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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.
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Cosmic Bus
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distantmantra said:
Optimum is releasing Pan's on both formats in the UK come November with, obviously, English subs.
Cosmic Bus
pristine morning snow
A couple more interesting articles from Business Edge and the Economist.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Uh-oh, you linked to a Rob Enderle article.
Just look at my tag and put your flame suit on.
Just look at my tag and put your flame suit on.
Cosmic Bus
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I don't know who he is. Oh well.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I didn't know either, but that didn't matter to the tag-makers.
OokieSpookie
Banned
What the fuck is this shit?
Not "Blu Ray exclusive studios and Hd exclusive studios should start releasing on the other formats.
No, how fucking biased and one sided is that shit.
Christoff Yurievich
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he's talking pre-150 million i.e. comparing Universal to Fox, Disney, and SonyOokieSpookie said:
lol @ Sony HD-DVD) . At least, I hope that's what he's talking about.Zombie James
Banned
The spin from the HD-DVD side is getting so very, very sad.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
That's about 58/42 hardware split, which is pretty close to the SI software margin that so many here brag about incessantly.
Someone is bitter. What does it matter what the hardware split is when its obvious a decent percentage of people are using their PS3s for blu-ray movies.VanMardigan said:
And whats this years software split something like 67:33?
I want to make a second account just to quote myself so he has to read it. :lol
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
What does it matter what the hardware split is when its obvious a decent percentage of people are using their PS3s for blu-ray movies.
I don't see what changing the goalpost (bringing in the Ps3 for a standalone conversation) has to do with what I said. The person I was responding to was quoting standalone numbers and that's what I addressed. Hopefully no one else quotes you, since it's obvious you lack debating skills and must resort to the "bitter" attacks. Which is a big reason why you're on my ignore in the first place.
I don't see what changing the goalpost (bringing in the Ps3 for a standalone conversation) has to do with what I said. The person I was responding to was quoting standalone numbers and that's what I addressed. Hopefully no one else quotes you, since it's obvious you lack debating skills and must resort to the "bitter" attacks. Which is a big reason why you're on my ignore in the first place.
No, it was just the way you you said "the hardware split is X which is pretty close to the SI software numbers which everyone here likes to brag about" that came off as bitter.VanMardigan said:
And just admit it you put me on ignore because you cant control your own temper and instead of owning up to it you choose to go Mel Gibson conspiracy theory on us saying the admins are out to get you because your an HD DVD guy. Even though there are many HD DVD supporters here who have not been banned for posting in this thread.
At least when i have been banned i know full well i deserved it, learned my lesson and moved on.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
djkimothy said:
Maybe so, but then what? Is every counterpoint going to be a "bitter tears" crap post?
I know you cant read this but what the hell.VanMardigan said:
So its ok when bitter is used to describe blu-ray people but not when its applied to hd dvd people?
And even beyond that, i almost never use the word bitter and dont think i have ever said "bitter tears" on gaf.
So I FINALLY got Flags of our Fathers on Blu-ray from zip.ca and I thought it was a pretty good movie. The message seemed a bit forced with the "i'm no hero" mantra. But I see where it's coming from and is definitely a well done film. No I'm convinced I have to pick it up, haven't yet, to compliment Letters. I hope BestBuy still has it in stock.
Saw it in stock at Virgin megastore at downtown disney but it was at full $40.00 USD price. No bloody way.!
Saw it in stock at Virgin megastore at downtown disney but it was at full $40.00 USD price. No bloody way.!
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I thought Letters was a better movie in every way. I even thought Letters looked and sounded better. I wasn't feeling the main characters on Flags. And the storyline was mostly uninteresting, aside from the whole "real story of the flag lifting" angle.
VanMardigan said:
I agree with your assessment. I like Letters a lot better. The characters were more refined I found. Plus the soundtrack was awesome, bought it the day after I saw the film. I just want Flags to compliment Letters. I like how if you watch Letters first, it revisits some scenes. Well, just the "grenade" scene actually.
And apparently the sound was better on Letters because it had a TrueHD track. Some would say...
