to buy a wireless router for your PC and everything streams to my Xbox 360. They don't seem to understand this concept and when I try to explain how its all setup they just get this wide-eyed glassy look in their eyes and a faraway stare like, "WTF did you just say?".

Joe6p can barely program his 20-key universal remote for his TV, much less understand how to set this stuff up.

 

[krypt0nian]

Any more studios get paid to jump the BR ship and I'm officially Upscaled DVD exclusive.

Fuck this. I'm not paying upcharges to be cannon fodder in an artificially propped up format war.

 

[Oni Jazar]

This is exactly my stance. The thing that's the most depressing about the Paramount news is how entrenched Sony and Disney are in Blu, and now Paramount in HD DVD. There's less chance, just from a studio standpoint, of everybody on one format now.

As I posted when the Paramount news broke, I would *cheer* if HD DVD were the clear winner tomorrow and Fox, Disney and Sony announced titles. I'd run out immediately and buy a player. I'd be *thrilled*. I really don't care that much about the technological differences between the two platforms and I don't really care which corporation gets royalties. I have a PS3 but that's a minor write-off compared to the benefit and relief of knowing what format to buy discs for. I'd trade off my BluRays and never look back.

And that's one thing that ticks me off about the people grousing about viral marketers, payola, etc (on either side)-- I don;t give a shit. I just want something like DVD on in HD. I only bring up the viral marketers myself to point out the hypocrisy exhibited by some people who claim that they "just love movies." If you just love movies, you want one format.

Agreed. People who want the war say that competition is a good thing, but what I have seen is: disc prices remain the same, megablockbuster classics that have been withheld, player prices drop in line with the one format DVD, and features still not being used until their ready. This battle isn't about who gets to Walmart @ $99 first. What is so great about chineese knock offs? DVD never needed that to reach mass market. Sure it made it affordable to everyone but that occurs much further down the hardware line - not one year after release.

 

[wasting]

Any more studios get paid to jump the BR ship and I'm officially Upscaled DVD exclusive.

Fuck this. I'm not paying upcharges to be cannon fodder in an artificially propped up format war.

im with you bluray or noway!

 

[Cosmic Bus]

I never truly understood the mind of a HD-DVD supporter. Do they want both formats to fail, or merely want Blu-ray to fail more than HD-DVD to succeed?

I wanted to go high-def, HD had more movies I wanted and was reasonably priced. I'm not terribly thrilled about the idea of Sony controlling an entire format, either, but that didn't weigh into my purchasing decision.

 

[jjasper]

You act like HDDVD fans are all idiots who hate Sony, and thats really not even close to the case.

To be fair a lot of people here do because of where we are.

im with you bluray or noway!

You know not everyone is a MS fanboy and some don't agree with thier business tactics.

 

[Kolgar]

Fuck this. I'm not paying upcharges to be cannon fodder in an artificially propped up format war.

I'll get flamed to hell and back for saying this, but I think PS3 has been artificially propping up Blu-ray this whole time.

But whatever. People, if you don't want to worry, buy players for both formats. If you ain't got the cash or you ain't got the intestinal fortitude for all of this, yeah, go back to DVD.

 

[Days like these...]

Joe6p can barely program his 20-key universal remote for his TV, much less understand how to set this stuff up.

QFT and on top of that the infrastructure isnt in place that's why I really don't think DD will take off anytime soon if at all. All this stuff about the paramount deal will be the death of both formats is just sour grapes in my opinion.

 

[Oni Jazar]

QFT and on top of that the infrastructure isnt in place that's why I really don't think DD will take off anytime soon if at all. All this stuff about the paramount deal will be the death of both formats is just sour grapes in my opinion.

I think you're right. Bill Hunt talks alot about the essense of time and how if it doesn't end now then no one will care in a year or two, but I'm not so sure. Personally I'd like it to end because I'm an impatient SOB but perhaps the market can wait a couple of years for the war to sort itself out. We'll see.

 

[Xater]

I'm not terribly thrilled about the idea of Sony controlling an entire format, either

And it is just wrong. The BDA consists of more than just Sony. Also it is would be a pathetic reason because HD DVD is pretty much controlled by Toshiba and NEC. I don't see why either should be better.

It's all corporations that want your money.

 

[kaching]

Dual. Format. Players.

Why would this be any different than for game console exclusives, and deals between developers and Sony or Microsoft? Those are certainly not illegal.

Because the scope of such deals with game publishers never involve entire catalogs with hundreds or thousands of titles.

 

[Hammer24]

But whatever. People, if you don't want to worry, buy players for both formats. If you ain't got the cash or you ain't got the intestinal fortitude for all of this, yeah, go back to DVD.

Aren´t there the first players on the market that are able to play both media? So whats the fuss about? I mean, the pricing for BD and HDDVD are the same here.

 

[captive]

To be fair a lot of people here do because of where we are.

Its not just hear, there are numerous users at AVS that have stated whether in posts or in their sig that they just plain dont like Sony and that being their only reason to not buy blu-ray.

 

[StoOgE]

I'll get flamed to hell and back for saying this, but I think PS3 has been artificially propping up Blu-ray this whole time.

I think alot of the bitching is more sour grapes at this point than reasoned logic.

There are just as many signs pointing to Sony paying off Target and blockbuster as their are signs that MS payed off anyone. In fact, there have been hard denials from multiple people at Microsoft that a payoff even happened. But that doesnt matter, because MS took away a studio from their BR players and they are taking it personally. So, MS is evil now, and HDDVD doesnt play fair so HDDVD doesnt deserve to win.

