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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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thaivo

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neojubei said:
Why do some people here downplay the ps3 as a factor in the HD war, but go to lengths to promote the crap out of the HD-DVD add on to the 360?
The main reasoning is that anyone who purchases an HD DVD add on for the 360 is obviously looking to also watch HD movies. This is understandable because there's no point in buying the add on otherwise. Note, it can be used on a PC, but even then, it is for movies.

The same may not be the true with the PS3, as not all PS3 owners are intending to buy BD movies.

I don't know anyone that seriously downplays the importantance of the PS3, as it is the primary reason why BD media outsells HD DVD media. Without the PS3, sales ratios would be likely reversed.

The only discounting of the PS3 that exists is the fact that stand alone units are preferred by most non-gamers, and the fact that ultimately stand alone units will determine the winner of the format war.
 

Kolgar

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neojubei said:
Why do some people here downplay the ps3 as a factor in the HD war, but go to lengths to promote the crap out of the HD-DVD add on to the 360?

Old argument. The 360 add-on, like any standalone player, is bought for one purpose and one purpose only: to play HD DVD movies. The PS3, on the other hand, can be purchased for a variety of reasons, and may or may not be used to watch BD movies.
 

Kleegamefan

K. LEE GAIDEN
Looks like Dave Mathews BD has reference AQ/PQ(5 stars each)

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/964/davematthews_liveatradiocity.html

The Video: Sizing Up the Picture

Sony BMG has certainly rolled out the red carpet for 'Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City,' giving the release the two-disc treatment. The entire 168-minute show is included on the first disc, which is BD-50 dual-layer, while the supplements get a second platter all their own. The generous treatment really pays off, as this 1080p/VC-1 encode looks terrific.

'Live at Radio City' was quite an elaborately-filmed event, captured with nine high-def cameras. It's top tier when it comes to shot-on-HD source material, with fantastic clarity and detail to the image. From close-ups to wide shots, the image is always razor sharp, and depth is palpable. Color reproduction is perfect, with the vibrant but restrained lighting washing the stage in warm oranges and reds, and more striking purples and blues. Hues never falter, with no noise or other impurities. Blacks and contrast are also spot-on -- the presentation looks slick and glossy but still natural, while shadow delineation is top drawer. There are also no compression artifacts to speak of. Dave Matthews fans rejoice -- this is a first-class, five-star transfer.

The Audio: Rating the Sound

As great as the video is, the audio is perhaps even more impressive. Sony BMG offers an uncompressed PCM 2.0 Stereo mix (48kHz/24-bit), and -- in a first for the music label -- a Dolby TrueHD 5.1 Surround track at a hefty 96kHz/24-bit[EDIT sound bitrate is ~7mbps...nearly as much as an entire SACD or DVD-Audio disk!!!]. As terrific as the PCM track is, I have to give the TrueHD mix the nod -- simply put, it's pitch perfect. (Note there is also a Dolby Digital 5.1 mix at a lowly 640kbps, but why would you want to listen to that?)

What dazzles the most is the transparent clarity of the presentation. The amazing, diverse sounds Dave Matthews and particularly Tim Reynolds are able to create with just a pair of acoustic guitars (and a few foot pedal-fueled effects) are as breathtaking as the sense of realism and purity to the TrueHD track. It truly feels as if sounds are simply hanging in the air, floating dreamlike, rather than emanating from a set of speakers. I couldn't even pinpoint their location in the soundfield, so transparent is the effect of one expansive wall of sound from the front stage, just as it would be if you were at the show yourself. Dynamics are terrific, too -- from the ultra-tight low tones with the warm, spacious highs, this is as good as it gets. The concert is also expertly balanced, with Matthews' vocals crystal clear and never fighting for dominance with the instrumentation or the crowd.

In comparing the discs two showcase tracks, in terms of envelopment there's surprisingly little perceivable difference between the PCM 2.0 Stereo and the TrueHD 5.1 Surround tracks. Perhaps its because the crowd is so subdued during this quiet show that the mix is almost entirely front and center. Having said that, I would still choose the TrueHD track, because its higher bitrate pays noticeable dividends in sounds quality. To be sure, neither track is a slouch, but the TrueHD is without a doubt the best audio presentation I've yet heard on a next-gen release. I mean it -- it's that good.
 

thaivo

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lupin23rd said:
You mean other than the whole HD-DVD consortium? :lol

:D At least they count every PS3 sale when figuring out the attach ratio.
I can't speak for them, but as far as I know, they've actually been saying that the only reason BD is ahead in software sales is the PS3. So that would mean that they feel that it has been quite important to the BD side. :lol
 

neojubei

Will drop pants for Sony.
thaivo said:
:D At least they count every PS3 sale when figuring out the attach ratio.
I can't speak for them, but as far as I know, they've actually been saying that the only reason BD is ahead in software sales is the PS3. So that would mean that they feel that it has been quite important to the BD side. :lol


I would say so because 300 BD sold more than the hd-dvd because of the PS3 crowd.
 

thaivo

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neojubei said:
I would say so because 300 BD sold more than the hd-dvd because of the PS3 crowd.
It did perfectly fit the PS3 demographic, but then again so does Ghost Rider (bleh). :D

After watching it a couple of times though, I don't think I'll watch it nearly as much as my other HD DVD's that aren't as spectacular in effects like Goodfellas, Eternal Sunshine OTSM.
 

neojubei

Will drop pants for Sony.
So what is so different with the unrated version of Live Free or Die Hard? Will it add more profanity or nudity or 10 extra mins of someone dying?
 
neojubei said:
So what is so different with the unrated version of Live Free or Die Hard? Will it add more profanity or nudity or 10 extra mins of someone dying?