Banjo Tango
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When will we know about their region encoding? (Please be region free!)Hotarubi said:
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Hotuabi: Rob Enderle is a paid Microsoft marketing consultant. It's been mentioned here several times. And, for some reason, people who are throwing around "shill" and "viral" all the time (Mana especially) seem to turn a blind eye toward him.
He's famous for predictions that don't come true-- mostly about Apple, (did you know Zune was set to topple iPod last Christmas?) but also has been talking about how HD-DVD is winning ever since the PS3 came out, and maybe before. (Although he lists Sony as a client, and may have been pro-Blu for a while.... hmmmm....). Anyway, nothing he writes is worth reading, it's so distorted.
Changing topic: Again, the "standalone" arguement comes out when HD DVD has nothing else to stand on. As long as BluRay player prices are near PS3 prices, the dedicated (not "standalone") sales are going to be artifically deflated, since one can get a game machine AND a BluRay player for not much more than a BluRay player. Given the early-adoptrer demographic, there's likely to be a lot of overlap between people interested in games and HD movies. Even the HD group's own (presumably slanted as much as possible) numbers put about 8 PS3's equallying one dedicated player in terms of software sales... that adds a few hundred thousand to the BluRay side and paints a more accurate picture.
Of course, the number of players sold only matter to studios in so much as how much software they sell, and BluRay is winning that fight handily. CE companies already prefer BluRay, probably because they aren't being undercut by Toshiba.
He's famous for predictions that don't come true-- mostly about Apple, (did you know Zune was set to topple iPod last Christmas?) but also has been talking about how HD-DVD is winning ever since the PS3 came out, and maybe before. (Although he lists Sony as a client, and may have been pro-Blu for a while.... hmmmm....). Anyway, nothing he writes is worth reading, it's so distorted.
Changing topic: Again, the "standalone" arguement comes out when HD DVD has nothing else to stand on. As long as BluRay player prices are near PS3 prices, the dedicated (not "standalone") sales are going to be artifically deflated, since one can get a game machine AND a BluRay player for not much more than a BluRay player. Given the early-adoptrer demographic, there's likely to be a lot of overlap between people interested in games and HD movies. Even the HD group's own (presumably slanted as much as possible) numbers put about 8 PS3's equallying one dedicated player in terms of software sales... that adds a few hundred thousand to the BluRay side and paints a more accurate picture.
Of course, the number of players sold only matter to studios in so much as how much software they sell, and BluRay is winning that fight handily. CE companies already prefer BluRay, probably because they aren't being undercut by Toshiba.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I like the argument:
So, Blu Ray standalone player sales lag because Sony's Ps3 is a much better value than the CE standalone alternatives.
YET despite that, CE companies are glad to be on the Blu Ray camp because they don't have to worry about Toshiba.
:lol
So, Blu Ray standalone player sales lag because Sony's Ps3 is a much better value than the CE standalone alternatives.
YET despite that, CE companies are glad to be on the Blu Ray camp because they don't have to worry about Toshiba.
:lol
High-Def Digest posted this:
http://amazon.highdefdigest.com/history.aspx
Pretty cool graphing feature.
http://amazon.highdefdigest.com/history.aspx
Pretty cool graphing feature.
The thing is standalone blu-ray players HAVE to take off. PS3 is a niche system this generation and can't sustain a video format on it's own (not saying HD-DVD can either). Even if PS3 was the market leader it is not enough. PS2 sales were only a fraction compared to standalone DVD player sales.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Cheebs said:
Cross your fingers if you're a Blu Ray fan.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Cheebs said:
I agree. They're likely to, as prices come down. I believe HD DVD would have taken off if not for the gimped studio support (which is why the Paramount deal pisses me off). CE companies seem to believe in BluRay, making me think that they muct believe that there's enough profit margin and future growth opportunities (even with the PS3 in the picture).
The only justifiable reason for discounting PS3 numbers is that they're devastating to the HD-DVD talking points.