If either side was really playing fair and cared about consumers, all movies would have been released on both formats and the consumer would have decided who would win.. but that hasnt been the way this format war has been going from day 1. Studios and companies have been deciding this war with exclusivity agreements, trojan horsing BRD machines into game consoles, giving away free movies as incentives, etc.

The only difference is now, HDDVD's tactics negatively impacted BRD supporters access to movies. Its been the other way around for a year, but that didnt seem to bother any of them... there are alot of people (not all, but alot) that are pretending to be upset because they want a 1 format future and BRD had the best chance at that.. when they are actually mad because they thought their risky purchase was assured victory, and now they are worried that their gamble (which buying either of these formats is) may not pay off.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Dual. Format. Players.

As I said before dual format players will always be more cost prohibative and less reliable then dedicated standalones. People are dying for a cheaper solution, no one wants to go back to prices 2-3x what single format players go for to support a stupid war.

 

[StoOgE]

Aren´t there the first players on the market that are able to play both media? So whats the fuss about? I mean, the pricing for BD and HDDVD are the same here.

LG has a player on the market. The BRD support is "average" and the HDDVD support is horrid and it costs alot of money.

Samsung has one coming out that sounds like its going to be a real winner except for a lack of 180p24 support for HDDVD. If they could add that to the player, I would be all over it. I think its going to retail for 900, which means you can probably get it for 800 street.

Also, for anyone who is interested in HDDVD player, Amazon is selling the HD-A2 (720p max) for 240 bucks with 5 free movies. I just picked one up to replace my 360 add on in my living room. The girlfriend wanted to be able to watch movies in the living room still.. and Im just not willing to rely on the 360 anymore. Plus, the TV in the living room only does 720p as its an outdated POS RPTV. If only I could talk her into a PDP5080

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I think alot of the bitching is more sour grapes at this point than reasoned logic.

There are just as many signs pointing to Sony paying off Target and blockbuster as their are signs that MS payed off anyone. In fact, there have been hard denials from multiple people at Microsoft that a payoff even happened. But that doesnt matter, because MS took away a studio from their BR players and they are taking it personally. So, MS is evil now, and HDDVD doesnt play fair so HDDVD doesnt deserve to win.

If either side was really playing fair and cared about consumers, all movies would have been released on both formats and the consumer would have decided who would win.. but that hasnt been the way this format war has been going from day 1. Studios and companies have been deciding this war with exclusivity agreements, trojan horsing BRD machines into game consoles, giving away free movies as incentives, etc.

The only difference is now, HDDVD's tactics negatively impacted BRD supporters access to movies. Its been the other way around for a year, but that didnt seem to bother any of them... there are alot of people (not all, but alot) that are pretending to be upset because they want a 1 format future and BRD had the best chance at that.. when they are actually mad because they thought their risky purchase was assured victory, and now they are worried that their gamble (which buying either of these formats is) may not pay off.

Stooge, you miss the point. It isn't about moral superiority, it's about having the war over so we can get on with the HD generation. I don't care that money has chnaged hands, I care about the outlook. This week, the outlook for HD media's future got bleaker. That may be hard to see from the standpoint of an HD-DVD supporter, but it's true.

I don't expect *any* corporation to act altruistically. I *do* want the format war to end.

Jesus, the cost of my player (and even my modest BluRay collection) pales in comparison with what I'll spend over teh course of the next ten years. I could give a shit about my investment right now. It's whether I spend more, and how long will it be before I can sink in and buy with abandon. And worse, whether HD media will end up niche.

 

[captive]

I think alot of the bitching is more sour grapes at this point than reasoned logic.

There are just as many signs pointing to Sony paying off Target and blockbuster as their are signs that MS payed off anyone. In fact, there have been hard denials from multiple people at Microsoft that a payoff even happened. But that doesnt matter, because MS took away a studio from their BR players and they are taking it personally. So, MS is evil now, and HDDVD doesnt play fair so HDDVD doesnt deserve to win.

If either side was really playing fair and cared about consumers, all movies would have been released on both formats and the consumer would have decided who would win.. but that hasnt been the way this format war has been going from day 1. Studios and companies have been deciding this war with exclusivity agreements, trojan horsing BRD machines into game consoles, giving away free movies as incentives, etc.

The only difference is now, HDDVD's tactics negatively impacted BRD supporters access to movies. Its been the other way around for a year, but that didnt seem to bother any of them... there are alot of people (not all, but alot) that are pretending to be upset because they want a 1 format future and BRD had the best chance at that.. when they are actually mad because they thought their risky purchase was assured victory, and now they are worried that their gamble (which buying either of these formats is) may not pay off.

Your failing to see the problem most of us has with this, its not "sour grapes."
The problem is HD DVD will not win with paramount and universal alone. All this is doing is confusing consumers, which will most likely slow adoption rate even further, and delay a resolution to one format future.

And you're wrong if all the studios were "playing fair" as you said there would have been one format, not two.

 

[StoOgE]

Ignatz and Captive, I wasnt actually talking about ya'll. You both fall under the "reasonable individual" status in my book.

There are certain other people in this thread I was referring to.

 

[dankir]

Transformers rumored to come out 10/16/07 on DVD and HD-DVD!!!!!


http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=148391

 

[AstroLad]

Two formats is great because consumer choice is never a bad thing--there's always room for Pepsi and Coke. People just need to embrace the two-format future as it's indisputably best for everyone involved.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Then use names.