Most 'unrated' versions these days are very misleading.
It used to be so easy, when you saw 'unrated' you knew you were getting some nudity, maybe some more f'bombs, and some blood.
Now all it means is that it contains some footage that was not in the cut screened for the ratings board.
It could be nudity or it could be a pan shot of a garbage can.
I kind of prefer the term extended cut, or director's cut since they are far less misleading.
 
neojubei said:
So what is so different with the unrated version of Live Free or Die Hard? Will it add more profanity or nudity or 10 extra mins of someone dying?

Did'nt they hire someone to add in more digital gore effects?


Fox loses a sale if its only PG-13.
 

Zen

Banned
neojubei said:
I would say so because 300 BD sold more than the hd-dvd because of the PS3 crowd.

I nevber bought the "300 is a movie more tailored to the BR/PS3 crowd" when you have the HD-DVD 360 addon having sold more then the stand alone players have to date.
 
Rabid Wolverine said:
Did'nt they hire someone to add in more digital gore effects?


Yeah, they did. The theatrical version also had a handful of really obvious cuts around violence and dialog (probably to hide swearing lip flap) that was really distracting. Hopefully that's fixed up in the unrated version.
 
diehards.jpg


From DVD Active. Sure looks like it says UNRATED to me.
 
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pocketli/20070831/ttc-ifa-2007-toshiba-developing-gesture-57dbc65.html

At the IFA 2007 exhibition we had a quick hands-on with Toshiba's prototype gesture recognition technology.

Nintendo and Sony Ericsson clearly aren't the only ones getting involved in motion sensing madness, as Toshiba has developed a system for your laptop that recognises gestures.

Demoed on a Qosmio laptop, the system can recognise hand movements and convert them into commands for the built-in HD DVD player.


The controls work through the laptop's cam, with an in-picture image of you displayed on the demo laptop.

With a flat palm you can pause the video, whereas your fist, picked up by the camera and is shown in a small box where you then gesture "touch" the fast forward, rewind, etc, options on screen.

It worked fine in the demo we had, although whether this exact version of the technology would work in the real world is a matter of opinion.

What is exciting is that Toshiba is working on such a system, that would presumably be available eventually on stand-alone DVD players.
 

SRG01

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Cold-Steel said:
One could hope for blood, swearing, and the gorgeous Maggie Q naked.

Sorry for derailing the topic, but the ABC/CBC (***-Born Chinese) community has plenty of gorgeous Chinese women. :lol One merely has to see it to believe it.


I know of one girl who almost looks exactly like Maggie Q at various angles :D
 

XMonkey

lacks enthusiasm.
thaivo said:
The only discounting of the PS3 that exists is the fact that stand alone units are preferred by most non-gamers, and the fact that ultimately stand alone units will determine the winner of the format war.

lol?
 
Okay guys, why the hell is Royal Space Force: Wings of Honneamise so friggin' expensive?

It's $76 CDN on Best Buy and Future Shop's sites and $56 US on Amazon.com (couldn't find it listed on Amazon.ca at all).

I was thinking up picking it up, but not at that INSANE price. What the hell?
 

Aaron

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ThirstyFly said:
Okay guys, why the hell is Royal Space Force: Wings of Honneamise so friggin' expensive?

It's $76 CDN on Best Buy and Future Shop's sites and $56 US on Amazon.com (couldn't find it listed on Amazon.ca at all).

I was thinking up picking it up, but not at that INSANE price. What the hell?
Because Bandai is insane, and charging full Japanese prices overseas.
 
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/253188

Q. And finally, are you optimistic about the future of movies? Will the greatest 20th-century art form last much longer into the 21st century?

A. "Is that a typo? Did you mean 22nd? The art form will endure, in more technical forms that ever. I'm looking forward to testing HiDef and Blu Ray DVDs, but I'm damned if I'll buy a machine until they settle their war. Why does Sony always seem to have the best format, and get bullied?"
 

Wulfer

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Onix said:
Sony/BMG title using VC-1 ... lol

Ohhh O, will you guys be able to buy Blu-ray disc's now knowing your putting money in Microsoft's pocket?

"Dogs and cats sleeping together, mass hysteria." :lol
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions

Oni Jazar

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WULFER said:
Ohhh O, will you guys be able to buy Blu-ray disc's now knowing your putting money in Microsoft's pocket?