BTW, coming out of the recent UK hardware show, it seems pretty damn clear that Blu-Ray has the majority support of hardware manufacturers (that Hitachi camcorder is sick) in addition to their well-publicized studio support. I think the next big battle will be on the PC side. Getting next-gen drives into offices is just as important as getting them into the living room. Now that Dell, HP, Acer, and Apple are on the BDA that looks like a lock for Blu-Ray as well.
BTW, coming out of the recent UK hardware show, it seems pretty damn clear that Blu-Ray has the majority support of hardware manufacturers (that Hitachi camcorder is sick) in addition to their well-publicized studio support. I think the next big battle will be on the PC side. Getting next-gen drives into offices is just as important as getting them into the living room. Now that Dell, HP, Acer, and Apple are on the BDA that looks like a lock for Blu-Ray as well.
I am interested in how the PC side of things will turn out. Obivously with Apple they can use it without any trouble (I think it will probably be in the next Mac Pro but will be a while for both the iMac and the Macbook Pro) but with MS siding with HD DVD and some hardware companies being Blu Ray only (namely Dell) isn't this going to cause a problem on the Windows side of the business?
VanMardigan
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theBishop said:
HP and Acer are making HD DVD drives as well. Toshiba is, of course, packing HD DVD drives in every laptop they sell this holiday and next year.
Cheebs said:
I don't see why they wouldn't. The biggest drawback for standalone BD players (and the biggest advantage for HD DVD) is price. What the PS3 does is neutralize the price issue when millions of gamers already have a BD player when they buy a PS3. It allowed the format to succeed even when players costed $1200 - more then 2x the price of HD DVD at launch.
Now the pricing play field is much closer and will continue to close until the price difference is almost insignificant. That's when content comes into play.
No Blu-ray supporter will say that the PS3 should be the leading BD player now and forwever, only that it lit a fire under the format when it was needed and when standalones drop in price the PS3 will fall back and let them rule the market ala DVD.
jjasper said:
I doubt it. Window's existing built-in support for cd/dvd burning is already pretty terrible. If Blu-Ray drives still use ATAPI drivers, its a bit like questioning Windows' USB thumbdrive support. It'll work just fine, but you'll need 3rd party software to get the most out of it.
HocusPocus
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Petrarca said:
This thread is more balanced now, but for a long time there it was a circle jerk for Blu-Ray. If you don't agree with that then you're a bit biased yourself. A few of the mods joined in with that, but most didn't.
theBishop said:
Except then you're NOT talking about the same audience.
YES, there is overlap among PS3 buyers between gamers and movie enthusiasts. However, gamers are still the primary audience and that demographic (predominantly male, ages 14-36, with a penchant for action movies) isn't broad enough to sustain a movie format.
So Blu-ray needs to get more standalones out there. If they can do that before Toshiba makes sufficient inroads, they're good to go.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Anybody picking up any HD discs today? Kind of a paltry week. Where is hotarubi and his complete release thread?
Blu-ray
* Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City (Sony BMG)
* Delta Farce (Lionsgate)
* Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fourth Season (Warner)
* Remember the Titans (Buena Vista)
HD DVD
* Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fourth Season (Warner)
Blu-ray
* Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City (Sony BMG)
* Delta Farce (Lionsgate)
* Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fourth Season (Warner)
* Remember the Titans (Buena Vista)
HD DVD
* Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fourth Season (Warner)
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
I didn't know you had an HD DVD player.
My wife rented it, but I didn't watch anything past the intro and that looked pretty good.
My wife rented it, but I didn't watch anything past the intro and that looked pretty good.
Kolgar said:
First of all, don't make a generalization about "gamers". When supposedly 1 in 3 US households owns a PS2, there is no generalization to be made about what makes a "gamer".
Second, a quick search of google will turn up dozens of PS3 reviews as a blu-ray player, and stacking up favorably to standalone players. Even if a blu-ray owner has no interest in games, the PS3 should still be a consideration.
I don't disagree that more standalone players would be good for the format. But if CE makers can't make them cheaper than the PS3, there's not much reason to buy one. DLNA alone is enough of a reason to buy the PS3 over any other Blu-Ray player.
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