WULFER you've done nothing but throw shit around in this thread. Unlike some people here bd supporters aren't in it to be pro-Sony or anti-MS we want one unified format.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Oni Jazar said:
Unlike some people here bd supporters aren't in it to be pro-Sony or anti-MS we want one unified format.

ppppffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

Dude please, there's console fanboyism all over, and definitely on the Blu Ray side, where EVERYBODY owns a Ps3.
 

Xater

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I just hate it that in Germany Disney has the rights to Die hard 3 and so far they didn't announce a release :(

I am not sure if FOX has the rights in any country in Europe. I am not sure what the situation is in the UK.
 

djkimothy

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VanMardigan said:
ppppffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

Dude please, there's console fanboyism all over, and definitely on the Blu Ray side, where EVERYBODY owns a Ps3.

Despite the fact that I own a PS3. I would gladly support HDDVD if it had the studio support, mainly Disney. But it doesn't.
 
WULFER said:
Ohhh O, will you guys be able to buy Blu-ray disc's now knowing your putting money in Microsoft's pocket?

"Dogs and cats sleeping together, mass hysteria." :lol

I couldn't care less. I think you're projecting a little bit.

Actually, if VC1 is that good, then I'm actually happy.
 

Oni Jazar

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VanMardigan said:
ppppffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

Dude please, there's console fanboyism all over, and definitely on the Blu Ray side, where EVERYBODY owns a Ps3.

The reason why most BD owners own a PS3 right now is because it is by far the best player for the price. You not only get a BD player with great picture and lossless sound, you get an excellent upscalling DVD player, a DLNA media sharing client, a PS1 player, a PS2 player a PS3 player, a web browser & a Linux capable system.

Most of us wouldn't have been able to justify the expense in jumping into a stupid format war if it wasn't for the added value. That doesn't mean that we hate MS. OTOH people on this forum have specifically claimed animosity towards Sony.

Despite the fact that I own a PS3. I would gladly support HDDVD if it had the studio support, mainly Disney. But it doesn't.

Most of the regular BD posters here have said the same thing, myself included. It's not about the company it's about the war.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
So, I'm pretty pissed about the HDMI Xbox purchase. No hdmi cables, no digital audio cable. I had to run around all evening yesterday after work looking for hdmi cables that weren't $80 and up. I finally found a place that sold 3 feet cables for frickin $34.99. Then, I realized my component cable input is too fat to fit in along with the hdmi cable, so I can't get digital sound to my receiver. The elite comes packed with an output cable that's just for the optical out and fits in (I'm guessing) with an hdmi cable plugged in below.

So now I'm watching movies in 1080p, but with my tv speakers. :(
I don't even know what the digital audio cable is called, but I'm going to check Ebay for it.

As far as 1080p impressions on my new tv....................meh. I can definitely tell it's slightly sharper on the dashboard (like the buttons along the bottom), but otherwise it's a wash. My tv upconverted everything to 1080p anyway, so when I watched some HD DVD's, I didn't notice a night/day difference. Matter of fact, outside of a few scenes in Batman Begins that were really sharp, I didn't notice much difference at all. Stunning, of course, but not more so than 1080i component upconverted by my tv.

I'll keep messing around with the settings to see if I can improve the performance, but I was pretty satisfied anyway with the 1080i, just wanted to give 1080p a chance to see if it made a big difference or not.
 

Cosmic Bus

pristine morning snow
ThirstyFly said:
From DVD Active. Sure looks like it says UNRATED to me.

Au contraire...

High Def Digest said:
...despite earlier indications, it seems that although two (of the three) DVD editions will include the unrated edition, the Blu-ray will contain the PG-13 version of the film only. When asked about the discrepancy with the box art displayed on their own web site, the studio told us that the "unrated" box art is inaccurate, and that revised artwork will be revealed in the coming days.
 

Wulfer

Member
Oni Jazar said:
WULFER you've done nothing but throw shit around in this thread. Unlike some people here bd supporters aren't in it to be pro-Sony or anti-MS we want one unified format.

Oni, I really meant this as a joke. Some people take things on this board so seriously at times. I was trying to break the ice. Your response is a prime example.
 

nerbo

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From Gizmodo: LG Intros $999 BH200 Super Blu Combo HD Player

Realizing that Samsung's BD-UP5000 was going to give the original hybrid BH100 a run for its money, LG announced the more competitive BH200 Super Blu Player for watching both Blu-ray and HD DVD discs. It'll cost $999 when it ships in October, and will include support and features its predecessor sorely lacked.

According to reports, the BH200 will have HDi support, 1080p output at 60Hz and 1080p upscaling of standard DVDs. It will be able to play audio CDs, and go online for bonus HD DVD content. It can also access a full complement of Blu-ray interactive features—where available—such as BD-Live, Blu-View or Picture-in-Picture.
 

Cosmic Bus

pristine morning snow
VanMardigan said:
Hey, are you still going to post the dvd/bluray/hd dvd releases thread?

I posted this week's on Saturday (as usual), but I don't think it got a single reply this time around.
 
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